Because we hid all that shit, so there’s no digital data to mimic or copy from.
Mining robots won’t become computer God, silly! /s
I understand what community I’m in, but I feel like this relates to something I’ve thought about since using a rental electric vehicle. There are a lot of people who can write programs for computers. There are far fewer people who can create electronic devices reliably work in an outdoor, exposed environment. I started suspecting one reason so many charging stations want to use an app to collect payments online is because it’s easy to connect to Square or Cybersource or whatever. Making a card reader that supports magstripe, chip, or NFC and can survive being exposed to sun, rain, snow, ice, and extreme temperatures is a lot harder. Gas pumps have done this for decades, although I’m sure the roofs help, but even they had to turn to companies like Verifone when cards started using chips, and those companies didn’t make things easy (they’re why gas pumps play commercials now).
Is magstrip that’s the problem. It means as an exposed component that has to be in the environment and can’t be enclosed. NFC readers can read the chips through several millimetres of materials so they can be totally embedded.
Real solution is for North America to just get off Mag strip no one’s used it in the rest of the world in about 20 years.
They still use magstrips? That’s crazy
Mostly no. When they finally transitioned to chips in the US about 15 years ago there was a period where the card issuers maintained the liability for transactions made with stolen cards, but largely after 2015 (except for gas pumps with credit card functionality) any fraudulent transaction made using magstripe fell on the merchant to suffer the loss. Liability is a reason credit cards are much more popular in the US: if a fraudulent transaction is made the cardholder is normally not out any money, whereas a fraudulent transaction on a debit card could result in a permanent loss of money for the cardholder.
The merchants were responsible for upgrading their credit card terminals at their own cost, so that was how they incentivized upgrading. Still, some organizations with larger numbers of terminals or legacy software implementations were slow to switch to terminals that supported chips. One large local hospital and clinical medical group we visit a lot for specialists and physical therapy only stopped using magstripe this year. The front desk staff told me they were still using the old terminals because of how many they would have to replace and how those integrated with their billing software. They would have to upgrade everything: thousands of terminals across a dozen hospitals and many more clinics along with a major software upgrade or change of providers, and as a non-profit organization owned by the state’s public university system that wasn’t prioritized until it couldn’t be sustained any longer.
And as @[email protected] said, merchants have the option to swipe the magnetic strip if the chip has a read error, but the merchant is then risking the liability for a fraudulent purchase.
It’s still available and on your card but it’s only really used when the chip doesn’t work
Yeah the US banking system is really archaic. They still use signatures as a form of security.
I’m really not sure what the resistance to modernisation is. But it causes all sorts of problems like this, that the rest of the world just never experiences.
Quiet. I know there are atonomous haul trucks, but let’s forget about them for the sake of the joke
Robots do, there is anlot of automation now in big mines, Copper be extracted in ElTeniente mine in chile, in the middle of the andes and the “miners” can sit comfortably in a control room in the city of rancagua with a cup of coffee.
Those machines are not robots in the sense that they can do stuff at least partially autonomously. Everything is tenor controlled, i.e. There’s a human in the loop at all times. Present day robots can’t even do the simplest tasks without being teleoperated.
Automation of robotics in an uncontrolled physical environment is so, so hard to program for.
This is why we got advanced language, music, art, speaking models first. There’s SO much of that data (they stole and pillaged every scrap, but the fact is that it exists) that models can be trained on.
There isn’t vast stores of raw sensor data that maps physical environments to servo, hydraulic, pneumatics correlated with optical, heat, tactile feedback etc.
If you think about how uncoordinated toddlers are, and how many years it takes to map all the inputs humans receive and learn how that translates to our environment so we can move around without much thought, you’ll kind of get what I mean. That information just hasn’t been collected on a large scale in a way that machine learning can train on it.
This is the underlying challenge of autonomous robotics. We’ll get there, but for now we still need humans controlling pretty much everything that doesn’t have an ultra-controlled space like factory floors.
I was in a grocery store the other day and they had some sign on a Roomba looking thing that was struggling to navigate the produce section. I can’t imagine how hard it would be to create a machine that can reliably and safely mine ores autonomously.
Who cares as long as thr dangerous work in the mines is not handed out to children and other victims of capitalism anymore?
oh and that mine I cite, El Teniente is state owned so the profit turns into hospitals and schools.
I wasn’t saying automation is a bad thing, i just said it’s not the same as robotics.
I think you’re conflating the term “robotics” with “autonomous robots.”
Robotics is a very, very old term.
Robotics has been a field long before the current AI hype started. It’s been about sensory and precise motors and steel mobility under all sorts of conditions.
people have been complaining about machines taking jobs since the 1800’s
Those robots are expensive! They’re not gonna risk something worth so much on anything dangerous - let the worthless humans do that shit!
I forget which roman senator it was, but in his writings he does say that it is better to pay free-men to work on, eg, malaria invested areas than slaves.
Why? you don’t risk your Capital (slaves). Same thing here
Kill the meat, save the metal
Hail the Omnissaiah
Taste the meat, not the heat!
I mean, have you SEEN the price of copper lately??!
The other day I learned about fatbergs and the people tasked with climbing down into sewers with shovels to remove them. Can’t this be a job for AI? Please?
When the system is designed for it they can use robots to clear them. We already use them to clean pipes.
Not ai, just robots. They don’t need “ai” for that.
Well, from what I’ve read, it’s a job that involves a lot of unexpected complications that has resisted automation. In fairness though, I’m not sure how much machine learning in its present form would help?
They… are?
I was going to say the same. Robots are doing all that right now. But also that robots are not AI but robots can use AI. Don’t need AI to do 90% of shit we need em to do.
Yeah, as an automation engineer, I freaking hate this narrative. “I want the AI to do the dishes not write music”
You don’t need AI for that, you have automation for it. further automation might be cool too, but the LLM has no place in doing a useful task like that.
You can tell most people making this narrative haven’t ever been to a factory
I hate the ai boom.
We needed to continue to advance automation. Weve had it for years and its all we need. It just needs to continue to improve!
Why bring on this fucking massive philosophical and ethical issue in an already crazy world? What the fuck are we even doing here?
Giving value to shareholders or something like that :/
Why don’t robots do something useful, like transporting things, washing the dishes or my clothes!!1!
empties the dishwasher and hops in a car
It’s more important to them to get the educated out of their way
If a robot is being remote-controlled by a human, surely that’s using Real Intelligence, not Artificial Intelligence
That wouldn’t really be counted as a robot. Remote controlled machinery has been around for a long time.
You don’t know what robots are, then. Your dishwasher is one
I showed my dishwasher a captcha and it was just standing there like an absolute dumbfuck. Robot confirmed.
Dishwashers are pretty stupid.
I have been a dishwasher at several of my jobs.
Am I a robot?
That’s stretching the definition to the point where it’s entirely meaningless.
I suggest you consult a reputable dictionary
“But that would be to expensive when one is damaged!” /s
The year is 2056, and congress has passed universal healthcare into law with a supermajority, but only for robots.
As long as they don’t solve material coat issue for sophisticated and specialized robot, let alone how their ai work without failure, robot will always be defeated by ol reliable cheap human miners.
Allegedly the reason can be found in the published Epstein files. But the people told me never pointed me to an exact portion, though it was something in the lines of:
Can you operate these image recognition and similar systems in reverse? That could be used for art generation, and we could dethrone the left from its ivory tower.
Is the implication that this quote comes from inside somewhere in the Epstein Files?
