-900k orcs HAHA, should be more
I’m not even Russian and I’m offended. Most of these people who died likely didn’t even want to fight, but we’re drafted anyway. Blame the oligarchy, not the people who were forced to participate.
Most of these people who died likely didn’t even want to fight, but we’re drafted anyway. Blame the oligarchy, not the people who were forced to participate
Had my father been drafted for 'nam his plan was to use his rifle to kill as many officers as possible before himself, rather than fight for the US in that war. I had the same plan in the unlikely event I was drafted for something, too
Maybe the Russians could have a backbone like that, yeah? They’re being given tools of war and willingly go off to die without a fight? Actually pathetic, and not worth sympathy
BUt ThEy wErE JuSt fOlLoWiNg OrDeRs
a 10 billion 🙃 stupid propaganda why not?
You have more in common with those soldiers than you do with the warpigs pulling the strings that led them to their deaths.
I’m pretty sure everybody on these websites knows they’re more similar to enlisted soldiers than to Vladimir Putin.
Not everybody, according to some of the comments in this very post.
So… You have a lot of common with people who are ready to go kill in exchange for money?
Oh wowzies.
Also what a damn bad dichotomy: either side with killers for money or those who pay them to kill.
For once, a normal human being will not side with either of.
edit: oh keep them downvotes coming, keep yourself counting all y’all who think killing for money is ok ¯_(ツ)_/¯.
You mean the 18-30 y/o men who are conscripted into compulsory military service for a year? Kinda sounds like a lot of them might not have much choice, barring gulag or suicide, in the matter.
Ah welcome to your private fantasy land. Enjoy it.
I just believe the righteous antipathy is better leveled at the Russian government, specifically Putin, than the anonymous cannon fodder.
I prefer to hate everyone willing to kill me, my friends, my family, take over my country equally. Especially so, if they do it for money, for ten years.
Hard to grasp such a complex concept, I understand.
I can understand why you feel the way you do and cannot dispute it is a hatred you’ve earned.
Just like I wouldn’t be able to blame any Canadian for hating every US soldier if the US were to invade Canada.
I personally feel bad for every person involved in something as horrible as fighting in a war. I wish their hearts, brains, and energies could instead be employed in something peaceful, helpful, and beneficial for the future.
I agree with both of you.
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I find this difficult to believe. Edit: Wikipedia has a total (both sides) death toll of 160k-290k.
See first comment, 900K include wounded too.
As always that this topic gets discussed: dead and wounded
Title says “lost”. I took that to mean killed.
Casualties != Death
Russian has been losing and the economy is collapsing since 2018 according to these news. Every other week I see something like this. Yet we dont see them retreating.
900k is more than 50% of there forces according to wikipedia that list 1.5 millions.
I highly doubt the accuracy of these news reports.
I travel a lot, both for work and leisure, and wherever there’s no travel restrictions for Russians, like Thailand, UAE, or Egypt, it’s simply overrun with Russian tourists. And they’re rich, too, with the latest iPhones, Apple Watches and all the other fashion brands.
As much as I’d like to see l say that Russia is feeling the impact of this war, empirically, I can’t say that it seems that way.
Classism is present in Russia too.
I watched a couple of YouTube videos from a normal guy who lives in Russia talking about what it was actually like to live in Russia around the time that Tucker Carlson did that weird state visit and he peeled back a layer of intentional propaganda that the American journalist was spreading - that Russians are living in some kind of luxury paradise. Sure, everything costs less over there, but people are also paid a lot less too. If you’re working class, it’s hard to afford enough food to put on the table sometimes. The rich, however, are not hurting for anything and a lot of big brand labels that said they would exit Russia just rebranded themselves or quietly re-entered the market after all the commotion about the war died down.
I didn’t mean to suggest that it isn’t affecting the ordinary, working class Russian. My observation is that there don’t appear to be any less affluent Russian tourists.
The richest people don’t care about the war, if groceries go up 25% that barely makes a dent. You won’t see the people who are actually suffering from this being tourists.
Yes, of course, and I agree; I was only remarking that there’s a demographic that doesn’t appear to be affected by this at all.
PSA: Losses include dead AND wounded.
