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    6 days ago

    dump is always worse. It is chaotic, self destructive and pulls everything and everyone further down more quickly.

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      “The Nazis would have been better if they were more intelligent and able to keep the holocaust going longer”

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        Well that escalated. I think racism, sexism, all the -isms really are a sign of stupidity, which everyone can be a victim of. Apart from very few people that are physically incapable of feeling empathy, everyone is capable of empathy. And a smarter person is significantly easier to reason with than a dumb person. I fully subscribe to the materialist idea here that not we shape our environment but our environment shapes us. And unfortunately, there is a lot of propaganda going around that tries to dehumanize others. It is easier to switch of the empathy part of your brain. The nazis were very good at this and pretty much the whole imperial core has copied their tactics. But then again psychopaths tend to gravitate towards positions of power.

        Maybe i am naive and completely wrong about all of this though. If an idiot that fucks everything up as quickly as possible is actually the most optimal way to overcome the current system, then that’s it i guess. I don’t have a leg in the game after all. I am just an observer and try to not make things worse in my day to day life.

        So yeah, maybe you are right. I really don’t want to argue about this. I want this to be over as quickly as possible, just like you.

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      It also resulted in the largest loss of soft and hard power the US has ever seen. Are the lives of you Americans more important than the rest of the world combined?

      Trump is single handedly destroying your country, which is objectively a good thing.

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        I am not american. Don’t get me wrong, I fully agree that america losing it’s imperial power is absolutely a good thing. I am just saying that it is significantly more difficult to argue with a dumb person than with a smart(er) person. And a dumb person in power is just pure chaos. Idk at the end of the day it is useless to argue about what could have happened. History unfolds the way it does and we should try and make the best of it.

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          Don’t get me wrong, I fully agree that america losing it’s imperial power is absolutely a good thing.

          No you don’t, you explicitly said that a more competent manager and maintainer of imperial power is better

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            i also said in another comment that i don’t think that the trajectroy would have changed with a more intelligent capitalist at the top. It is still capitalism after all. Self destructive system with falling profit rates and all. I definitely didn’t want to imply that i want it to maintain its power for longer.

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              Then you’re wrong completely. The effects of capitalism can absolutely be slowed down. They’ve been doing it for a century. And every time the US does it, the world suffers for it.

              Which is exactly why we need MAGA. We need people like Trump to collapse the US. Americans will suffer but its for the best. The world has to progress.

              The US regressed thr world by sacrificing millions of third worlders. If the price of global progress is a few thousand dead Americans, that’s a bargain

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      You are making a clear case for his being allowed to continue vandalizing the american empire

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        fair point. I think however that the trajectory the USA is on would not have changed significantly even with the Democrats in power and the world would have maybe avoided at least a few tragedies. Not the big one in Palestine, obviously. Everyone seems to be on board with that one. But i don’t know, to be honest with you. I just hope that that whole shit is over sooner rather than later …

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          That’s true, a wounded animal lashes out. But these death throes, as dramatic as they are, are still so much less deadly than business as usual. It’s like the last set of nazis: putting them down did require incredible violence, but nowhere near as much violence as they would have visited on the world otherwise.

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              I worry about it too, how to help people and how to prepare. I hope that the American state’s terminal belligerence can force enough of the rest of the world into cooperation against it to create the kind of framework we need to deal with the worst of climate collapse and maybe nurse our planet to better health. But yeah, with the bottomless depravity we know the empire is capable of, you’d be crazy not to be worried. It can be paralyzing when you try to take in the scale of the threat, and in these times I find refuge in trying to build with what few real life comrades I have.

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                I have those hopes and fears too. I also hope that the rest of the world can contain and mitigate our damage, but I also don’t think anyone is coming to save us. It’s going to be up to us to save ourselves.

                I am optimistic that we can do that, even though it will be painful

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            Oh, total agreement there. I’m not saying that the American empire shouldn’t die, just that it will cause damage when it does.

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      I want the USA to self-destruct actually. And pulling some of the imperial core with it isn’t the worst either.

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        yeah absolutely. The core can go to shit. I was rather talking about all the collaterals that have to suffer as the dying empire lashes out in desparation/confusion.