Authoritarianism is right wing.
There is no “left wing authoritarianism”. If there is authoritarianism then it is right wing.
Yes, even that country. That one, too. And that one. Now you’re starting to get it.
Rightists love to use leftist labels whenever it suits their purposes. It’s called “propaganda”.
Sure, if you use your own alternative definition of the terms, then all bets are off.
Authoritarianism is about how you’re pressured or forced to do things, and left/right is about what those things are.
I know that if we get too nuanced about all the many many dimensions of politics, then we’ll spend so all our time fighting semantics and get nothing done. But if you simplify down to a single axis then the terms lose all meaning and you likewise can’t communicate anything of meaning.
There is 100% left wing authoritarianism, look at China today.
Statist chuds come in both flavours.
You mean fascism with red characteristics
There is left wing authoritarianism
https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/psychology/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2022.1041391/full
That article literally equates liberalism and leftism. Those are different, distinct things.
You know, it’s almost like the authors are just carrying that right-wing propaganda instead of checking the actual definitions of the terms they’re using…
Liberalism is centrism.
When people thought the Earth was flat, they were wrong. When people thought the Earth was spherical, they were wrong. But if you think that thinking the Earth is spherical is just as wrong as thinking the Earth is flat, then your view is wronger than both of them put together.
The authoritarian left is bad
The authoritarian right is bad
But if you think that the two are equally bad, then you’re wronger than wrongMao, Stalin, AND Hitler ALL genocided within their own territory, whether intentionally or not ( Mao wiped-out knowledge-workers, creating massive famine, ttbomk )
The whole “horseshoe political-spectrum” is failing-to-understand that there actually is a different dimenion involved…
Considered-reasoning only lives in the middle,
& imprint->reaction-mind owns both extremes, AND it also owns many who nominally are “center”.
Kahneman’s “Thinking Fast and Slow” is on the difference between the 2 kinds of mental-function,
and to the best of my knowledge, the imprint->reaction mind is lower-forebrain, while the considered-reasoning mind is upper-forebrain.
ALL ideology/prejudice/“religion” ( religion, not spirituality, which is considered-reasoning rooted ) is rooted in the imprint->reaction bypassing-actual-thinking mind.
The Catholic inquisition, the murderers of any religion, the murderers of any political-ideology, etc…
I simply cannot understand how anybody could maintain that the ideology-genociding-of-the-left OR the ideology-genociding-of-the-right OR the ideology-genociding-of-religions OR the ideology-genociding-of-racism OR the ideology-genociding-of-gender-racism ( the inquisition was part of that, the Muslim immigrant gang-rapes committed in their new countries is part of that, the male-supremacist-vote which helped block Harris from winning in the US is part of it, the fact that rape is a pretend-crime in actual-practice is part of that, as the male authorities just don’t consider it to be a “real” crime, if its “only” against girls & women, the scum who rewrote Genesis millenia ago, to alter it from saying that women “ate of the fruit of the knowledge of Good & Evil” ( which it still says ), to instead “interpreted” that, right in the text, so that instead of meaning that women ate of moral understanding ( altruism is demonstrated to be generalized-mothering, in wasps & humans, & grandmothers in the tribe are a significant tribal-survival-advantage, through deep-time/evolution )…
Is the intentional-genociding of Tibetans & Uighurs “OK” because it is being done by the left?
Was Stalin’s force-exterminating millions of his own country’s people somehow OK?
XOR is it that the genociding of fascists doesn’t count?
Obviously, you hold that I, like the original-poster am beyond-reason, beyond wrong.
That’s fine.
I’m fed-up with being gaslit by ideologues, & ideologues are equally fed-up with all who are not within their ideology, obviously.
Which is the essence of The Great Filter, in-which humankind will either lock entirely into imprint->reaction mode & simply tantrum/pogrom until all our kind is extinguished,
XOR some fraction of humankind will do all they can to lock-into considered-reasoning, & do everything they can to continue force-evolving, while surviving the apoctalyptic-nihilism of the ideologues…
I don’t expect the total-war to cease until the end of this century, once it starts ( in the 2030’s, probably )
Party-fascism ( which is what “communism” actually is ) & individual-fascism both are intolerant of healthy-diversity.
Collectivist-evil & individualist-evil are equal-“powers”, just different in methods & in their self-programming.
… shrug …
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Oh wow, authoritarianism bad? What a hot take /s
And yet look at the votes and comments.
Difference between communists and Nazis is that one of them lost a world war.
The other lost a cold war, what is your point?
Thoughts on “On Authority” by Engels?
Low tier garbage rant about revolutionaries vs reformists.
It’s the equivalent of a 19th century reddit rant complaining that people don’t want to bow down to authority until we’re magically all ready.
How was it wrong? Use specific citations from the text
No.
Theory is for idiots, time would be better spent on praxis than sitting around circle jerking about what we would do.
Authoritarianism is wrong yet you’re correct without any room for discussion?
Would you have a discussion in favour of racism or homophobia?
I don’t engage JAQing off.
Bigotry is wrong because innocent people are presumed to be evil or guilty based on a presupposition
Give me the same line of reasoning against the text, just one, reference it directly
Engels was a bourgeoisie cunt that doesn’t understand what the word “authority” means.
Can you elaborate on how he was wrong with specific citations from the text?
Here’s a video full of them. I am done and fulfilled my end of this interaction. I will not fall victim to tankie sealioning.
Can you personally give me one example? Tell me roughly where it is in the text? Just one
This is some shit a 14 year old would think is deep lmao
Life is far more complex than a simple good/bad dichotomy. If one is bad and another is much worse; they are absolutely not the same and you actually help the worse one by essentially sane washing the depraved lengths they willingly and want to reach.
With L/R, one has greedy and corrupt outliers and compromised leadership while the other is a majority of grifting hateful racists and sexual abusers who are also greedy as fuck.
You do bad people a service when you smooth out the good/bad gradient into a solely boolean concept. All nuance is lost, and that only helps those in bad faith.
Lol “the genocides my guy committed were just outliers”
Life is more than black and white, that’s why when you’re presented with a black or white option and they both suck you find a different option, you don’t defend the less sucky one.
And left wing authoritarianism is what you saw in the USSR or China today. It is not simply corruption and greed, it is genocide and suppression of civilians.
