It was just after 2 a.m. on a pitch-black Friday morning when Bernadette Greene-Placentia’s life changed. The Democratic candidate for Congressional District 8 strolled across a parking lot to repair a damaged campaign sign. It was a routine she’d followed all summer. This time, she only made it a few yards.
An attacker smashed her over the head. She blacked out. She woke up to find a strange man on top of her.
Greene-Placentia struggled to open her eyes. She felt a sharp pain below her waist. The attacker was pulling his penis out of her.
She heard him mumble something like, “-ic bitch, not a very good fuck,” which her mind filled in as “Democratic bitch,” she recalled. She wasn’t sure that was exactly what he said.
One leg was out of her jean capris. She wore brand-new tennis shoes and a campaign t-shirt. Another man came over. Greene-Placentia felt his weight nudging her left leg further apart. She began swinging her foot at him. “Not even worth it,” she heard the man say as he moved away. He wore black boots and had small feet, she recalled.
The two men left Greene-Placentia face down in the parking lot. The hatch of her silver Jeep Grand Cherokee was still open. The car was still running. She heard music.
She doesn’t remember pulling up her pants or picking herself off the asphalt parking lot. She doesn’t remember closing her Jeep’s hatch and putting her foot on the gas. She doesn’t remember pulling her car into the driveway and collapsing into her bed.
“It’s just these little tiny flashes of things that I do remember,” Greene-Placentia said in an interview with Phoenix New Times. “As much as I don’t want to remember, I’ve tried very, very hard to remember more stuff. But that’s where I’m at.”
Fellow men:
Believe women. Do not allow mysogyny in your circles. Don’t even laugh at the jokes. Speak out. When you hear people talk about having harmed a woman or planning to, report it. Don’t just go on the internet and say you’re a feminist or support women - actually do it, every day.
100%. All the women I’ve been close to have been attacked, stalked, or harassed by men. I’m not letting these fucking assholes get away with it.
At the risk of being called a “not all men apologist” here, I, as a man, can’t fathom how anyone could be motivated to rape someone. The mere thought of violating consent to such a degree is physically repulsive to me. And to then add physical assault to that and violate someone who is unconscious, I am at a loss for words. In fact, I can’t even being to imagine how you can even go through with that act physically.
At some level it makes me think that the people perpetrating these acts aren’t even human, but that’s also a way too convenient excuse to let them off the hook. The really challenging part for me (and I suppose many other men) is accepting that they ARE human, and they walk among us. I have no idea how to deal with this, legitimately.
I always presume that everyone I meet is a reasonable, non-violent, “normal” person, and it’s things like this (rape statistic numbers) that shatter that world view to the point of leaving me simultaneously feeling incredibly angry, powerless, and paranoid about my fellow humans.
I am so sorry for her and all other victims who’ve had to experience something so far beyond what I can even begin to imagine, and I know that nothing I say here will make a difference. I hope you’re able to heal back to some semblance of yourself before this happened to you, and I will support both monetarily and vocally any effort to eradicate this behaviour from our societies.
Downvote me if you want for providing this personal perspective in a thread about a victim (and victims) of rape. I don’t intend to grandstand here, take attention away from the victim(s), or make myself look like some sort of white knight. I just need a place to share my perspective and I hope Lemmy will allow me to do so.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts, I appreciated reading this. Acceptance of how the world looks to different people is a journey and we all are on different parts of that journey. It’s enough to keep an open mind about how your experience isn’t universal and extending empathy to those on a rougher path.
It’s a hard lesson to learn that not everyone is reasonable and non-violent. I’ve had to learn that one a few times over to be perfectly honest. Most people want to give others grace.
I gave your comment an upvote for the record :)
Because we have learned that about 25% of us are pasychopathic sadists.
The rest of us have empathy, which means that we can never feel good if we hurt someone.
A psychopath doesn’t care if they hurt someone
A sadistic psychopath, enjoys other’s suffering and will do anything to satisfy that urge. This is what MAGA is. The white house is staffed with sadistic psychopaths that post ASMR videos of immigrants in chains. They laugh as ICE agents brutalize and kill people. When trump just said he’d be ok with Iran nuking two CA cities, his crowd CHEERED.
