they literally gave Gaza back

The UN said israel didn’t

palestinians could have created a paradise for themselves, working with Egypt and setting up economic trade routes and business

Israel could have not occupy Palestine is 67 and not continuing to build illegal settlements to live in peace

I will also repeat occupation is illegal no matter what your pretext is, illegal settlements is illegal no matter what your pretext is, raping and torturing Palestinians in jail is illegal, collective punishment is illegal but you are a savage who support Zionist extremism but you dare calling me an Islamist terrorist supporter with no proof , you such a peace of human trash

Cool, call your friends in Iran, Qatar, UAE, Dubai, or any other trillion dollar petrostate and they can take them, problem solved, no more terrorist attacks on Israel and palestinians can be free and happy

Or a better idea the USA and Germany can take all Israelis to their countries. You also know that during world wars the west didn’t want jews so they threw them in Israel

When two sides are equally strong they have more chance to be forced to discuss and each side to do some concessions. That’s the appeal of multipolarity

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lost all focus of the original intention: to escape persecution.

They could have escaped percussion and live as normal citizens of Palestine but no the plan of Herzl was always to impose a state and displace the local population

Herzl’s Diary, 12 June 1895

The property owners will come over to our side. According to my conception, the majority of the local population will have to be transferred elsewhere.

We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it any employment in our own country. - Herzl’s Diary, 12 June 1895

Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly - Herzl’s Diary, 12 June 1895

Nazi was quickly in position of power so they was able to execute their plan very fast at first Nazism exclusion, discrimination, and the removal of Jews from German society then the final solution and the holocaust . Zionism needed more time to do it. Now in 2025 we are in the final stage of Zionism , the complete eradication of Palestinians in Gaza and slowly continuing eating the west bank

The Nazis were doing mass shooting, the IDF did mass shooting and mass bombing. Both the Nazis and the idf are starving people. The Nazis used gas chambers, the idf is shooting at people seeking aids with the new terrorist organization claiming to be an aid organization.

I am not saying both are equally the same and that the genocide in Gaza is worse than the holocaust but i think it is still fair to compare both rhetoric and methods

Still no sympathy for him

Hamas do not rule the west bank and the west bank is palestinians isrsel should get the hell out of there. That’s what international law say.

Nothing justify israel actions in the west bank

Zionism was a solution to Jewish statelessness and persecution. In its early conception, Zionism was not a tool of oppression, but rather a form of self-determination.

Zionists had no right to impose a state in any country. Even if the state was in Argentine or Japan or the USA, the population would have not accepted either. Facing a persecution is not a valid argument against imposing a state on the land of people who had nothing to do with the oppression .

No matter how peaceful the ideology started , fact is fact Zionism became violent and is the source of the whole conflicts with the help of the British empire.

Herlz also asked support from antisemites

Zionists are similar tool of oppressiom to nazis

The Jewish people began by buying the land legally in the late 1800s as a way to escape persecution. That pissed off the local Arabs (understandably) and both of them started arguing—which was not usually violent until 1920-30ish

Arab was pissed of when the zionists plan became clear. Owning lands do not give you right to declare a state

There was a group of Yemeni jews who settled in palestine and people was fine with them. Arabs and those jews was going to each other festivities.

But those people still elect those parties thst support israel. Why those parties would listen to people?

I was afraid for my life" is a fine argument for firing back if someone pulls a gun and starts shooting at you. It’s ridiculous when it comes from a cop who opens fire on a kid with something in his hands.

Only if the risk is so eminent . Israel used the same argument to occupy gaza and the west bank in 67. Even if Israel goal of occupation is extermination of Palestinians and Russia is to make Ukraine part of Russia again occupation is occupation .

I don’t see any other way to interpret Putin mentioning that Ukraine used to be part of Russia and that Ukrainians are just Russian

The parts of Ukraine Russia controls right now were trying to break away from Ukraine before the war

I know that there is separatist movements in them but we don’t know how much of the population backing it up

Sorry i mistaken you for the other person that I reply to. I also talked with the other guy about republicans vs democrats and not Trump vs Biden and Obama.

