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Not the only two options and I wish people would stop pretending they are. We aren’t the fucking US, we don’t have a two party system.
Well the problem about the US is that it has a first past the post system, which makes it incredibly difficult for third-parties to gain any influence. And just like the US or the UK, that also applies to Canada. So yeah, the same thing about only voting for one of these making sense does apply to you.
Technically, the US also has more than two parties.Right, I’ll take your bets on NDP, BQ or Green winning the election.
That’s not how it works. If the conservatives can’t get a majority, the liberals can form a minority government with the NDP or greens. This is what our government currently looks like and it got us dental healthcare. Minority governments can be very effective at creating social change, especially when most Canadians have to be dragged kicking and screaming into policies that benefit them.
That’s not how our voting system works. Why do so many Canadians comically not understand how our voting system works?
Oh, I understand, I also understand that no NDP ridings are safe, no Green ridings are safe, and the BQ will almost certainly be the swing vote of either the Conservatives or Liberals gain a minority.
So there are three options:
Liberal majority Liberal minority where Quebec has oversize influence Conservative minority where Quebec has oversize influence
I would not be surprised in the least if the only seat to go Green is May’s, and I wouldn’t even bet on that. I would not take for granted that Singh holds his seat either, and I would predict maybe two or three will hold on.
This one will be polarizing, and I think this one will be a two-horse race with Quebec taking third and precious little left over for anyone else.
Okay so you don’t understand what I was saying or how this whole thing works. This is absolutely exhausting.
I fully understand Canadian politics, but whatever hot take “strategic voting” opinion you have is meaningless if the ridings are polarized. There is a reason the NDP is dropping to the brink of non-party status. They aren’t going to be an option for anyone’s “strategic vote”. That works occasionally but this is not one of those years. For the vast majority of the country, it’ll be red, blue, or a wasted ballot, even in traditional NDP or Green ridings.
And you’re basing this on “I have a feeling” because there is not any hard data on this and I’m going to assume you aren’t psychic. And if you try to say polls to me when they’ve been comically wrong and biased in every election in Canada since, like, 2000, I’m just going to assume you are a moron and not worth talking to further.
Either way you slice it, throwing a vote at the NDP or Greens and staying home to file your nails is about the same thing. Your vote could help the NDP to… lose official party status, or if your heroic strategy fails the CPC will have a pointless number of seats anyway because they are about to be obliterated by the Liberal Party. I know I know, it’s exhausting that your point has to be re-explained yet again, right?
Also, speaking of embarrassing, saying that polls are not to be trusted while also saying that you should vote for a third party because the polls say they might win in your riding is a hilarious bit of cognitive dissonance. Thank you for brightening a drab Monday morning with that.
Problem is you have to strategically vote in your riding or else you’re throwing away a vote. Luckily I live in Saanich so I can vote greens.
Or, you can vote green or NDP and throw away your vote.
Yeah that’s not how strategic voting works in Canada at all. That rhetoric was stupid in the US, but it’s extra mega ultra fucking stupid to try and say in a Canadian election. If you’re going to vote against your morals to stop the conservatives or whatever you’re insinuating you have to look at your ridings and vote accordingly.
NDP has 24 seats in the house of commons so they’re winning some elections.
Singh really shat the bed in the past few months. Attacking the prime minister when we’re under attack from the US? That kind of infighting in the face of adversity is an ugly look. It’s really too bad because Singh made some amazing progress in social democracy and social welfare, he was a tough negotiator and an excellent strategist for years. He picked a bad time to lose the ball. They need a new leader, it’s too bad they’re going to lose a fuck ton of seats to get there.
My NDP candidate is amazing, I hope they win.
Attacking the prime minister when we’re under attack from the US?
Do you mean when the vote of no confidence happened? Because I remember that happening before Trump’s term. And either way—and I have to note I’m talking about the principle of the thing here as I don’t know enough about Canadian politics to have an opinion on Singh—one thing you and most other anglophone left-leaning people should realize is that trying to force unity where it doesn’t exist is a recipe for disaster. Of course a time of crisis requires prudence, but sometimes you do have to clean house before you can get anything done. And that aside, Singh has constituents he’s beholden to; he’s not running off game theory either. You might disagree with his remarks (again, I don’t know enough about Canadian politics to have an opinion on this) but I doubt he “shat the bed” just because he was critical of Trudeau.
Nonsense.