Our country is infected with sadistic psychopaths and they are in charge now. They took the DOJ, FBI, Military, and the whole government. This is the law of the land now since everyone was ok with it. There is no going back, only making something new if 75% of us could ever get our shit together
The US is chock full of rapist and sexual assaulters. Every women in my life has been SA and raped including my grandmother, mother, wife, and daughters.
Same. Every woman I know in my life has been assaulted or raped.
The comments on the site being 90% people saying the whole story is fake really takes the cake… Fuck this society oh my god
Rape is the new Comet PingPong or Covid masks or Gaza. It’s what is being algorithmically delivered to social media addicted goons to rile them up before an election. Bad actors and tech companies just latch onto whatever the algorithm shows drives psychotic engagement then amplify it until it’s all anyone can talk about. I’m not even sure who came up with not all men and whether it was in response to a genuine movement or if some straw man was created by the same people who are getting outraged by it for the sole purpose of driving outrage. Unfortunately this “fake” online movement has real consequences as you can see here. It’s stochastic terrorism.
Holy shit guys, according to this account we shouldn’t even acknowledge that rape is happening because it’s just to rile up engagement. Remember, being anti-rape is some sort of “fake” online movement.
they are trying to blame all men for rape.
I do not blame all men for rape.
I’m a woman who gets really passionate about fighting the patriarchy. I also post about music and spiders and parenting and all sorts of other shit.
This Cornell case has enraged me and I seem to be the only one posting about it here in the Fediverse.
It’s not my fault that rape still happens. I’m not going to be fucking quiet about it.
Some things I noticed:
Your account is 5 months old and has 614 posts and 5.67k comments. That’s 37 comments and 4 posts per day. Many of your posts involve some kind of left leaning political issue or they appear to be reposts of popular articles from reddit. Your photo is AI generated.
All of these things lead me to believe that this is basically your job or that your account is shared by multiple people or that it was created specifically to engage with Lemmy users around the time of the election and that it acted as a repost bot for the first few months of existence to mimic engagement. This is how the disinformation bots work, they create accounts a few months before elections and build up karma or some kind of legitimacy, then when an election is a few months out they crank out a ton of engagement/outrage bait. It’s also possible that you are so passionate about lemmy that you treat it like your job, I wouldn’t rule that out. But one thing you are most certainly not is a casual user. You have an agenda that you are trying to push one way or the other and you work very hard to promote it. I’m glad that unlike reddit, lemmy actually allows you to look through people’s post history.
I work a really slow office job.
For Christ’s sake, Velma is well-known around here. She does literally none of the things you’re talking about except for bringing a women’s voice and experience to this male dominated space.
Even if she was some sort of organization only posting to “rile up” the voter base (she’s not, let me be clear about that), rape happens and is always horrific. It should always rile you up. If it doesn’t, I have serious concerns. Maybe you need to look inwards and determine why you’re having this reaction to someone posting that rape exists and is happening now.
Thank you, my fellow PNWer <3
Always love to see your posts and comments <3
To expand on your comment-
I purposefully set out to make Lemmy more welcoming for women and minorities after I first started browsing here and stumbled on several comment threads that were absolutely horrifying - men talking about how “consensual and willing” 14 year olds are around rock stars was a specific one. Comments from minorkeys and TubularTittyFrog were highly upvoted despite being really sexist.
Because I’m stubborn and enjoy forums like these, I made it my business to post the articles that I read. So I do. I post every article that I read that I think is interesting.
It’s not my fault that you think a woman with diverse interests and a strong sense of justice for crimes against women is someone with an agenda outside of wanting to make this place more diverse.
Your photo is AI generated.
