esla… How many new models were made since he got in?

None. But without Tesla you would not have neither all the other models from other car companies. Tesla just started it and demostrated that it is possible to produce an electric car with a decent look (and better that some ICE cars in my opinion) at a time when most of the electric cars done by other company were just some ugly proof of concept (excluding a very few cases) to show at this or that event.
And I read somewhere that what Musk wanted from Tesla was to set the stage, as far as I remember he said that it was ok if Tesla bankrupt after setting the stage.

SpaceX? They got billions to get us to Mars. They never go beyond the super easy part in rocketry, low earth orbit. Anything beyond that is where shit gets really hard and we’re still waiting. All I saw was billions of tax dollars wasted in blown up rocket after blown up rocket and SpaceX cheering nluke idiots over a blown up banana.

Considering that everyone else was not able to do even that, I would not call SpaceX a failure. And it is not that NASA did not have its fair number or launch failures, tbh.
You talk about beyond low earth orbit like something way harder, but it not really true. SpaceX put a Tesla in a orbit beyond Mars with a Falcon heavy some years ago, and they still have (and use) the Falcon Heavy.

Hell, they obliterated a launchpad because btgey were dumb enough to not understand flame diverters…

True but they were trying to launch a rocket that nobody else even tried to build. I would say it is fair that they make some mistakes.

Colonizing the bottom of the ocean would be orders of magnitude easier. Or the South Pole. Or Kīlauea’s open lava pit.

While it is true that you have different sets of problems to solve, nope, they are only cheaper to get to, not necessary easier to colonize, except maybe the South Pole where you just need to build something that only need to withstand the cold, which is easy enough and you could go outside without a space suite or something similar.

The problem with colonizing Mars is the cost, which have as a consequence the cost of everything you send to that place.

But in the end I think that we already have all the basic blocks for a base on Mars (or the Moon) and what it is stopping us is the cost of putting everything together and send it.
We already know how to build isolated environments that can must stay sealed for month or years (subs and International Space Station), we already know how to recycle things like air and water, we already know how to produce vegetables in cramped spaces and with low or no exposure to the sun (think of every weed farm inside houses ;-) ) and minimal water needs, we already know how to develop and deploy complex industrial control systems and so on.

The problem of kmail is the underlying subsystem that is evertything other than stable.

Yeah, the AI absolutely is a problem.

AI is noto a problemi by itself, the problemi is that most of the people who make decisions in the workplace about these things do not understand what they are talking about and even less what something is capable of.

My impression is that AI now is what blockchain was some years ago, the solution to every problemi,which was of course false.

And the news is what, exactly ?

I get the hate for Musk and as a consequence for Tesla, but it is not that other do not recall anything…

Which ones aren’t? Also deciding to copy dumb ideas from elsewhere is even more dumb as someone else did the alpha testing for you, showed it was dumb, and you still copied it.

You don’t copy because you think it is a good idea, you copy because everyone did the same thing. If everyone start putting touch button on cars and you not, you will be seen as old. Even if the idea is stupid, it is the hot new idea of the day. Also putting touch screen is cheaper to build and update since in the end the physical button just send a signal to one of the various ECUs on the car anyway.

Buttons for indicators I know are on modern ferraris, I can’t afford one but I still wouldn’t buy one because of them.

Leaving Ferraris aside, it is not that a button as indicators is always a bad idea. What is a stupid idea is to put a touch button without tactile feedback, so you need to look to see if you have pressed it or not.

Try using buttons on a steering wheel when doing a right at a roundabout, just the dumbest shit.

Well, my Renault has some buttons on the steering wheel and it do not seems too bad to use them while driving, I find very convenient to be able to control something without moving my hands from it (ok, they are not touch button).
A car I drove some months ago had double commands: touch ones and physical buttons. Not bad as choice.

Couple that with some truly dumb design ideas from Elon (no lidar, no physical buttons, indicators as buttons, stupidly high repair bills due to design choices) and some even more stupid personal behaviors from him and he has just cut the legs out of his market.