It cannot be overstated how completely different these situations are. Israel is trying to exterminate Palestinians. Russia does not want Ukraine to be part of a hostile, nuclear-armed military pact. Palestinians are fighting because otherwise Israel will kill them. Ukrainians are fighting because their coup government is having its strings pulled by NATO

While i agree russia isn’t trying to ethenic cleansing ukranians the argument they use it’s still the same in my opinion. I think Putin want to make ukraine part of russia without erasing ukrsnian identity but if ukranians want to stay independent russia should respect that. I don’t see any other reason why Putin said that Ukraine used to be part of Russia

You started by talking about republicans in general and when i talked about how democrats are devided with many supporting the war on iran thst israel and trump started you deflected by talking about presidents

I didn’t claim that they did. You just try to deflect from the fact that in democratic party leadership there is leaders who support republicans and trump when it come to foreign policies excluding the policies about Ukraine

Republicans are more pro israel.This could help the palestinian cause .While Carlson is russian puppet, it is irelevant in the topic of iran

Many democrats leaders still celebrated israel attacking iran.

Real antiaemitism is not critisized by the.governments and pro israel people but condemn anti occupation people

If anyone says this, they don’t mean it, because it’s completely contradictory. They’re lying to you.

I said it’s a terrible excuse so i reject their argument. It’s true that if Palestinian never resisted over 60k would never die in 2 years but still nobody can strip their right to resistance and the over 60k dead Palestinians responsibility lay exclusively on Israel

There’s no future resolution to this war that leaves Ukraine with more land than they have today. Continuing the war just means it will end with less Ukrainian land and less Ukranians.

Palestinians continuing to resist like i already said also caused them to lose more lands every time , it’s still unacceptable. Russia and Israel are both claiming that control of those land are for purely security reasons

It’s unlike Palestine because Russia is not fighting a war of extermination and is not trying to drive residents from their homes. The people in the parts of pre-war Ukraine that Russia now controls aren’t being massacred or evicted; they are predominantly Russian speakers who had (to be charitable to Ukraine) legitimate grievances with the Ukrainian government after the U.S.-backed coup in 2014.

I didn’t mean to say Russia/Ukraine and Israel/Palestine is exactly the same but i still standing with my view that there is similar excuses. Another similarity is how both use the argument of the group of person not existing . Israel say that there is no Palestinians and all the land is our , Russia say that Ukrainians are just Russians that Ukraine was simply part of Russia .

I think Russia could have with economic pressure alone stop Ukraine from joining NATO especially if they convince China that a NATO Ukraine which protect the United state interests in the world is a risk for China too . The war was really overkill. Occupation also is required to be temporary, yet Russia has not stated a plan to when they could approximately give back those lands. What can stop Russia from saying forever that there is a risk that Ukraine join NATO?

I want to hear you say i condemn Israeli raping Palestinians like i condemn Hamas killing and raping civilians

it was the Palestinians who elected Hamas, it was Palestinians who cheered for them as dead girls were paraded through the town, and last polls i saw show Hamas still have significant support of the population with any Palestinian resistance against Hamas resulting in predictable torture and death because Hamas are Islamic jihadi’s at their core

It was also Israeli who elected war criminals oppressing , killing and raping Palestinians since it’s creation. It is Israeli who voted for Netanyahu who say proudly that he oppose two state solution no matter what and admit for sabotaging peace process https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/pm-im-proud-i-blocked-a-palestinian-state-looking-at-gaza-everyone-sees-what-would-have-happened/

Israeli also chant death to arab every year

Yet i do not support killing Israeli civilians like you support Israeli terrorism and occupation

You can try to deflect forever by mentioning Hamas terrorism it doesn’t change the fact that Israel has no right to occupy Palestinians land and build illegal settlements.

Do you condemn the building of illegal settlements and condemn illegal settlers violence?