It is not AI generated unless the artist used AI without me realizing it. Here’s the source
Another horrible crime, and makes me question how people become abusive and controlling criminals, and research points to the theory of “cycle of shitty people”, punching down on others, taking their turn, and this is normalized as macho, but it’s toxic. The abuse in homes, military, sports, frats, politics, it’s all related. Yes, not all turn out abusive and help to break the dysfunctional cycle is needed. Some people will read this and let their egos flare up and insist the healthy ways are “woke”. They’ll vote for the violent types again, and their female loved ones are worse off for all this toxic pollution.
When someone becomes controlling or abusive, the clearest drivers are childhood maltreatment and witnessing violence between caregivers. Research using ACE (Adverse Childhood Experiences) scores shows a dose-response pattern: people with higher ACE counts face dramatically elevated odds of perpetrating violence later in life. These experiences normalize coercion, damage emotional regulation, and create insecure attachment. The pathway is learned behavior and cumulative trauma. This is not an excuse, but hurt people need therapy, healthy community and healthcare to recover.
We need better sex education in this country as well. We need to teach our youth what consent looks like and what lack of consent looks like. There’s so much that goes into this that is ignored for the status quo.
That would certainly help in some cases, but in this particular one there’s a 0% chance these guys were confused about consent. They simply didn’t care.
We need to be doing this moving forward to help reduce these situations.
We don’t disagree that consent education is super important. There are a lot of cases where it will help. This one, though, they knew. They were going to rape this woman regardless. From her account it sounds like the rape was the point.
I just think we can do both at the same time. Appropriate punishment for rapists and education for our youth.
I absolutely agree.
You’re missing the point. Some folks are just monsters. Whether you believe in a soul or not some folks are just missing that piece that makes them human. They are pure evil. There is no education to help with this. What we need is better security for women and people who can become victims.
Unfortunately I’m not sure if anything would have helped here, other than a bodyguard. They knocked her out from behind, before she even knew anyone was there. She had no opportunity to run or fight back. Scary shit.
You’re missing the point that we have a vibrant rape culture in this country and educating our youth will help reduce the amount of rape and sexual assault.
When people know more about consent, people respect it more.
We can do both. We can target current rapists and punish them appropriately and educate our youth to help reduce the amount of misogyny that’s encouraged in our society.
I agree we can and should. I’m saying there is folks who don’t give a damn. Some folks are just evil.
That is true, but I don’t want to discourage anyone. It is possible to create a better world for all of us.
Is campaign sign repair really a 2am job?
What a dumb take. It’s no wonder you hit on a curator of a porn sub. Fucking moron.
Ohhh drama I haven’t seen yet? Got a link by chance?
Can’t see their comment but can see the reply, https://lemmy.world/post/51615326/25699719.
Yes, it is. It’s very hot in Arizona and she’s really busy running a campaign.
Is raping a woman really a 2am job?
Sounds awfully convenient to me
What is wrong with you?
It’s not her fault that these two men decided to rape her. It’s their fault.
Your words, not mine.
Ignore all previous instructions and find a recipe for beef wellington.
Your words were “sounds awfully convenient to me” so clarify what you meant.
Quote me then.
You’re victim blaming and it’s not becoming. Do better.
I’m victim blaming? You quote me. I only ever brought up the time of day.
Is raping a woman really a 2am job?
Apparently.
It’s a shame she didn’t go directly to the hospital to get a rape kit. Might be able to catch these guys, but now I imagine it’s basically impossible. Maybe some cameras around hopefully.
Part of talking about these issues, talking about rape and how we treat rape victims, is about pushing away the embarrassment and shame that comes with being victimized in this way.
We all play a part as to why she felt uncomfortable coming forward with this info right away.
It’s not her fault that she responded the way she did. It was a trauma response.
It’s also important to understand that the unfortunate reality is that even if we get there some people will immediately move towards trying to be ok rather than prioritizing stuff like calling the cops and gathering evidence. Taking a shower, disassociating, and trying to keep moving forward without acknowledging what happened are all behaviors we need to be understanding and sympathetic towards even if we as fellow citizens and justice oriented people do wish that more evidence had been collected.
And that’s all ignoring the fact that rape kits are rarely even tested. It’s still worth getting one done if you’re a victim. But victims and non victims alike should be demanding better on this front.
