We align with them greatly, but not really the other way around.
We are dependent militarily and industrially for no good reason other than a sentiment of servitude, inferiority and vetos directly from the US within NATO and in the EU through the UK.
Other than that it could be easily argued that culturally we have also lost a lot of ground since WWII.
Winning back independence and leadership in any of these domains is in Europe’s interest and I believe common interests could be found for example in Canada.
Of course there should be no inferiority and overreliance on them, it doesn’t mean that they are inherently bad for us. Europe needs partners that align with them.
These are far right talking points.
And how helpful has this rest of the world been to europe this far, for example in relation to helping Ukraine? You know, in things that really matter?
And I should keep trying with a bunch of idiots threatening me and overtly allied with the power attacking Ukraine, only because I never did a good job as a potential superpower to coordinate myself and others?
Where did I suggest you should try anything? It seems like you are changing the topic. Let’s try to keep on track, please.
I’m saying Europe is better off with USA as a reliable ally rather than an unreliable enemy.
Also I don’t know why you suddenly talk about yourself like you are THE Europe lol.
There are (commercial, trade, military, political) RELATIONSHIPS we are talking about.
There is no switch to have them accepted or not, there is a continuous effort from both parties.
And like any effort, it implies a cost. We have been in a toxic relationship with the USA for decades.
There is a chance for them to get better? Good for them, we will contemplate the possibility for that to be in our interest once I will see it happening.
In the meanwhile, having them showing their true face allows us to be lucid about the current state of affairs and redirecting our efforts elsewhere.
There is a chance for them to get better? Good for them, we will contemplate the possibility for that to be in our interest once I will see it happening.
So you agree. What are we even talking about then?
We align with them greatly, but not really the other way around.
We are dependent militarily and industrially for no good reason other than a sentiment of servitude, inferiority and vetos directly from the US within NATO and in the EU through the UK.
Other than that it could be easily argued that culturally we have also lost a lot of ground since WWII.
Winning back independence and leadership in any of these domains is in Europe’s interest and I believe common interests could be found for example in Canada.
Of course there should be no inferiority and overreliance on them, it doesn’t mean that they are inherently bad for us. Europe needs partners that align with them. These are far right talking points.
There is a whole Rest of the World out there, even if you take out Russia and China.
And how helpful has this rest of the world been to europe this far, for example in relation to helping Ukraine? You know, in things that really matter?
And I should keep trying with a bunch of idiots threatening me and overtly allied with the power attacking Ukraine, only because I never did a good job as a potential superpower to coordinate myself and others?
That is really weak as an argument.
Where did I suggest you should try anything? It seems like you are changing the topic. Let’s try to keep on track, please. I’m saying Europe is better off with USA as a reliable ally rather than an unreliable enemy.
Also I don’t know why you suddenly talk about yourself like you are THE Europe lol.
There are (commercial, trade, military, political) RELATIONSHIPS we are talking about. There is no switch to have them accepted or not, there is a continuous effort from both parties. And like any effort, it implies a cost. We have been in a toxic relationship with the USA for decades.
There is a chance for them to get better? Good for them, we will contemplate the possibility for that to be in our interest once I will see it happening.
In the meanwhile, having them showing their true face allows us to be lucid about the current state of affairs and redirecting our efforts elsewhere.
So you agree. What are we even talking about then?
Read the last lines of my comment.