I ask because I’ve been doing a lot of research the last few weeks and Google search has really let me down. I’ve been finding better results on DuckDuckGo and Bing. Is this a recent thing with Google or am I out of the loop? Any other search recommendations?
Edit: In no particular order, some recommended alternatives to Google
SearXNG
Whoogle
Ecosia
Brave
Dogpile
DuckDuckGo
Kagi
Swiss Cows
Qwant
Bing
Absolutely.
I think there’s two issues.
One is that Google’s search has gotten a LOT less useful over the last few years. I blame enshittification- it used to just search for whatever you typed in, now there’s a lot of ‘you typed X but we think you might mean Y’ type stuff that produces tons of irrelevant results. You can turn on Verbatim mode and that helps a little but it’s still not ‘just search for what I fucking typed in and not something else’.
The real advent of enshittification was when Google+ the social network came out- they removed + as a search operator and now you have to enclose something in quotes for ‘must include’. It’s been going downhill since then.The other is that Google is either losing an arms race or simply not trying to weed out SEO spam sites. So you ask a question like ‘error 0x0000001b blue screen’ and you get pages and pages of ‘how to solve error 0x0000001b [FIXED]’ that are just ‘error 0x0000001b is a common error lots of people have, it can be caused by many things, to fix it reboot your computer and if that doesn’t work try safe mode and if that doesn’t work try OfficialDriverFixRegistryCleanupUtility.exe number one free recommended utility to solve all system problems’ (only spread out over 3 pages).
Or you get a bunch of 10 minute videos that illustrate a 20 second fix.
No thanks.Yeah there is definitely something going wrong with Google. I noticed that the search results got much worse in the last weeks. Either it’s full of SEO Blog Spam, or it straight out doesn’t find anything. Especially for technical error messages it stopped finding results. I have to directly look on Github or Stackoverflow now.
I kind of like https://swisscows.com
Both Google and Microsoft (Bing) aren’t your friends…
I spent years honing my google-fu only to see it become completely useless when google apparently decided that it was no longer interested in returning actually useful results and would instead return nothing but ads and a random assortment of clickbait in which one single word matches one of my search terms.
I googled a very broad, two-word phrase (“MySQL overlayfs”) and not a single one of the top 30 results had both of those words in them. It’s like Google has regressed to pre-Altavista days.
DuckDuckGo uses Bing results. Also DuckDuckGo is not your friend.
I personally use SearXNG for best results. Public instance list.
DuckDuckGo is not your friend
please, PLEASE, never forget that the CEO of DuckDuckGo is also the founder of the “Names Database”. it is insane to me that anyone trusts DDG. where do you think they get all the money for marketing from? i’ve seen a DDG ad on a fucking bus stop in the middle of nowhere
edit: throwing in an honorary mention for Qwant, which is an EU-based privacy-oriented search engine. i’ve been using them for a couple of years now and have yet to hear anything bad about the company. SearX is also supposedly a safe bet
Thanks for the link on SearXNG never heard of that before.
That article is about their web browser. Agree that it doesn’t exactly instill confidence that their search engine is squeaky clean. Regardless, DDG results are much more useful than Google results, as the entire first page isn’t ads.
This. It was an interesting read and gives me doubts, but it’s undoubtably better than using google and I can set it to my default search engine in safari
Iwould honestly not use Safari either. Mozilla Firefox is the way to go (unless you’re on iOS where there actually is no real choice, although the probably still better to use the Firefox front end)
I think Google search hitched their wagon to Reddit (whether involuntary or not is up for debate) and now it’s coming around and biting them in the ass. The “hack” of sticking Reddit or using the tag “site:reddit.com” to the end of whatever your search query was has long been figured out by the masses and I can’t help but think the search algorithm has been trained to look there more often by default as a lazy way of doing SEO.
Now that Reddit is rotting from the inside, Google is really having to scramble to do something and fix their SEO spam issues and build trust in their results. What is already a not so great product at the moment in Google Search will soon turn into a bad one if they aren’t careful. I think they have coasted for so long as being the default since there was no one else that could challenge them. But with ChatGPT and other LLMs quickly improving, Google has a real danger of losing their biggest cash cow in Seach. Hell if they aren’t careful, they could even find their way to non-existence since so much of their revenue comes from serving ads and search listings.
They’re really at a turning point and need to be extremely careful in how they move from here. With their recent track record and what they’ve shown with things like the current Search debacle they’re in, Bard, how they’ve managed Android hardware and software the last decade, etc., I’m not so sure they can do it.
Google is a trash company. although Maps and Youtube are strong products that are hard to replace. Search and email have been enshittified over last decade like no other.
maps was ruined compared to what it used to be. I can’t remember when but I found it super useful and then one day they changed some stuff and doing stuff just became crap.
Popups. Any time you open Maps app now, you get a “latest in area” popup that’s some local events but mostly just sponsored ads.