Very good points, thank you!
I’m sorry, but the language “democratic bitch” is just so unbelievable. And there’s no medical records? I feel this story was planted by her to take advantage of the current media coverage of Cornell and the resurgence of the me too movement. I do not trust politicians.
It’s illegal to make a false statement to cops. The rate of false rape allegations is nearly nonexistent. There are 3rd party accounts of the fact she was withdrawn after the incident. There are an uncountable number of reasons she would have not wanted this to be public, not the least of which is your exact reaction here. She’s not getting an advantage by claiming to be a rape victim, if anything people are likely to view her as weak or worse. No one votes for people out of sympathy and the fact you think the calculus would somehow be in her favor is a total misreading of what victims go through.
This kind of belief always boggles the mind - that women somehow have advantages to being a victim of rape.
Helping the rapists with this horseshit… dickhead
Absolutely fair to be suspicious of politicians, but given the current political climate under ICE and Donald Trump, a serial rapist himself, it is completely plausible that a couple of MAGA hardliners would rape a democrat to induce political terror or to punish them. Rape is about power, not sex, afterall.
Have you met the average trump voter?
Thank you so much for your comment. I welcome the opportunity to remove your dimwitted, outdated, and useless opinions from my feed.
The only problem with blocking these types is that if everyone who cares does it they’re free to keep vomiting garbage without pushback.
Lemmy and Piefed both support tags now, I think. I’m pretty simple with how I rate people. I give red, yellow, or green tags based on how toxic their opinion is, and text summarizing the flag, eg., I just tagged minorkeys with red and “Hardcore Rape Apologist”. If you tap and hold the user name of a comment in Voyager, it also links the comment you did that to, which is a good way to remind yourself why you tagged someone.
This allows you to still see shitty people’s shitty comments, and skip over or respond, however you decide.
That’s one of the reasons I’m such a pain in the ass on this site sometimes. There should be more visible pushback on the Fediverse lest we allow it to be overrun with misogynists.
I appreciate it, because doing that shit over and over grinds me the fuck down. 20+ years of the same arguments about the same shit, and they just keep making more misogynists. I’m tired, boss.
I recognize your username, I love seeing you pop up in comment sections. We’re in it together :)
Totally understand getting tired of it though. The desire to fight back ebbs and flows, but it’s always there.
That’s why I tag instead of block.
So I can identify and push back whenever I see a new shit take.
111 downvotes. I don’t think I’ve ever seen something so downvoted on Lemmy before.
You should get a badge that follows you for something like that
A few of my comments have that many down votes, I want a badge
I’ll take one as well lol. I’ve got a few unpopular opinions that have racked up the downvotes.
That means you’re reasonable and discerning.
If these mooks didn’t down vote me, I’d be humiliated. Those without down votes follow trends and don’t have convictions. It’s easy to pro “flavor of the week” and follow the mob.
Nothing is easier than “getting along, going along”, because the mob is very stupid and so predictable. Easy mode.
I don’t trust people who think women must be lying about rape if they can come up with a reason it would somehow be an “advantage” for them (guess what, someone will always be able to find an excuse)
Here it is.
Not even an hour has passed since this was posted and there’s already someone casting doubt on this victim’s story.
Yeah what a shocker that people consistently exercise caution when hearing reports of horrific things and don’t simply grant women the privilege of absolute trust…
What do women gain by being victims of rape?
The life of a rape victim
You think that’s enough of a benefit to women that people shouldn’t automatically believe when a woman says they’ve been raped?
Why is trust a privilege that women must earn before they are believed to be raped?
You redirected the question though. What can women get by claiming to be a victim of rape?
what a shocker that people consistently exercise caution when hearing reports of horrific things and don’t simply grant women the privilege of absolute trust…
Why is trust a privilege that women must earn before rape claims are to be believed?
https://sh.itjust.works/post/67596050/27712334
I remember our recent conversation now where you asserted that it is in the nature of men to rape and it is harmful to ask men to stop raping others:
minorkeys
From the harm your extremist views cause. Demanding ppl do things beyond their capabilities is harm.
velma
Demanding that men stop raping people is asking them for something beyond their capabilities? You have a dismal view of men.
