We might have the majority, but 2/3 to get any of that done is a lot to ask.
Which party isn’t owned by billionaires again?
if it worked
(i already voted, assholes.)
Voting is easier than revolution
Voting and revolution are non-exclusive between each other
Far more effective too.
How? Voting can never put the working class in control, no matter how hard we vote. We need revolution in order to actually take control of society. Every major reform, even, has been taken directly because of worker organizing on the ground pressuring the state.
Vote like your life depends on it.
Because it does.
No it doesn’t
If you think you’re not in danger because your rights aren’t currently on the chopping block, enjoy your privilege while it lasts. You’re not safe, you’re just in line.
Or I was always in line and voting blue doesn’t change that. Privilege is not being in the sights of at least one of the parties
Sometimes solutions aren’t easy. Doesn’t change the fact that they might be necessary.
(Obligatory disclaimer that this comment is not meant to discourage voting. Please do.)
No, rebel. Resistance is the only way. Refuse to obey the oligarchs and their slavery. This is the way whether you like it or not. Continuing to play pretend in their system and you achieve nothing.
How’s that working out for ya? Enjoying all the change it’s brought you thus far??
Yes? Many forms of direct action benefit the participant, like joining a union.
Ahh, yes, the haymarket riot of 1886! I remember reading about how a bunch of pseudo-socialist lemmy users were at the forefront of that major change.
Hey bud. How about you give an example of change YOU took part in and not just sit around pretending the sacrifices others made for you were yours.
And while we’re at it, what union do you belong to?
If you’re going that far back, then I’m enjoying the 40 hour workweek won by unions.
And you had nothing to do with it.
It seems you’re only convinced by anecdotes.
It seems you like to take credit for shit you had nothing to do with.
You first.
I think its hilarious when people apply for a permit to protest, then show up and sing songs. Not a single person in power gives it a second thought, it make zero people uncomfortable.
Zionist transphobes wrote this.
Well okay, but it would cut into so many people’s gaming and doomscrolling time!
voting wont solve any of these by the way
It’ll do more than not voting.
Will it?
I’m not saying don’t vote, everyone should vote, but do you actually think it will change anything?
Voting is why much of it is even happening so I think you are probably mistaken.
Voting has never, in US history, improved people’s material conditions. Material conditions improved only through violent struggle and community organization. My, how the past has been whitewashed…
Yeah that’s why billionaires spend so much money trying to suppress it. And you’re helping them.
Billionaires are not a monolith, and differing interests exist among them. By the way, the same billionaires fund both Dems and Republicans lol…
You’re right, billionaires are not a monolith. Recent data says about 115 US billionaire families lean toward backing Republicans and the conservative side of issues, while only about 45 back Dems and progressive stands. Your “lol” is not a fact-based argument.
Put up or shutup.
Apathy posting isn’t “doing something”. It’s doing nothing while trying to claim your intelligence is that much greater than those that DO want change.
You should go vote. It takes very little time/effort. Heres a link to help you.
https://www.vote.org/polling-place-locator/
Then, if you have other things that you want to do to effect change, you can do those too
thats a really long way to say you dont care to read about the indigenous and what they have to say about the ongoing genocide that you so desperately want to legitimize
I read it. The whole thing. It’s flowery language and apathy. It’s edgy with no edge.
Colonization happened HUNDREDS of years before me. I want to be better. I want a system that is better. What are you doing to make it better?
I’m canvassing. I’m helping my neighbor. I’m voting. I’m pushing others to vote. It’s more than just a federal election. It’s a majority of local stuff on my ballot. I’ve seen the changes those votes make.
My wife volunteers at the food bank. We sell eggs too our neighbors at less than cost.
lmfao of course you think colonization is done and dont realize that its still ongoing. im sure youre also the type who thinks slavery is gone too.
yes you are the person on the right good job
Its easy for me now. Vote D all the way down. Dont even need to research candidates. A vote for R is a vote for fascism.
You vote for a corporate sponsored party without so much as considering the positions of the people you’re voting for? Yikes.
Yeah. If youre an R in this climate youre a peice of shit, far as I’m concerned.
My state is deep red anyway so it won’t matter a lot.
So you’re doing exactly the same thing that people who blindly support Republicans are doing?
Are these on the ballot? The only thing that will happen on this list if the dems win big is that the GOP will have less power. The Democrats have had the ability to pass all of this before, and chose not to. In fact, they built up a lot of what people oppose now.
Revolution is necessary because the capitalist state itself is not neutral, but a product of the existing economic system and the social relations therein.
What makes you think that revolution will make things better?
Revolution is the only thing that has led to improved material conditions, even in the United States. Did you fall asleep during history class, or has it been so whitewashed and sanitized at this point that people don’t even know their own history?
Haha, so the various colour revolutions made life better? The Iranian revolution has seen them move ahead in leaps and bounds? You have no idea if your side will come out on top
Some material conditions improved, yes. Overall, no. The mass movement against the Shah was successful but the working class failed to control power for various reasons, to put it succinctly.
Do you believe that the Capitalists, bourgeoisie, and fascists will just give you rights and an improved life out of the goodness of their heart? This has never happened. Working class power threatens the system, and if threatened, Capitalism will attempt to squash that working class power.
People think there’s some golden age of Capitalism which is progressive and bends to the will of the people. This is a fantasy, and has never existed ever in history.
I do believe things can change at the ballot box. Countries have come into existence through a vote, treaties have been made and broken there as well. Not saying violence hasn’t made a positive difference, but once you start using violence, you lose control of the process and the revolution you envisioned can be taken over
This is a whitewashed view of history.
Fucks sake, just say that it’s not true because it doesn’t match what you read in your Hadiths
Because worker revolution consistently improves the lives of the working class around the world. It’s a necessary step to move forward.
Sorry, I shouldn’t have led with such an open question. What i meant to say was what makes you think that it will be a workers revolution? Could the rich or the religous not hijack the revolution to further their own ends?
The rich already control the state, they don’t need a revolution to do so. More workers than ever support socialism in the US, and socialist organizing is rising.
Holy shit, all the tankie propagandists are coming out of the woodwork today. This strong, simultaneous push across Lemmy to get people to not vote right before the election is totally grassroots and coincidental, you guys - nothing to see here!
I hope y’all are at least getting paid overtime.
No? I’m posting a bit less than I normally do, actually, and I’m not paid to be a socialist, I pay dues to be one. Can you take your conspiracy theory somewhere else, or perhaps validate it with anything other than vibes?
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