This still needs to be said.
Nothing against anyone, but whenever someone says “Oh but housing costs and other issues!” when talking about trans rights or “But all lives matter!” when talking about BLM…it just really irks me. Multiple things can be true at the same time. Like this meme says, it’s not a pie.
Please…be kind to each other ❤️
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I do enjoy pie
Ooh, Miisha’s in based mode today!
As long as men continue to believe it is their right to have the whole pie, they will continue to consider it an attack on their rights to suggest that women should also have pie.
In some countries I’d say yes, having the right to beat your wife is definitely not okay and it’s the same the other way around.
What country has the right for the wife to beat their husband?
You’ve done your share of this, but for the readers :
Rights for men need assistance, and international mens day is soon.
There are still problems for men in female dominated industries and over custodial rights over children and other areas.
Literally help some brothers out.
First step is to find out when international mens day is
Hold up.
This thread was about how some people mistake “equal rights for women” to mean “special privileges for women”, and you’re coming in here to complain about special privileges for women?
Do you see how you’re making the very mistake that the OP was about?
To be clear: the things you brought up are real problems, but they aren’t caused by equal rights for women. They’re caused by patriarchy. We have the same enemy here. Undercutting feminist organizing will not strengthen the men’s liberation movement, it will weaken it.
Do I always have to put full context for things? All the moaners would not have tried tearing my point to shreds if I began with “yes and just like women’s rights, mens rights…” And then they’d be ok?
It’s the cry of someone that’s disenfranchised. We’re allowed some leeway
I think it’s less failing to add sufficient context to your comment and more… well, it’s impossible to escape the context of the original post.
If you made a post advocating for men’s issues, and someone came in there to comment “but what about women’s issues”, I’d be on your side there. (I mean, assuming that the post itself is decent.)
There’s just no need to undercut someone posting in favor of a social justice issue because you have a related issue that you want to promote.
Especially when the way that you do it (conflating “asking for equality” with “asking for privilege”) kinda implies that the opponents of the post have a good point.
Whereas none of what you’re saying is wrong, there is a time and a place for it and here and now isn’t the time or the place.
I’ve worked in those female dominated industries and I’ve had to put up with appealing behaviour from colleagues that they would never tolerate from males. Some even try to dress up their man-hating gender tribalism as feminism, despite the fact that they wouldn’t know who Simone de Beauvoir or bell hooks were or what intersectionality was it they slapped them round the face.
However, you doing the above in threads like this only emboldens, justifies and further entrences the behaviour of the worst kind of people in those industries.
There is a problem with women needing more rights than they do now and we should be able to have that conversation without anyone piping in with “but whatabout men!” It doesn’t help to do that. If anything, it actually makes it worse and I think that your intention is to make things better.
Well, the reason why I’m going it now is because men’s day is next week; and I do not want to be like the fucks who post “get out and vote” on the day a vote is taking place, not taking into account that people need to register to vote and etc.
I want people, especially women , to do things on international mens day for all kinds of reasons. But I want them to at least learn when it is themselves.
I’m going to be going back to not mentioning it in female adjacent spaces after that day, no worries.
But if I see people complaining about chuds on march 8 I am going to be asking them how they took actions to avoid this
I’m not saying you don’t have your reasons. I’m trying to help you understand that you’re making things worse, despite your intentions. Although I can see the logic, the timing doesn’t change that. There’s plenty of threads to do that in where it won’t make things worse and we should keep these spaces just for this, regardless of the date.
I seems we won’t agree here but I thought you deserved an explanation rather than having a go at you the way other people have.
So make a seperate post for it, stop trying to take these women’s pie here and make it your own.
Read the op meme. Equal rights for men doesn’t mean less rights for women. It’s not a pie.
This post isn’t rights, it’s a one off thing.
If you actually gave a shit about men you would be talking about it at other times. Instead the only time you bring it up is to take away from when women talk about their issues.
I just got banned off microblog memes for talking about men’s rights and representations in a misandrist thread
Says you were banned for repeated rules violations.
Also once again, you went into a thread and complained about men having it bad? Why aren’t you out there making your own threads to raise awareness of these issues you only care so much about when someone else says something.
Hey brother you could help me out by not referring women as females. You’re making me look bad here!
Sure, give me the equivalent of “male dominated industry”
Yeah, that’s how you extend a hand and build bridges.
Good luck with the chuds on 8th of March, I don’t want to hear a peep out of you.
EDIT : Seriously, they’re called “male dominated industries” in “feminism talk”. How do you want me to refer to their other gender equivalent, slur redacted dominated industries?
https://ggdf.org/report-women-in-male-dominated-industries/
https://worldmetrics.org/male-dominated-jobs-statistics/https://www.quora.com/What-industries-are-female-dominated?share=1
you first chud
what do you even mean by this?
maybe try building bridges yourself first before you put the burden on the oppressed group. saying “what about mens issues” doesnt really endear you to anyone, in case you failed to notice.
It’s literally the meme. Us needing more help doesn’t take things away from women.
your self awareness is insufficient for this interaction. goodbye.
Hey, you did the thing.
Why do you want my slice of pie too? That’s so rude.
Equal rights for everyone doesn’t mean less rights for fragile white straight men.
There, I think that’s a bit more accurate, since this is what’s actually happening.
Misogyny and patriarchy is a global issue, it’s not the sole realm of white people.
but what if we solved shortage of pie by baking more pie instead of throwing all the pie marginalized people might get on the ground and stepping on it until they stop reaching for it?
Tbf I think some of it is that the patriarchy didn’t treat men and women equally and some (fragile white straight) men take the whole equal rights thing to be equal rights rather than gaining all the advantages that society historically gave to men while not ceding any of the additional “rights” (more like advantages) society had given only to women.
Its two pies in a trench coat?
Yeah, the “feminism has gone too far” dudes I’ve interacted with always have an argument along the lines of:
“Suicide rates are higher among men, men have lower life expectancies, men always have to be tough and provide even when they suffer. Even then, we (men) don’t complain.”
In my experience, everyone recognizes that the patriarchy that sadly still exists is harmful. But despite this, instead of collaborating to eliminate it, there’s always a “men vs women”, or “straights vs gays” and so on. It’s so illogical and brain-dead, but it still does.
Even in this thread there are STILL some making it a “yeah but men…”
Like bruh… Y theythink you’re doing something good and making a point but like… They’ve missed it ENTIRELY.
While rights may not be a pie, attention definitely is.
“Oi, wench, that pie aint gonna bake itself!”
/S obviously.
We doin pies now?
Finally, I’m old enough to see a vaudeville revival!
it is fewer rights for misogynists though
they’ll no longer have the right to dehumanize womenand I’m okay with that
If you look at court cases, the religious “right” most clung to by religion is the right to discriminate against others.
Losing privilege feels like losing rights.
Dehumanizing women isn’t a right…
It absolutely is in the majority of the world still.
it sure shouldn’t be
it is in some countries
but Mu Freedom of Speech!!!
First time I see “It’s not pie” banner for women rights. Great and much accurate, just thought it’s more a queer folk slogan. It’s for us all (the banner is not a pie, to fight over).
The more You know. Thanks for sharing.
it isn’t pie, but we do HAVE pie.
Well said!
but we still do HAVE pie, right? I’m not showing if we stopped doing that.
Yep!