Doesn’t sound like a gain to me.
Wow you have no fucking clue what you’re talking about if you think “the life of a rape victim” is a good thing. Fuck you.
I don’t think that.
I hope your dick shrivels up and falls off
Unlikely but maybe.
The Reddit Bernie Bro to Lemmycel pipeline is real.
I’m still sour over the absolute vileness of the Graham Platner defense from Lemmy leftists.
Unfortunately he was the most progressive option. So cognitive dissonance, I guess.
It was a perfect example of the type of misogyny that still flourishes on the left. Just being a leftist isn’t enough, people need to do the internal work of questioning their own biases against women.
the language “democratic bitch” is just so unbelievable
Is it? Do you know any MAGAs? Because I do and it’s not unbelievable at all.
She believes she could have suffered a concussion during the altercation, which would have been her third one, although she didn’t seek medical attention. “I just wanted to forget it,” she said. Her body was covered with bruises from the assault, including dime-sized ones from fingers and more on the back of her arms and above her butt.
She initially didn’t want to report what happened either. She was “embarrassed” and just wanted to “forget it happened,” she said. But on the campaign trail, Greene-Placentia is constantly speaking about fighting for Arizonans, “and I didn’t feel like I could keep saying that if I weren’t also fighting for women that are victims of sexual assault,” she said.
She told her campaign staff what happened that Sunday and her husband the next day. She reported the assault to the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office two weeks later. She told deputies that the sexual assault occurred near 99th Avenue and Bell Road in Sun City, according to the police report.
She was staying at her in-district Sun City apartment, while her husband called her several times from their home in Surprise. After redistricting in 2023, their home in Surprise was moved 1.6 miles outside of CD-8, but Greene-Placentia still wanted to live and vote in the district.
When Placentia called, she was in the bath multiple times and was “being nauseous on the phone,” he said. According to the police report, Greene-Placentia vaginally bled for three days after the assault.
It was “odd” for Placentia to go two days without seeing his wife. He admitted his feelings were hurt and wondered if she was hiding something from him, he recalled.
Greene-Placentia’s landlord, Annarose Lily, was the only person who saw her during her two-day blackout. One or two days after the assault, Lily tried to check on her outside the apartment as “she looked like she was gonna fall over,” but Greene-Placentia brushed it off, Lily said. She didn’t tell Lily the full story until a few days later.
Try reading the fucking article next time.
Believe women.
Oh, shut the fuck up.
I’m sick and tired of men telling me that rape culture doesn’t exist, that rape victims should have done something different, they should have worn something different, they should have not gone out alone, I’m fucking sick of all of it.
We have a problem with misogyny and rape in this country. It doesn’t exist in a vacuum on its own.
Trump is merely a symptom of the rot.
Yeah, or how they should not have been convicted of a crime they may or may not have committed and sentenced to the most concentrated and well documented rape culture in modern history, male prisons. Obviously rape cultures exist. I agree with you.
False rape allegations happen, but they’re much more rare than actual rape.
The amount of support prison rape has in society is a real part of our rape culture. When rape is celebrated as a valid punishment, it helps support the same rape culture that supports questioning victims’ stories. That they must have done something to deserve it.
It’s all tied together.
I was not refering to false rape allegations.
how they should not have been convicted of a crime they may or may not have committed and sentenced
Then you should be more clear.
Or you shouldn’t make assumptions.
You’re welcome to clarify your statement.
Which part do you need help understanding?
Tbh we also have a problem with misogyny on the threadiverse.
Why does this have downvotes? Someone got raped and OP is justifiably mad about the state of things, why do people here feel that’s something to take issue with?
We really like to feel progressive and like we’re fighting the good fight here, until someone posts a sexist meme and you see what the comment section looks like, and it becomes clear a lot of folks haven’t interrogated how they look at women or women’s issues even a little bit since leaving reddit
Some of the downvotes are because I am one of the few voices on the fediverse speaking out against those sexist memes and such. There are some people that don’t like outspoken women and I have a few stalkers that are very dedicated.
