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Lemmy is never ever beating the misogynist allegations what the fuck is this dumpsterfire of a thread, she rejected him and the dude is just looking for excuses to take his anger out on her. That woman is a badass, all you people wanting her to just be still, demure and silent until the attacker leaves are the problem.
Don’t assume a noisy few are the majority.
That guy is a peice of shit.
Anyone who thinks he is defending himself is a fucking moron proof is in the pudding
She tries to stop him grabbing his drink, must’ve known something was coming. He kicks he when she’s down.
What else do you idiots need? Humans are worthless
Nathan Seale has been charged with 4th degree assault.
we need context. blend the gender stuff out.
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Throws drink in face, shoves, kicks, shoves.
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Reaches for bottle before drink thrown in face, reaches for bottle a second time but does nothing with it.
Those are the actions both parties took. You’re out of your mind to think context is even needed. At no moment was she stopping him from leaving he initiated and continued. Are you brain dead?
You’re a misogynist, woman are capable of aggression.
She invades his space, trying to grab his drink. That’s primary aggression. She approaches him (!) with a bottle in hand, that’s a threat with a dangerous weapon.
Meanwhile he:
Throws drink in face (unnecessary but not dangerous) Repeatedly tries to back up while she appraoches. Pushes her to regain personal space (most non-violent possible reaction)
Instigates the aggression, continues aggression. Escalates the aggression. Defending himself. Sure.
Absolute scumbag shut up
Are you blind or just a misogynist who cant accept that women are human beings capable of aggression?
Are you fucking retarded like actually?
She touches his drink, he throws it in her face. She stands up and reaches for him. He throws her down, THEN HE STANDS UP AND KICKS HER.
She stands up again unsure what aggression will continue because this cunt has instigated violence and then escalated violence. He shoves her to the ground.
He could’ve left, left again, left a third time. He didn’t. You’re a fucking moron if you think anything else, so I guess you’re a fucking moron.
Fucking thank you for speaking up in here.
Of course you can’t judge without context: we can’t understand. We don’t know their relationship, their history, nor what they say to each other.
Context may make thing even worse for the guy? Or maybe his reaction is, still not pardonable, but more understandable with the context?
Getting the context doesn’t mean your favorit side will loose anything. But judging without context is accepting to deliver unfair judgements.
Why is it my favorite side? I don’t know these people don’t put anything on me.
Context will only clear up one thing, why did she put her hand on the glass and if you could argue it was simple battery. Which would be unlikely because most judges find frivolous charges like that unnecessary without some kind of history of actions or whatever. Putting your hand on someone’s glass in an isolated situation is not simple battery.
On the flip side responding with violence because a hand was put on your glass is likely assault. Escalation, specific intent to harm and multiple violent interactions require zero context. We don’t need to know anything for that.
If he was afraid for his life his body language and the rest of his actions didn’t support that. She never prevented him from leaving.
If you think in any situation his reaction is understandable you’re being completely stupid, there’s no reason to put your hands on someone like this in this situation.
So I am being completly stupid, I am fine with it.
But while I do not understand what happend, I don’t pretend I do.
What is she telling him? I have no idea, and that could (or not) be part of the explaination.
His reaction looks like anger. It may not be. But it looks like it. Yet what causes this anger? Is it understandable to be angry in such cases?
Anger should not allow us to be violent, and he is wrong to beat her. One this I totally agree. But no, I can’t judge the cases.
Yes you absolutely can. He assaulted her. Anyone in this thread leaning away from that is defending this situation and looking for justification for his actions.
It’s assault. It’s fucking gross.
Or maybe his reaction is, still not pardonable, but more understandable with the context?
There isn’t acceptable context for how he kicked her while she was on the ground nor for hitting her at the end.
Not siding with him, it seems likely he was in the wrong. But regarding your comment. Hypothetically, let’s say he is the recipient of constant abuse. Both verbal and physical, and this was him finally snapping and giving it back. Let’s say he has been on the receiving end of his fair share of kicks whilst down. Let’s say he previously never wanted to fight back because he isn’t violent.
I am not saying that is what happened. But i am saying you cant say “there isn’t acceptable context” when it took me 5 seconds to think of some.
He is still responsible for his actions. Previous abuse does not excuse assaulting this woman multiple times in this scenario.
Why are you playing devil’s advocate for this man?
According to her friend, it was their second date and she told him she didn’t want to se him anymore. Someone else posted the article with her friend’s version of the story, yesterday with two links. Here is the one without a paywall :
I fail to see how he supposedly attacked her first…
This blog is not a news source.
What a dip shit you are
And there is not a fair judgement without understanding of the context.
I may illustrate with two different possible contexts, most likely none apply here, the point is to show you that your judgement may not be the exact same:
A: They are from the same family and she comes-out to him as a lesbian, and that her actual partner she plans to marry has an other ethnical origine. The anger and violence of the guy is their based on homophobia and racism which adds to the physical aspect.
B: He was a soldier in some military conflict and has traumas. Some flashbacks make him violent. He would need meds but can’t afford them anymore due to life cost rising. In this scenario, the violence is not even related to his victime.
You don’t need to invent scenarios to justify his actions here. There is plenty of evidence on the video to know that he is in the wrong.
Thank you. I get tired of people being white knights and such. It might be the way it looks, it might not be. Without context anyone is just guessing.
Without context anyone is just guessing.
There is no justification here for how he assaulted her. It’s not white knighting to know that he is in the wrong.
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To justify a kick while on the ground she must have said something the equivalent of “I am going to murder your cat while you sleep” and I doubt that is what happened. What likely happened is she said something that hurt his ego and instead of expressing his reaction verbally, he acted like the man child he is and started flailing his arms and legs. If this is the case he should be banned from every bar with a ten km radius of where he lives and from all the dating apps too.
Am I missing something here? They both seem like shitty ppl, but it seems like everyone just hates the guy.
It looks like she is initially just trying to grab the glass.
He escalates it unecceserily at every fucking point.
Dude has anger issues and is a danger to those around him.
I hope she’s okay and I hope that piece of shit gets some time behind bars.
Did I forget to take my meds?
How are most people here defending the person repeatedly initiating unwanted contact and not the person defending themselves?? He used the minimum amount of force necessary to maintain his personal space while she threatened him with a bottle(!), do you have any idea how dangerous a bottle can be as a weapon?
P.S. You people are so second-wave, probably millennials
You are an incel, in case you didn’t realize that already. My goodness, man. This is the behavior of a future murderer of women. You need to interact with more live humans if you think this is acceptable in any way.
He used the minimum amount of force necessary to maintain his personal space
Yeah delivering a kick to her while she’s on the ground after he shoved her is the minimum amount of force necessary, I’m sure.
She was well within her rights to protect herself after that.
These are both trashy people, but you have the mindset of an abuser if you call that “minimum.”
Also you use millennial as an insult because you’re feelings got hurt? Sounds like snowflake behavior to me.
Be better.
what did the lady do?
we see nothing to make her trashy in this video
Here’s my guess: Date; she rejects; he takes her drink because he paid for it and doesn’t know where to go with his anger; she protests (rightfully so); he assaults her; have there been Real consequences for him yet???
And now he’s in jail, right?
Seems like two lovely people…