Well, some of these dumb design ideas are not really from Elon and it is not that other car manufacturer are too much different…

I agree.
The point is how much subsidies they receive. Chinese automakers seems to get way more (up to 30% if not more of the cost) than Tesla. That way it is easy to win on competitors.

BTW, the 30% is not a personal educated guest, it is the estimated figure given by a very trustworthy economic journal which did an investigation and discovered that that some chinese automaker could probably absorb a 30% tariffs without changing the selling price.

The problem is that Chinese EVs builder are heavily subsidized from the state and Tesla not (or not to that amount). Also a Tesla has a tag price that put it in the medium-high range, and it is obvious that the biggest market is for low-medium range priced car.

They’re right! They shouldn’t be responsible for products sold by third parties. If I go to Walmart and buy something, I shouldn’t be allowed to seek remedy from Amazon.

I don’t disagree but there is a point that should be considered: Amazon probably get a percentage from the sell, so it earn money even from third parties.

Now, I don’t think that Amazon has any responsability about recalling or any other remedy options, but they should at least forced to put a warning on the product page saying that the product is recalled or whatever it is. Even only sending a e-mail to every buyer is good (and Amazon obviously know who buy a product), then it is the buyer that will decide what to do.

You are correct on many of those points. But lets look for edge cases - people living in apartments, they can’t charge their cars when there are no garages, so they need to do what normal people do with gas cars - go to the gas station to charge.

That’s a problem, I agree, but you don’t design a new car model around edge cases.

So if you have a 600 miles car and drive 35 miles per day that’s enough to supercharge once per week for 30+ minutes and be good for the rest of the week - good for the battery, good for wait times, good for not pissing off the person buying the car as they don’t have to waste multiple hours per week.

True.

If your point is that it’s inneficient to carry heavy batteries around I would agree, but isn’t it less efficient to use gas, to have 2 cars instead of 1, to have to rent a car, etc. I think it balances out and with new battery technology you’ll see that they’ll start competing more fiercely with range, but there is a sweet spot and I think it’s 600 miles, if the battery drain is not affected by cold/hot weather 360 miles would be a good sweetspot.

Again, it depend on the target market. In EU it was relatively common to have 2 cars: a small one for the day by day commute (where other options are not available) and other tasks like taking the kids to/from school, small trip to the grocery store and so on, and a bigger one for the long travel.

It is still true outside the big cities, where services maybe are not that near and normally there are very few options for public transportation. And I don’t think that having a small car for the day by day and rent a bigger one for longer trip is really that bad.

Also, consider that often a really big car it not an option in places where street are really narrow to the point you are forced to buy small car (common outside most of the big cities)

I hope the market appreciates this new model, but highly doubt it - most of the other things I suggested in the original post also affect if the buyer would decide to spend their money on the car. I don’t think it’s unrealistic for VW/Audi to make something like this at a competitive price of $120k - same as the starting price for a BMW M5.

I think you are out of price range. I don’t know is US (given the use of dollars), but in EU a 120K car is not a common car, I mean, the big cars like the Renault Espace are in the range of 50/70 k, a 120K car is an entry level luxury car here.

The problem is that the battery degrades, so it’s a good idea to keep it charges to 60-80% so that it last way longer. If you have 600 miles of max range then that means you can easily have 360-480 miles for your driving. This is overkill as well right ? Wrong, if you live in a cold climate it practically gets halved so now you have 180-240 miles of driving.

Fine, but you still fail to look how the car is used. A battery that big also mean more weight (and thus more energy needed) and it can make sense if you use the car almost always for longer trips. For shorter drive it make more sense to have a smaller battery and recharge more often.,

Let’s say it’s summer though, now you want to drive 600 miles to your nearest ocean/sea and want to sightsee along the way.

Here you fail to consider the target market. EU and US are very different geographically. In US a car with bigger batteries can make sense, in EU probably not that much.
VW simply design a car for the market where they want to sell it, which make sense in my opinion.

With a battery that big you might have to charge once and not even fully to have enough confidence driving to places where charging might be limited.