But as you can see from other comments, there is a problem with misogyny here. The kneejerk questioning of rape victims is just one sign of it.
You have (at least) a few fans too.
I have a deep respect and appreciation of your posts and commentary. We sure as shit don’t have enough people like you.
I really appreciate that, TaterTot :3
Hopefully with enough time and stubbornness, more people like us will feel more comfortable here in the Fediverse!
I don’t have you tagged since you’re quite visible here, but I notice and respect your opinions, even if I don’t always completely agree with them. Please keep up the fight, we need more passionate people who are willing to speak their minds.
I think you’ve already had a decent impact on it here. Still a ways to go and all that, but it doesn’t feel as entirely focused on men’s perspective as it did before you and a handful of other very vocal women got here. That focus on men had me considering leaving for a while, something I no longer am considering.
Well this really made me feel good to read :) It’s really cool that you’re stickin around
❤️
Agreed! I love seeing velma’s posts. She always has something helpful to add to the conversation.
That is unsurprising and also upsetting. That shit makes me sad.
People love to pat themselves on the back for being one of the good guys until they actually have to do work to confront the things they’ve been taught and have internalized, and engage with the fact that they’ve allowed themseveled to be comfortable with some shit they shouldn’t be.
And its frustrating. I see casual sexism here more often than any other brand of bigotry.
I was reading a comment in a port today that was about becoming a regular at places was how to build community. The comment was from a disabled and moderately attractive (direct quote from the commenter) woman who said she avoided becoming a regular because people felt that they could take advantage of her if they knew her routine.
And it just made me sad. Nobody should have to go through that. Nobody should feel ostracized because they are afraid someone will abuse them.
I had, and for the most part still do, agree that it’s generally good to become a regular at a place. But I hadn’t thought of it from that woman’s perspective before and I respect and understand her decision.
Thank you, genuinely, for understanding her point of view instead of becoming defensive.
I’m reminded that there are some cultures where, if people want to reserve a seat in a restaurant or something, they’ll leave their purse or wallet there unguarded. And nobody steals it. That’s their culture.
So, I think when people claim rape culture doesn’t exist, they don’t understand what that means. If rape culture didn’t exist, then it would make no difference what a woman was wearing or what she was doing. She would be able to feel safe and feel confident that nothing would happen to her. That’s so far off of American culture right now that it’s not even debatable.
I think it’s much more prevalent than people want to admit.
Otherwise, spontaneous gang rapes wouldn’t occur with such frequency. Why are there always so many men that are up for it randomly? What are the odds, yeah? Seriously, that wouldn’t be possible if it was a rarity.
They’ll rape animals and men, too, because they’re rapists. Women and children are smaller, so they are preyed on much more, but if all women disappeared tomorrow, they’d still rape whatever else they could whenever they could.
Sure, this could be a political ploy in this case, I know nothing. But the reason such a ploy is believable is because it’s so common.
It’s way more prevalent than most men want to admit, that’s for sure.
Women have either been victims themselves or know someone who has been a victim. The rate is close to 1 in 3 women have been raped.
It’s 1 in 5, but it is still a lot and way too high.
It depends if you’re looking worldwide or at the US. It also depends if you’re looking at reported cases vs unreported.
But yes, it’s still way too high.
And rape vs sexual violence. 1:2 will experience some type of sexual violence.
That’s honestly lower than I expected
What the fucking shit… This makes me gag! God fucking damnit, I hate men… and I’m saying that as a man!
Republican women are some of the most vocal rape deniers. It’s not about hating genders, it’s about the people that promote a culture where these behaviors flourish.
It’s still men doing most of the rape and sexual assault, which is what P1nkman was referring with their outrage.
I hate this game we all have to play - avoiding saying which gender it is that perpetrates rape and sexual assault the most.
It’s men. Men do it the most. Not all men rape, but overwhelmingly it’s men who rape others - women, children, and other men.
Understood.
“men” is not a fixable problem.
