Please understand that this is not me bashing Sweden at all, I am just a bit surprised that compensation packages aren’t that great in Sweden and I would like to understand how compensation packages in other countries are seen at. I worked in the Netherlands, Belgium and Germany and due to my work I know what the packages look like in France, Ireland, Spain and Italy (our headquarters is located in Belgium).
I am from the Netherlands and companies offer additional benefits such as:
- Company cars (very cheap, you pay 100-500 euro per month and it includes private gas/electricity, private parking and all other costs associated with owning cars as well). I know this is limited by Swedish law (you even have to pay for switching the tyres even though this is mandatory…) For example, I drove a Tesla Model S for 180 euro per month and had 0 private costs for this, even when driving the car through Europe.
- By law it is possible to work part-time. A lot of people work 32-36 hours per week. Several governmental organisations even have 36 hours as the maximum hours per week. In Sweden just 40 hours seems the norm.
- 4-12 vacation weeks. Let’s say you have 24 days off per year and you start working in August, you can already take 2 days off in September without any debt as supposed to how it’s working in Sweden (what is up with the strange vacation days thing where you earn them between April and March???).
- Good budgets for education purposes, especialy people with a ‘higher education job’ have between 2500 and 5000 euro per year. I know multiple people who did a masters while working, getting paid time off to study
- Much more team building activities, ski trips and free food (again, this is limited by the Swedish government). When I was living in the Netherlands, I was invited to company and supplier/customer dinners almost every month, and I didn’t have to pay tax for it as it is in Sweden (my former colleagues are laughing when I tell them I need to pay tax on food when I am working late…)
- A 13th or even 14th month of salary
- Getting 100% of your salary when you are sick for a few days. If you are sick for a longer period (for instance a burnout), you get 70-80% but in most cases you get 100% of your salary, meaning there is not obstacle to calling sick
How is this seen in Sweden? I know a lot of people really like unions, but they want to achieve what already is the standard in some other countries in Europe. Is this one of the reasons why it is hard to find higher educated staff (something a lot of entrepeneurs within my network have issues with)? They just get much more salary in other countries and simply move over there.
I really like the working atmosphere here in Sweden, but when it comes to total compensation packages, it is very, very low, especially compared with the costs of living in Sweden. I have a good base salary, but without the additional benefits, at the end of the year I have less more to spend and save, even though my salary is 25% higher than when I moved here from the Netherlands.
Again, I don’t want to insult anything or anybody and I understand there are big differences, but when comparing the average salaries and compensations in Sweden to aruond 7 other European countries, it feels like Sweden stayed in the 90’s and all other countries innovated.
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The original was posted on /r/sweden by /u/ObservationalWizard at 2023-08-07 10:29:13+00:00.


thisisboron at 2023-08-07 11:08:23+00:00 ID:
jv58qdzA normal work day would be 8-5 (or 8-4:30 if you take 1/2 hour lunch, which is common). During lunch you don’t work, so why would it be counted as working hours?
monsterkuk1 at 2023-08-07 11:31:33+00:00 ID:
jv5awooIt’s de facto time that is removed from you by your employer - why should it not be paid?
mtnlol at 2023-08-07 11:38:22+00:00 ID:
jv5bl00It only is if you’re not allowed to leave during lunch. For 95% of jobs you’re free to do whatever you want during that your, so how is it removed from you?
eolisk at 2023-08-07 12:18:57+00:00 ID:
jv5ftquAre you able to teleport or what are you talking about? American style freedom is not real freedom.
AshiSunblade at 2023-08-07 13:46:44+00:00 ID:
jv5qiakI feel so vindicated seeing this exchange. The fact that there really is no time to do anything of your own in the lunch break hour, making it essentially just feel like work (or at least work-adjacent), was something that struck me from my very first real workday but it felt like no one ever thought about it.
Even if it’s not time spent physically doing the day’s work tasks, it still ends up taking away an hour I could have otherwise spent at home.
monsterkuk1 at 2023-08-07 11:42:49+00:00 ID:
jv5c0vzBecause you are forced to stay in close vicinity of work so can’t do anything meaningful. At best you are able to do what is effectively team-building with your coworkers
imaquark at 2023-08-07 11:12:32+00:00 ID:
jv59403It is in many other countries because you don’t really stop working during lunch. Like lunch with colleagues, in the workplace, or simply continuing to work on your mind while having lunch. People don’t really have a “switch off” work button unless it’s for manual labour or service workers. Anyway, I didn’t say it was wrong or illogical, just that it’s the odd one out compared to most other places.
thousandmilesofmud at 2023-08-07 14:22:12+00:00 ID:
jv5vhs7Im an engineer, i let go of work totally during lunch. i just talk to my colleagues. So i dont feel that im working at all during lunch. I would love to get paid lunchbreak, but i understand that im not doing anything of value. And if i was at home i would have to eat lunch anyways, so i dont feel robbed of the lunch time.
ChillitBillit at 2023-08-07 11:13:41+00:00 ID:
jv597ubDepends, at my job I don’t really have the opportunity to have lunch other than at my workplace. More often than not my lunch is spent talking about work related stuff which seems like bullshit.