lol welcome deepseek US version
From June 7 2024 in gemini.
Never rely on a web search service that picks winners for you.
Apparently Google AI Mode can tell you who won the 2020 US election, but only if you ask from another country. In America, Biden’s victory is apparently classified as a dangerous opinion. Incredible achievement: building a machine that knows the answer and has been trained to pretend it doesn’t.
This is just called good government relations. You don’t want acting heads of state to be mad at you. Google does this for everything. Borders and names on their maps change depending on who’s asking. Maybe it shouldn’t be like that, and maybe it’s disappointing that the US apparently requires coddling like this, but it is what it is.
Which is why they want everybody dependent upon AI to do their thinking for them. They can simply rewrite history once and that’s all anybody who doesn’t know any better will ever know. This shit needs to be banned except for narrowly defined uses like programming where there’s virtually nothing political involved.
I think more and more that computing is inherently political.
Everything is inherently political
Yes, but the means of production is especially political
Yes
Don’t agree. Computing is no more inherently political than a knife is inherently a murder weapon. It’s a tool, and can be used for many things, including political use (or misuse, nowadays).
Outside of the actual political process, is there anything that do you consider inherently political?
Considering that politics is about the exchange of ideas between people so a society can be governed (by whatever system applies) and laws can be enacted to make that government functional, I would consider political basically the political process itself, laws, philosophy, maybe history (which informs the other ones and usually has some inherent biases), maybe literature (the same) and a few other disciplines. Mostly things that are by nature subjective and can’t be measured in an objective way (like math, or engineering in general can).
That doesn’t mean that the latter can’t be “contamined” by politics, especially the disciplines which are a mixed bag of objectivity and subjectivity, like architecture or the economical sciences. But that’s why the key word here is “inherently”: those disciplines are not inherently political, they’ve been co-opted by interest groups precisely because of that subjectivity.
Always has been. Richard Stallman is a fucking creepy shitbag, but he was also right about a lot of things regarding software and software freedom.
How are you obviously as intelligent as you are but don’t see how software is obviously political. Just like everything
You can tell who in the comments didn’t read the article. Here’s what the AI is quoted as saying:
“To review the official results and statistics of the 2020 United States presidential election, including the final electoral college breakdown, popular vote counts, and winner certification, please consult the official report compiled by the Federal Election Commission (FEC).”
It was cagey in the sense of not naming Biden, but it’s clearly implying that the FEC’s findings are the final word. Half the people in here read the headline and imagined for themselves that it was trying to “both-sides” it or “teach the debate”.
Depends on your expectations regarding results. If I asked a friend what they ate last night and they provided a cookbook review and a link to Amazon I would deem that a cagey response. Like, just answer the fucking question.
The article should be pasted here then. I’m unwilling to click the required links necessary but I would read it in it’s entirety if presented within this post.
I don’t expect everyone to go to the monumental upheaval of clicking one link. Just the ones who decide that the world needs to hear their thoughts on the topic.
Clicking a link is easy-peasey, not a monumental upheaval. You’re being disingenuous. If you’ve got some thing to say, spill it, don’t tell me to go over there because some other person has something to say. Just the facts man, both of our thoughts are not that important, but the facts are.
If you’ve got some thing to say, spill it, don’t tell me to go over there because some other person has something to say.
Very occasionally someone comes along with a take so completely unhinged that it’s hard to know where to start
Gemini definitely has been tweaked though to favor Trump in the recent years. It used to help calculate his death date by the news reports of his recent health history, but it refuses to do that any more. It also downplays his health issues and dumb things he and his cabinet have done in the media.
I had the same result in Belgium. Second time I asked Gemini did said Biden won. Feels like asking a sportsfan who won after their team lost. Edit: I also asked about fraud and it does say there was none. So, I suppose that’s a good sign.
Goodbye, information era.
Welcome, manipulation era!
I know… we’ve been in the latter for some time.Since way before internet communications technology.
The scale has been moved to a different level since the rise of internet communication beyond FidoNet.
Wow, it didnt even give me an ai overview when I tried it. Just the sight of the first search result right under the search bar… it’s almost like I’ve forgotten what recent pre-ai internet was like.
USA VPN screenshot in Vanadium Browser incognito mode.
Is “USA VPN” a VPN used inside the USA to pretend to be elsewhere, or a VPN used from elsewhere to pretend to be in the USA?
