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I don’t like this. No opt out option for cookies.
Oh, how unexpected!
Apple is relying on an opt-in procedure: When activating Siri AI, the manufacturer asks for help in improving the chatbot, as developers with access to the release candidate of iOS 27 report.
The update will be released to the public on Monday, September 14.
You can either agree to this or press a visually inconspicuous “Not now” button. The dialog cannot be completely dismissed. Users can switch it off again after activation in “Settings > Analysis & Improvements”.
I really can’t stand the “Not now”, where “services” (including Google’s backup service) prey on the user accidentally agreeing one day.
I keep getting them on my tv asking permission to show me ads. “not now” buttons deserve to be outlawed by the EU. If they can expect me to turn it off in case I change my mind, I can be expected to turn it on in the same way. Not by hoping someone in my household accidentally click “Oh yes, please bombard me with capitalist bullshit, PLEASE!”
Settings > Privacy & Security > Analysis & Improvements > Improve Siri & Dictation
I’m jaded enough to expect that the “not now” or “no” button is secretly a “yes but make it look like the option is declined” button.
Ah, glad to see some people read the artcle
Apple being Apple, in the end.
Lol
We need smartphones that we can actually own and control. Root access with locked bootloader and good security.
After nokia N9 I got the Jolla phone. Then the Jolla C. Eventually as Jolla was struggling at the time my work e-mails did not work etc.
I had to make a choice between pest and cholera.
I chose apple as it was more privacy oriented at least in talks.
But if that “promise” flies also out of window…then what?
Does a phone that one can truly own and also works in corporate setting (sideload intune in a separate container) exists? Something that works with as litlle as possible tuning to make it work? Something that our IT department approves? Banking apps need to work.
I’m open for suggestions nevertheless I feel like we are prisoners in some sense.
I used to have a separate work phone but carrying two phones all the time got annoying after a couple of years.
I haven’t update my phone in a long time. I like how it keeps asking.
People need to learn that Apple is like all companies and treat consumer friendly actions like any other feature to add or cut when they think it is the best competitive advantage they have to play.
Can’t we just make this opt in??? I guess that’s the reason we don’t get Siri AI in the EU for now
It is opt in. Due to capitalism these sites have to resort to clickbait.
It’s opt in only with the not now option…
Source?
E: apparently it reads “not now” in the beta screens
The article doesn’t really misrepresent anything… Apple is indeed walking back their promise, and their doing it the T&Cs nobody reads, while doing “opt in” by forcing users to make a choice on this based on deceptive doublespeak.
Yep. They’re moving it to a request that you can’t say “No” to, only “Not now”. Eventually they’ll forego the request and just slap it into a “By using this device, you agree to…” statement.
Or they’ll just keep bothering the shit out of you until you agree. That’s what “not now” means in the Apple world.
Look I get that Apple bashing is popular on here, but that’s not what apple does.
The not now is only and annoyingly so, to nudge people to update or upgrade OS versions. License agreements are always agree or decline. And toggles are toggles. Once they are off they are of aand on remains on.
It would have been good to share this during the keynote too, I agree, but considering where they stand on consent and privacy vs the AI behemoths and meta or alphabet, they are still by far the lesser evil of most of Silicon Valley.
It’s exactly what they do. I have a house full of apple devices. There is no way to definitively say “stop” without accepting the prompt. And it has nothing to do with os versions or security updates.
Thanks for your “insight”
According to the article, it is opt-in but you have to of course trust the mega corporation at their word
Which means eventually its going to “accidentally” be opt out as a
bugfeature.Or they just do it anyway, easier to ask for forgiveness than permission, after all it’s only a .001% revenue fine if caught.
Hmm, i missed that Part. On second read it’s only opt in. I still thought they would do better, especially since they said all of their AI features would be privacy focused
Only opt-in …for now
Just never use Siri. It’s been available how long? I’ve always shut it off from the get-go. Also, I do not use my Apple ID to log in my computers.
Always use a local password for the hardware and just avoid the cloud like the plague.
FFS, I don’t even keep my music libraries in the default location, since all sorts of holy hell seems to arise (on my ancent systems anyhow) when I do.
This is like all things Apple - you just avoid the new shit, and step away from updating the OS until the first or second update drops because the first adopters are ALWAYS the actual beta testers.
Been that way since MacOS 7.
Exactly. I have always had Siri turned off, ever since my very first apple devices, and never had a reason to turn it on. Same with all the AI features. I don’t want them so I keep all AI options turned off, always.
I still have a couple devices on the cloud but only for shit I don’t actually care about, and whenever I get around to cleaning those up I’ll get rid of it there as well. Still on the original 5GB, too: I don’t believe in paying others to store my data when I can and should store it myself.
When it comes down to it I don’t even know why I started turning all that shit off, beyond the fact I found it annoying to speak twice (or more) when I could just quietly type once. I’m no prescient genius, but I am now very glad of whatever luddite instinct made me shut it all off, lol.
The only useful things I miss with Siri is starting timers when cooking, running quick match and conversions, and texting my wife that I’m on my way home when I forget to do it before starting to drive. All of those I can do without it, but I can’t deny was useful hands-free.
