Yeah but at least we could have retained our domestic civil liberties and our own right to civilly protest the genocide under the other guys? Now we have nothing, less than nothing.
We could have also not have a dept of DOGE, but that’s not the argument here. Enough whataboutism and just accept that there was no US candidate that was actual stand up to Israel.
Trump is, in more than one way, your punishment for trying to have civil liberties at home while funding genocide abroad. That contradiction was only ever going to result in one thing and that was Trump.
LOL, you think most Americans, let alone most Democrats, support funding genocide abroad?
Also, I love how people constantly blame anyone but the far right and their decades-long efforts for the culmination of donvict slithering into office. No one deserves a shitstain like donvict ruining the country and working to make the entire world worse.
LOL, you think most Americans, let alone most Democrats, support funding genocide abroad?
Not enthusiastic support, but “Let’s wait for Later™ before we do anything about this” is also support. The resulting anti-dissent defensive herd mentality is proof of that. You’ll probably defend that as “strategic voting” or “picking your battles” or whatever, but nothing less than a resolute “No” is acceptable as a response to genocide.
No one deserves a shitstain like donvict ruining the country and working to make the entire world worse.
Really? Because I can think of a few names. And in the first place things are only getting worse for the first world; the destruction of the American-European imperial alliance will be met with celebration over here, but let’s not lose sight of the point. Keeping your civil rights without opposing genocide was a losing proposition from the very start, and no amount or “hold your nose and vote for her” will change that.
Again, the only two choices were: donvict or Kamala. That’s it. Nothing else. Best option was to vote Democratic all down the ticket then do everything possible to lean on Democrats to stop supporting Israel.
Keeping your civil rights without opposing genocide was a losing proposition
Again, the only two choices were: donvict or Kamala. That’s it. Nothing else. Best option was to vote Democratic all down the ticket then do everything possible to lean on Democrats to stop supporting Israel.
No. You could’ve leaned on the Democrats to stop supporting Israel before voting, while they still needed you. Leaning on them after the election would’ve had absolutely no effect and you know it. Relinquishing your right to act during the only time where you have a chance of success is indistinguishable from inaction, hence Americans chose not to oppose genocide.
Yes, two choices: to resist, or to not resist. You could’ve admittedly defeat after actually doing something, but with how things actually went down? I’m perfectly willing to say that Trump is America’s just desserts.
…We are literally in a thread that started with liberals blaming the results of the election on the victims of a liberal-funded genocide. Look in the mirror
Yeah but at least we could have retained our domestic civil liberties and our own right to civilly protest the genocide under the other guys? Now we have nothing, less than nothing.
We could have also not have a dept of DOGE, but that’s not the argument here. Enough whataboutism and just accept that there was no US candidate that was actual stand up to Israel.
Trump is, in more than one way, your punishment for trying to have civil liberties at home while funding genocide abroad. That contradiction was only ever going to result in one thing and that was Trump.
LOL, you think most Americans, let alone most Democrats, support funding genocide abroad?
Also, I love how people constantly blame anyone but the far right and their decades-long efforts for the culmination of donvict slithering into office. No one deserves a shitstain like donvict ruining the country and working to make the entire world worse.
Not enthusiastic support, but “Let’s wait for Later™ before we do anything about this” is also support. The resulting anti-dissent defensive herd mentality is proof of that. You’ll probably defend that as “strategic voting” or “picking your battles” or whatever, but nothing less than a resolute “No” is acceptable as a response to genocide.
Really? Because I can think of a few names. And in the first place things are only getting worse for the first world; the destruction of the American-European imperial alliance will be met with celebration over here, but let’s not lose sight of the point. Keeping your civil rights without opposing genocide was a losing proposition from the very start, and no amount or “hold your nose and vote for her” will change that.
Again, the only two choices were: donvict or Kamala. That’s it. Nothing else. Best option was to vote Democratic all down the ticket then do everything possible to lean on Democrats to stop supporting Israel.
Exactly WHO was proposing that?
No. You could’ve leaned on the Democrats to stop supporting Israel before voting, while they still needed you. Leaning on them after the election would’ve had absolutely no effect and you know it. Relinquishing your right to act during the only time where you have a chance of success is indistinguishable from inaction, hence Americans chose not to oppose genocide.
Two choices. That’s all we had realistically.
Keep gloating that we had no anti-genocide candidate.
Both candidates represented you perfectly.
I’m not sure how anything I’ve said about the situation constitutes “gloating”. And no, I don’t support genocide.
How is letting donvict into office helping?
Yes, two choices: to resist, or to not resist. You could’ve admittedly defeat after actually doing something, but with how things actually went down? I’m perfectly willing to say that Trump is America’s just desserts.
The centrist wing has no other policy they’re willing to actually go to bat for.
I’m talking about the voters. How many Democratic voters want genocide in Gaza?
Sorry, not allowed to reply honestly.
Imagine getting your post removed for “misinfo” when you’re saying the truth. clown.world
I’m used to it. I came here from reddit.
Same here. It feels .world censors us more than reddit does for Luigi and Israel.
You never deserved those liberties if it means you’re okay with enabling genocide.
You seem to be under the mistaken impression that anyone ever listened to my opinion on the subject.
You the People of America had a year-long referendum on the subject.
I’m sure additional victim blaming will win the progressives the next election for sure.
…We are literally in a thread that started with liberals blaming the results of the election on the victims of a liberal-funded genocide. Look in the mirror