That would be a problem anyway, with limited charging options you could arrive at the sea but then have problem returning home (but this is a problem that is slowly going away)

That’s why smaller batteries make sense only if you use the car for daily commuting, now you need to rent or buy a proper long range gas car or ev car - which now costs you quite a bit more or adds inconvenience. With tesla the problem is almost solved, but they have problematic political views and minimalistic interiors and a max battery of 402 miles. So yeah I think it’s worth it to make a car that costs 3x what VW are pushing, but is useful to everybody.

I don’t know how may miles you need to drive for your daily commute that need to have such big battery but in the supposed target market of the VW even a 180 miles battery can easily cover your weekly commuting.

So yes, you are right that a bigger battery is usefull but it really depend on where you plan to sell your car. Not everywhere you need that kind of mileage daily and you need also to consider other factors like the weight and size of the car.

I don’t get thesr automakers, who is this made for, don’t they see that tesla is killing it with their largr batteries.

It is made for people living in places where you maybe don’t need to drive 50 miles to go to the nearest mall… a car with 600 miles autonomy would be an overkill if you just need to drive about 10/20 miles a day while commuting.

Why can’t they put a 600miles battery

because they are useless for the target market.
If you don’t need to drive that long distance for everything, you don’t need big batteries with all the associate problems (weight, dimension and so on) that in the end don’t give you any real bonus if not the fact that maybe you can recharge it less often.

If there was justice then Elon would get spacex yanked away from him or shutdown.

If there were justice, Boeing would be bankrupt.

The plan was always for spacex to rescue them, but for some reason it couldn’t be done until early this year. Something about the launch schedule.

Yep, because sending a ship to the ISS is like calling an Uber to get you home, right…
Of course the plan was always for SpaceX to rescue them, they are the only ones that have the capability and a working ship. But that does not means that they can cram another unscheduled launch with such short notice on top of the schedule they already have.

Now for him to claim that the astronauts were abandoned by the previous administration while saying they can’t be rescued yet says either maliciousness or incompetence.

To be honest, that is what I was reading from the start of this story basically everywere, it is not that Musk said something no one ever said.

So, I get the you dislike Musk, but accusing him for not readily solve a problem created by the incompetence of others (Boeing) does not seems that fair.

The problem is: why do you need to talk about these arguments in a game subreddit ? Or in any other place not dedicated to these arguments ?

Yes, if you sign up to be a mod, you are signing up to moderate. That includes dealing with whatever hate falls into your community.

Just keep in mind that “dealing” can also mean “nuke everything off topic”.

I get the hate for Musk, but honestly the SLS program should have been already terminated. It has not yet delivered anything, it is overbudget of orders of magnitude, and even if it will deliver something, it will be orders of magnitude more expensive.

I get what you’re saying but the forgetful customer is explicitly what they said they want, which is dumb any way you look at it.

I don’t disagree on that.

Many times you’re forced into signing up for subscription, or coerced under the guise of a free trial. Now this wouldn’t be as bad if they came back and were like, “hey we see you haven’t used our service in a while, do you still need it?”

Maybe, but at this point I doubt that a forgetful customer would pay attention to it. What would really make the difference would be to renew the subscription explicitly. This way you could be forced to sign for a false free trial, but you would also need to confirm a subsequent subscription.

rather than just leeching money from the user. The system is designed to purposely allow the user to make these errors and that’s wrong any way you want to shape it.

Yes, this is another way to see it. But the solution in my opinion is not to eliminate the concept of subscriptions. The solution is to educate the customer.

Fine, but this is on the buyer not on the seller.
I mean, if you buy a subscription to something and then don’t use it (or forgot to cancel while not using it) is not really a seller fail: you would have wasted your money even you’d have bought it without a subscription.

I get subscriptions are (mostly) bad, but it is not always a seller fault and the buyer should be aware of what he is doing or spending money.

and then simulating all the toolpaths to be able to export the G code for a CNC machine. I don’t know how much of what I saw is smoke and mirrors, but even if that is a stretch goal it is quite significant.

<sarcasm> Damn, I ascended to become an AI and I didn’t realise it. </sarcasm>