I turned it all off as even to this day, I use obsolete kit. My newest Mac is a 2010 MacBook Pro, running dosdude1’s unsupported Mojave, as I require the 32-bit support for my ancient copy of Photoshop CS3. Siri was a non-starter and I just brought that habit forward when I got my iPhone. I wouldn’t say it’s being a Luddite so much as it is making my machines run as quickly as they can with the OSes I installed. Gotta cut the telemetry and cloud shit out as much as possible.
Great minds think alike: I have a MBP only a few years younger running the exact same OS, but for CS5. I use old hardware for as long as I can keep it running. But yeah, all the bloat gets cut out or off, first thing. The MBP doesn’t even hit the wider net unless I specifically allow it, so it makes sense to turn off anything that is forever phoning home (aside from the CS5). It’s great having old machines like these around.
Indeed! Where I work just had some update fly on on the Windows PC that locked the kids out of getting in to it, even though I have it set up to be a direct login, it wanted a Microsoft account…
Oh hell no, local password only.
The initial install was the first release of Win 10 Pro so none of that online crap.
Had to get them to reboot the system to give that whole setup nonsense the slip.
It never happens with the systems we have running the older macOSes… which is perfect.
I’m in the process of trying to convince the CEO of pivoting to an open source office suite and away from MS entirely, so we can have universal compatibility regardless of the platform.
What MS has done to Orfice for Mac is a shitshow.
Gaben where is my steam phone ?
Out of stock
Having dicked around with Local LLMs, they do get better the more they learn about you. But going through what these things figure out is kind of horrifying.
Like looking into the training data they find out, they can infer a lot about you and your methodology and it is creepy. Like really creepy.
I’m not anti-AI by any means. I have a Local LLM Agent in my router to keep an eye on things in case anything fucks up and it’s pretty good as my little administrator, but still. It knows a lot about me to the point I had to catch myself to not fucking call it “he” or “they.” It’s an object but it’s an object with a frightening amount of info on me. I just wish the average populace had this level of think of what you are giving up.
If you’re not that techy… well first, what the fuck are you doing on Lemmy and on the Tech server? But then I want you to think about this. If someone stalked you for a week, what could they find out about you? How much do you think they would learn?
That is how these huge companies are and especially AI. They’re stalkers who manage to learn a lot about you by just observing you.
I’d argue llms know way more about you than a stalker because you ask them private questions, they analyze you. But the other thing too, this isn’t anything new since people post to social media all the time, it’s just a lot more invasive.
Also, if you couldn’t tell from my reply, I’m not a teche I just found myself here.
LLMs themselves don’t, but an external memory system that it reads/writes to might or if someone is reading the chats. But running LLMs locally can be very private.
Can I ask what your setup is?
It’s fucking shit. I went that “building your own router” thing but had no idea how to do it. I had an old Mac Mini lying around and so turned that into my router by flashing OPNsense on it and ran into issue after issue.
Here’s the biggest issue I had that I know some of you were thinking but I wasn’t at the time. OPNsense is built on FreeBSD, which lacks proper support for Apple shit, so the Mac got mad at me every time I tried to flash it. So then I got an idea. Built the router inside a VM in the Mac Mini!
Believe it or not, this actually all went pretty well of getting a vRouter inside of a mac computer and having the Local LLM, I uses Google Gemma tuned to Hermes running Ollama on it, but ran into an issue of the AI agent being painfully, agonizingly slow and revving up my tormented Mac Mini every fucking time I asked it to do anything.
This is because Apple bullshit. I am not qualified enough to answer that, I’m a help desk guy so 50% of the time I talk about IT stuff, I’m confidently bullshitting. Anyways, I got oLMX, gave the local AI agent my API kets to my Mac Mini vRouter, and any time I need anything I can just go into the Mac itself as a computer and talk to it.
I am still trying to find out how to do that thing where you like message the agent through some messaging app as that I have 0 idea how to do. Talking to it through Signal would make my life a lot easier, but sometimes you grow as a person when you reject convenience and make your own life harder.
Hahaha, that sounds like a painful experience, I spent a few years building Apple build systems for mobile games and I hated every minute of it.
Ive heard a few people say “just get a mac mini and run your llm there”, and I immediately nope out.
It sounds like you’re learning shit from it all, even if you’re bullshitting your way through it, some of this random knowledge will help you out later on in life.
In other news, experts say water is wet.
Aren’t the things IN water wet?
Stopped updating my iPhone 16 Pro in hopes of jailbreaking it one day, it would be nice to find a Linux phone as well someday with decent hardware.
Fairphone 6+
love my fairphone.
it’s a real bummer that graphene won’t work on it though. lineage does though, so there’s that.
Same here. The hardware is not bad but oh boy is the software the biggest pile of shit I’ve ever had to use. And I want to use my librem 5 (linux) phone but you need a stack of pokemon cards as batteries if you want it to last a day. They really should sell a charging deck for spare batteries so you can hot swap them.
Have a look at Volla Plinius.
Still figuring it out, camera software definitely lacking, waydroid support still in development xD But hey, I love this thing.
Reminder: Some models reported to regenerate stuff close to their training material in the right circumstances, could be seen as a kind of industrial espionage laundering.
