• Talcosis@lemmy.zip
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    5 days ago

    It actually specifies property in general. Now, I know tankies like to see that and append “private” in front, but Liberalism has been around for hundreds of years longer than marxism, and prior to liberalism, property was handed out by the king, and owning property meant you were a noble.

    The idea that non-nobility can own anything, including personal property, is a liberal idea.

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      5 days ago

      I know tankies like to see that and append “private” in front

      Private property is meant to include personal ownership of things other than land.

      prior to liberalism, property was handed out by the king, and owning property meant you were a noble.

      You’re talking about land… In most systems of feudalism the king granted land to the landed gentry who would then rent out that land for income.

      Individuals still owned personal property like homes, businesses, and horses. They just didn’t own the land that property occupied.

      The idea that non-nobility can own anything, including personal property, is a liberal idea.

      That’s just wildly inaccurate… People have been owning different types of property since before recorded history. The only places this isn’t the cultural norm for humans in general is a select sect of small communal societies who share everything.

      There are people who will claim that the property isn’t truly owned because it’s on someone else’s land. But that would be like saying you don’t truly own your home if you have to pay property taxes.

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      5 days ago

      personal property is a liberal idea

      Hahaha holy shit man I can’t, you heard it here first folks, owning things was invented in the 1600s, nobody had stuff before that and no society had laws or ideas about it.

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        4 days ago

        Unironically yes. Only nobles owned things before that. That’s what made you a noble.

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          What? Who taught you that? How did the merchant class develop in the 11th century by buying and selling things unless they at one point owned them?

          Are you conflating wealth with nobility?

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          3 days ago

          I gotta get some of whatever it is you people are taking. The amount of confidence to talk about something I know absolutely fuck all about and just pretend I do. It’s honestly impressive that you do it as you do.