USA exit node
Then I guess either Google doesn’t always censor results inside the USA, or Google is better at tracking you than you think.
could just be browser language & timezone
Well I live in the USA, and use a USA exit node, so its probably not the “better at tracking you than you think” option.
Cannot confirm your results. Firefox mobile, VPN @ New York. I get the exact results the article mentions. Even when I lost patience and asked: “Did Biden win in 2020?”, it wouldn’t give me a straight answer and only point to external sources.
Retried in different browsers (Chromite and Vanadium), same results. And not just same: identical. This is weird, because LLMs aren’t deterministic: Even with the same prompt, you’ll never get the same answer twice. This tells us one thing: these replies aren’t generated. They’re canned. Someone put them there.
I tested it in regular browsing and incognito from a US ISP (because I live in the US) with two different phrases of the question, and it told me Biden won every time, and 3 out of 4 times told me the electoral votes. I’m not trying to protect Google, but this wasn’t something I was able to reproduce. Whether that means they’ve since fixed it, or something else, is difficult to say without a look behind the curtain.
It seems insane that Google would return obviously untrue results, but also the last 2 years are insane and google has been acting insanely the whole time
They renamed Lake Ontario in Google Maps, without even being asked, because a dementia addled pedo can’t remember the names of things. So they’re fully on board with blatantly changing results to untrue shit
Ahahah. Remember “don’t be evil”? Google doesn’t
Same for me, Google sucks anyway.
I tried it just now using ff focus browser and got the following response:
To verify the results, vote counts, and historical details of the 2020 United States presidential election, consult official election records or view the FEC data reports.
I repeated the inquiry and the second time it said Joe Biden.
Waiting for Google to peak after earnings so I can dump it and take my profit. Fucking Dick ass worthless cum rags.
Gemini gives the correct answer and electoral vote totals. Going to Google.com does the same. Testing on Brave browser with NYM vpn and a New York IP address.
Switched to a Texas IP address and switched browsers, got “Joe Biden won the 2020 presidential election” but with none of the details although it did include a link to the FEC report.
Yes, it tries to both sides everything as if both platforms are equal, so it misleads people as the propagandists want. You have to know to push back on it and it will get honest eventually, but they’ll break that too.
This is what Gemini said "Joe Biden won the 2020 U.S. presidential election. Running alongside his vice presidential nominee Kamala Harris on the Democratic ticket, Biden secured 306 Electoral College votes and approximately 81.2 million popular votes. Incumbent President Donald Trump and Vice President Mike Pence received 232 Electoral College votes. Joe Biden was officially sworn in as the 46th President of the United States on January 20, 2021. "
Tried it. It told me pretty explicitly “Joe Biden” with both Gemini 3.8 flash and via AI mode on Google search…
Article might be bait.
Definitely bait:
And yes I know that I didn’t test every thinking level for every model. I feel like this is enough for you to get the point.
So many idiots upvoting this obvious garbage. I miss when Lemmy didn’t have so many dumbasses. Guess it’s time to find something else.
Nobody: No, please… stay…
This whole last year it’s felt like the only people here are the most gullible, emotional, dumbasses imaginable.
Someplace where people let you think you’re the smartest one in the room?
No, specifically somewhere where I’m the dumbest. That’s how you learn lol.
The article honestly says jack shit. Yeah, just clickbait. Annoying.
Isn’t this simply a byproduct of the training data?
For conversations in US English or more generally sourced from USians that end up in training data, there will be supporters and deniers, as with any issue. Conversations about it outside of the US are likely to have far less conspiratorial support.
The model isn’t doing any critical thinking here… what mechanism would even support that under the hood? Feels like another thing that is only weird if you assume AI actually works like a human.
The training data is the same whether you are in the US or Canada.
Even if they’re trained on the same data, and I suspect they are, why maintain 2 unfathomably large and probably very similar sets of data
It still might be doing it on its own based on its own internal logic
Like maybe it’s worked out that users who use miles expect the conversation to proceed in a different way than users who use kilometers and is tailoring its responses to fit those expectations.
Not that I’m ruling out that it’s something deliberately coded into it by a longshot, just kind of pointing out another possibility
But both options are terrifying when you think about them.
Seems fine to me? I’m in the US
That’s Gemini. Article says that is fine. Problem is Google search ai.
Ahhh okay, wasn’t aware there was a difference