I felt the same a year or two ago an have used DuckDuckGo almost exclusively since. I believe DDG is a private frontend for Bing, but I may be wrong.
That’s correct, it’s Bing under the hood.
I can’t be bothered to turn off my VPN and since Google Search is dropping CAPTCHA bombs on me every time I try to access it I dropped it. I Throughout the week I rotate between Startpage, DuckDuckGo and Bing. However lately I’m more inclined to use Bing Chat and ChatGPT.
As someone who works in IT Security, the captchas are a necessary evil at this point. Without captchas, sites get slammed with millions invalid or malicious requests every hour. The sites I work with will see error traffic spike 3000% or more from credential stuffing attacks alone. These attacks are so highly distributed that simple IP tracking and banning all but ineffective anymore. And about 99.99% of the malicious traffic comes from VPNs and hosting providers. Unfortunately botnets and the people that run them are getting smarter and smarter about constructing the traffic to avoid bot detection.
tldr; the most effective tool to keep a site up and running and accounts secure is unfortunately captchas for VPN users.
For about the last year and a half Google results have been less useful - so yes it’s fairly recent(-ish).
Especially for tech stuff. We used to have Reddit to turn to as an alternative, but now that’s not working.
https://www.dexerto.com/tech/google-admits-reddit-blackout-tanked-search-results-2191128/ - e.g. the Senior VP for searching in Google even admits that Google is not as good anymore, somewhat as a result of the Reddit issue but that was only propping up the problem that Google itself caused, by allowing SEO (Search Engine Optimization) to rank predatory webpages over real ones with actual content.
I don’t know of any solutions to this. I was thinking to search on places individually - like SlackOverflow, but now that company too is having a strike from its volunteer workforce just like Reddit. Google, Twitter, Reddit, Slackoverflow, they all are having MAJOR issues right now, as a result of not wanting to pay their workers and get something for nothing.
So they are turning to AI to solve their problems. AI doesn’t understand shit, and in its current form simply parrots the answers that it gets elsewhere, without proper context or anything, or even acknowledging at all where the original content came from. So now as the sources of true content are drying up, and the well having been poisoned, true information is suddenly much more rare and precious than it ever was, yet harder to find than ever before as it is mixed in with all the sewage of people vomiting up their emotions, and actively upvoting things like snarky answers or memes rather than “real” ones.
The information age seems to be over, and in this Late Stage Capitalism we are now entering a new era, whatever it’s called (maybe disinformation age?).
I’ve heard people mention disinformation age and I wouldn’t be surprised if in 50 years this time period is called that. I imagine it’s at least going to get a bit worse before it gets better.
Disinformation sounds like an intentionality behind it, which in some cases is very much true (Russian sources proven in some cases in order to sow discord).
While the terms late stage capitalism and/or enshittification of the internet may capture how it is oftentimes rather a byproduct of a profit seeking motive - i.e. the disinformation was not the point, it is simply what resulted from the process of chasing profits at all costs not just to be responsible and keep the company going but to make enormous bloated kickbacks to executives and stockholders (at the expense of rather than while feeding forward the product).
It is ironic how the two forms of dis-/misinformation look remarkably similar to one another. Both are forms of destruction and decay, and both result from selfishness and greed, the only difference is whether it comes from an external or internal source, the former wanting to actively destroy while the latter is an even greater degree of malice in not even caring or possibly even noticing the fact that destruction is taking place. Like a zombie apocalypse where they eat and are not even sated as an animal eating would have been, and simply move on to eat again and again and still yet again, entirely unnaturally, according to a level of greed not even physically possible in the past (bc of constraints on stomach size, even if some animals can expand that like a python, yet they still have a limit whereas corporations do not?).
And then you have the whole “who rather than what you know” crowd for whom facts do not even matter so much, being too lazy to consume them personally. Humans are very much herd animals (sheeple) it just is a fact. These will consume the ads, and do not care really what info is fed to them, hence why should a corporation be interested in feeding them high quality info when low quality stuff is received better actually, as well as being significantly cheaper? In fact the users would outright complain if only high quality material were available, bc it is too difficult for them to read. This is an interesting tangent to explore bc it shows how it is not the greed of corporations forcing the misinformation down their users’ throats unwilling, but rather corporations properly fulfilling their duties to both shareholders and a majority of users simultaneously, giving their customers precisely what they wanted, asked for, and demanded as in they go to whoever offers that. Who is really in charge here, if not you and I making decisions - Google or Bing or DDG - every single time we do a search?
Here is an interesting article touching upon some of these thoughts: https://kbin.social/m/tech/t/113196/An-older-article-that-is-taking-on-new-significance-considering.
Google Search has been accusing me of being a robot a lot lately, making me solve a bajillion captchas. So I’ve stopped using search engines entirely. I’ve bookmarked a lot of the sites I regularly visit and have realized I don’t really need Google, apart from for getting the correct links to said websites because I can’t remember their .orgs and .coms.
