Yeah thats sort of what I was complaining about. We, as a group, don’t care enough to take collective action. I’m doing my thing, I’m not doing it because I think I’m going to save the world, I’m doing it because I think its the right thing. I’m not under the illusion that me or my friends can change the world. The point I was making (very badly), was that they are not interested in doing even the minimum, so theres absolutely no hope for getting any bigger changes done.
I’m kinda similar. I think it helps because you need to show people what a greener world would actually look like. The train is less intimidating if a coworker can answer all your questions.
We can get rid of all the data centers and everyday life would be pretty much the same. With cars it’s another story, and the average person has less imagination than you’re imagining.
Heating, cooling, and manufacturing represent a much bigger piece of the pie. I bike instead of drive when I can, but figuring out how to boost efficiency with heating and cooling will be a much bigger change if you are a home owner. Solar, geothermal, heat exchanger, improved insulation, etc. Its also something any homeowner can do with out relying on society to improve its own infrastructure.
I improve manufacturing efficiency for a living, but sometimes worry that we’re running into the Jevons paradox. The average person seems to unconsciously but correctly assume that the manufacturing sector can just deal with any environmental regulations.
I knew the concept but didn’t realize that’s what it is called. Similar to induced demand. It does highlight the need for cultural change, and policy change. But efficiency isn’t the only route, creating manufacturing processes that are renewable, and use renewable energy, is another route.
Hmm, yes, good point, about showing and answering questions.
When I was 15 to 28ish, I was the guy who was into cars, went everywhere with a car, heck, I had like 7 cars at one point. Now that I’m not that guy anymore, I find myself answering questions about getting rid of all the cars and stopping driving. A few people have gone “huh, I guess its not that bad” when I tell them how easy it is to go from spot A to B with a bus. I guess its a sort of “lead by example” kind of thing.
Yeah thats sort of what I was complaining about. We, as a group, don’t care enough to take collective action. I’m doing my thing, I’m not doing it because I think I’m going to save the world, I’m doing it because I think its the right thing. I’m not under the illusion that me or my friends can change the world. The point I was making (very badly), was that they are not interested in doing even the minimum, so theres absolutely no hope for getting any bigger changes done.
I’m kinda similar. I think it helps because you need to show people what a greener world would actually look like. The train is less intimidating if a coworker can answer all your questions.
We can get rid of all the data centers and everyday life would be pretty much the same. With cars it’s another story, and the average person has less imagination than you’re imagining.
Heating, cooling, and manufacturing represent a much bigger piece of the pie. I bike instead of drive when I can, but figuring out how to boost efficiency with heating and cooling will be a much bigger change if you are a home owner. Solar, geothermal, heat exchanger, improved insulation, etc. Its also something any homeowner can do with out relying on society to improve its own infrastructure.
I improve manufacturing efficiency for a living, but sometimes worry that we’re running into the Jevons paradox. The average person seems to unconsciously but correctly assume that the manufacturing sector can just deal with any environmental regulations.
I knew the concept but didn’t realize that’s what it is called. Similar to induced demand. It does highlight the need for cultural change, and policy change. But efficiency isn’t the only route, creating manufacturing processes that are renewable, and use renewable energy, is another route.
Hmm, yes, good point, about showing and answering questions.
When I was 15 to 28ish, I was the guy who was into cars, went everywhere with a car, heck, I had like 7 cars at one point. Now that I’m not that guy anymore, I find myself answering questions about getting rid of all the cars and stopping driving. A few people have gone “huh, I guess its not that bad” when I tell them how easy it is to go from spot A to B with a bus. I guess its a sort of “lead by example” kind of thing.