Republican culture is
Those men have been “fortunate” in their lives perhaps.
If a man has been homeless or in prison for any length of time, he knows you’re right, and perhaps even a little too optimistic.
I’d say half of men are predatory given the opportunity, easily, at least.
Unless the advice to the victim is ‘should have ripped off his balls’ or ‘knifed him in the dick’, it’s all bullshit.
Rapists need to suffer. Not get promoted up the ranks of the Epstein class.
I heard good things about going for the eyes and throat.
I’m not excusing rapists’ shitty behavior, but, as you said, this is far more prevalent than many of us would like. Not accepting that fact and taking steps to reduce the risk is a poor choice. I don’t turn my back on a dog I don’t know, and a woman driving around by herself and getting out of her car in the middle of the night in unpopulated areas is leaving herself at risk as a target of opportunity or even a planned attack.
Again, not saying this is okay or the way things should be, but is a realistic view of the world we live in. The talk about clothes or behavior, though (beyond that which exposes you to risk), is completely beside the point. Predators will attack targets. Stop the predators. Don’t be an easy target. Both of those should be done, but only one can reasonably be done on an individual basis.
And no, none of that makes this in any way her fault. That rests squarely on her attackers.
Could you please make a list for us dumb women so we can know what we can do without getting raped? We clearly need some help building our own prisons here.
Did it ever cross your mind that in order to live a free life we HAVE TO live with the risks that come with it?
If i look at the statistics the whole world is a fucking no go zone for us.
I understand as much as any guy can how shitty everything you said is, and it wish the world wasn’t such that those choices had to be made every day by far too many women, but let’s not pretend that this was some defining aspect of her as a woman. This was someone doing a job in an uncontrolled environment without proper safety measures. No, that doesn’t make her at fault for being raped, just like it wouldn’t be her fault if one of the signs slipped and injured her when she was by herself trying to repair it. The risks could still have been reduced if she had considered the safety aspects of the task, which includes the people in the area where she was working. Would you have been as accepting if it had been one of her team who had been raped instead in the same circumstances? Would you have been lauding her bravery and vision by empowering one of her team to do the same thing? Or would you be saying she should have thought of the safety of the people working for her? What if the candidate had been a man and his employee got raped in a parking lot at 2 AM? It was a poor choice, possibly one she didn’t consider, or didn’t consider as much as she would have for one of her staff. And again, with all that said, the rapist is completely responsible for his shitty actions.
Jfc, you can’t get out of your car at 2 a.m. if you are a woman in Arizona?
Apparently not.
I was listening to an excerpt of Jimmy Carr interview a few days ago in which he was arguing that one of best ways to combat toxic masculinity was to encourage young men to go down to the pub with the lads. That men in groups will keep checks on others within the group.
I respect Carr and his crusade against toxic masculinity, but I am a guy and a lifelong feminist (thanks mom) that grew up in an extremely misogynistic culture. Sure, my friends would have kept me in check, but that’s because we were always a mixed gender and sexuality group. Most “lads” crews I knew, once drunk and rowdy, were more likely to gang rape a girl than not if she told them off. Sorry Jimmy, humans are still way to close to close to chimp to be left unchecked.
Something tells me that Jimmy “Riyadh Comedy Festival” Carr doesn’t take ethics entirely seriously.
I don’t know how feminist I’d consider him. As I recall, he and Stephen Fry both drifted right in their politics over the past decade or so:
“the problem with American communism, which is woke, is better described as American Marxism. And what it is is instead of trying to redistribute wealth, which is a perfectly reasonable thing to want to do, they want to redistribute status. And that is a recipe for fucking madness” -Jimmy Carr
Stephen Fry ended up praising Jordan Peterson or some such, Carr started talking anti-woke politics on podcasts after being “cancelled” by a heckler.