If wounded means combat ineffective, I’ll take what I can get.
I’m going against the grain here, but I just think this is really sad. A lot of these people will have been decent people, loved by decent people and some have been brainwashed. It’s a horrible, terrible human cost cos of a dictator
They throw their young generations into the meat grinder just to control resources. Putin couldn’t find a way to pivot to new domestic products so now people get to die.
Fight war, not wars.
does ukraine actually have resources? russia is gigantic what could they possibly need so badly
They have some rare earth minearals and a lot of farmland.
anything fancy that russia doesn’t have ?
Not particularly, the problem is that Russia is stupid and would rather try to annex Ukraine rather than invest time and resources into the development of Siberia. Also they don’t want to actually improve things just make them worse.
Ukraine has lots of valuable natural resources, but Russia has much more of everything. The biggest reason for the invasion is most likely that Putin could not let a “brother nation” prosper and drift towards Europe and being a functioning democracy.
Russia’s population might get wild ideas if they saw that their Ukrainian cousins’ standard of living starts to rise rapidly while they have to endure living under a fascist dictator. And substandard and underdeveloped infrastructure, due to the rampant corruption and a government who doesn’t give a shit about the areas outside the larger cities.
It’s that but (playing devil’s advocate for a second) Russia “traditionally” had a huge buffer between Moscow and the evil west. If Ukraine goes European and -worse- NATO, then that evil west with their evil ideas like freedom and democracy is suddenly quite close to Moscow’s doorstep.
Fuckem.
The world allowing the few to massacre the many for their personal gain has to be what we reject in the 21st century. We need to start arresting and trying every war monger for the murders they are.
Seeing as they are still on their murderous war of conquest, obviously not enough yet.
The total number is not what you should be looking at. The interesting thing is the number of losses in proportion to the Russian recruitment capacity. They have recruitment infrastructure that enables them to recruit a maximum of 35 000 (or, according to some sources, just 25 000) soldiers per month. They are not able to restructure their recruitment procedures in wartime, as that would first decrease the recruitment capacity for a few years.
The Russia must get their losses under that number, because as long as they don’t, they won’t be able to train their soldiers – they are needed too acutely at the front for that. If they can train their soldiers, their daily losses will decrease a lot.
Neither side is going to run out of population to send to the front in the next 50 years. But they can lose them faster than they are able to recruit new ones.
this type of propaganda is useless. few people even care or believe these numbers.
Anyone know the number of Americans killed in Vietnam without looking it up?
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~58,000
This is in no way true is it? Holy shit
Did you miss the article where local officials were giving out meat grinders to the parents of the KIA?
It’s . . . not . . . I don’t . . i mean. Yeah. Putin’s an absolute monster.
If you looked at the news article, the spokesman for the Kremlin mentioned that it was what the parents had “wanted and requested” which makes it look more like the parents taking a subtle jab at the leadership because they then had to publically hand them out.
I’ll be honest: I know next to nothing about the Vietnam War, living in Germany. We just read Slaughterhouse 5 in our English class and that’s it. Given its omnipresence in culture in general, I never would have thought that so “few” people died. Don’t get me wrong - it’s still a lot of people. But compared to the 900000 it’s just a drop in the bucket.
Fuck Putin and what he’s doing to my fellow countrymen/women/people
Most of those killed in Vietnam were Vietnamese civilians
Interesting comparison. People cheering on those Russian deaths should also be cheering on those American deaths
From an odd point of view, I think it’s been good that world war 2 happened, so that we lost our grip on a lot of countries. Such as Vietnam.
Can’t really say that out loud tho aha
Also I wouldn’t exist without world war 2.
If I didn’t have sex with my wife on that specific night then my specific sperm cell wouldn’t have gone into her specific egg cell.
Existential crisis intensifies
I don’t think your existence depended on your having sex with your wife…
You might be right… unless… time travel 🤨
Plus about 300k “casualties”, which is more apples to apples with the 900k Russians.
Only about 150k Americans seriously wounded in Vietnam.
I would imagine Agent Orange and severe PTSD-induced homelessness or suicide should also contribute to that number.
have they looked under the couch?
There’s only a JD Vance there.