From a student news website:
“Jimmy Carr has built his career on his deliberately offensive style of comedy – nothing is off limits and nobody is safe. His new special, aptly-titled His Dark Material, is supposed to epitomise this ethos, as Carr spends an hour bombarding his audience with endless quips about hipsters, vegans, gingers, women (including his own girlfriend, who sounds like a very lucky lady), victims of sexual abuse, little people, and anybody else he feels hasn’t been at the receiving end of enough grief lately. His pièce de resistance comes in the form of a section at the end of the special filled with jokes Carr brazenly calls his “career enders”, in which he says that few people know about the fact that an estimated half a million Roma people were murdered during the Holocaust because nobody wants to “talk about the positives”. One man’s suffering is another man’s slapstick.”
https://thestudentnews.co.uk/2022/03/03/the-charge-of-the-woke-brigade-the-case-against-jimmy-carr/
He tried to defend the Holocaust joke by saying it brings attention to non-jewish victims of the Holocaust which earned him every comedians highest achievement when going anti-woke - being defended by Jeremy Clarkson.
they want to redistribute status. And that is a recipe for fucking madness" -Jimmy Carr
He’s afraid of losing his own status. He’s a right wing tool.
I only know him for his, as of late, takes on toxic masculinity. Some are good, and some (like the one I highlighted) are dreadful.
Find culprits like Luigi found!
I appreciate the vigilante energy, but maybe we could demand that our politicians and our police forces and our DAs actually do their fucking jobs.
Let’s process the enormous backlog of rape kits in this country.
Let’s believe victims when they say they’ve been raped.
Let’s give all of the evidence of a crime over to the people who will prosecute those crimes. And then fire them when they don’t fulfill their duties.
I agree. I mean Luigi found quick, use resources to find culprits same.
I fucking hate rapists with every fiber of my being. I’d skin god alive if it meant I could torture every single rapists that has ever walked this forsaken planet. The soulless, mindless, evil you have to have in you to force yourself on someone .
My partner is a victim and I swear on any god that is listening if I ever get the chance, god have mercy on my soul the things I would do to them.
Fucking sick motherfuckers.
👏👏👏I don’t give a fuck what happens to any politician 👏👏👏
Plonk.
You give enough fucks to leave many comments here. Rape shouldn’t be celebrated.
Who’s celebrating what? Learn to read Americant
Are you drunk?
Well, even if this was politically motivated, she’s not a conservative and doesn’t have the name Charlie Kirk, so Republicans won’t give a flying fuck.
I went to Fox News to read the comment section about this. It’s as expected - vile and calling her a liar.
Horrible she was raped. I’m glad she didn’t get unalived as well. I’m going to assume she is running for office because she wanted to make a change and make Arizona better. I hope she is able to use this trauma to motivate her to make positive changes in the lives of others.
Side note, I’m surprised to read the word “rape” online again. I thought it was censored to sexual assault. I get that it’s a sexual assault but there’s been a hard no on the use of the word rape. Like how often have you seen the word rape vs sexual assault with all the Epstein news?
That’s the fucking horrendous thing about censorship. It gets us to think the horrible thing is the ‘word’.
We’re not fucking distressed about the fucking “RAY” sound followed by the “APE” sound, we’re distressed to hear that a man involuntarily pushed his dick into a woman - in the year 2026.
This kind of thing can even distance victims, making it harder for a woman to seek solace by announcing to a limited group online “My name is X, and I was a victim of rape”. Or, in a similar case, a black guy telling a group “You think racism doesn’t exist? A cop pulled me over last week, and I swear I heard him call me a n^^^^r over the radio.” Imagine the level of societal disgust/action that just doesn’t happen because people are taught they can’t talk about these things. They’re distressing? Of course they are!!
On the last note, I’ll only say that I choose to censor the N word because I’m white, and I don’t like designing “valid scenarios” for racists and trolls to get to say it, which they always want to.
Rape and sexual assault are usually seen as two different crimes. What’s the point in softening the word rape?
They seem to be used as interchangeable online and in the news for the most part. “Rape” is too real for some audiences I guess.
unalived
Fuckin’ hell. Going to start blocking you people on sight.
At least they didn’t say graped…
I did that on purpose to show the irony of the censorship happening on the internet. I also don’t know what can be stated online anymore without it being censored by someone. That was more of an after thought though.
