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It’s interesting how when the Democrats are in power they struggle to get legislation across the line, get “outraged” when Republicans stymie their efforts, and eventually agree to cut bills down to the point where they’re achieving a fraction of what they were supposed to.
But when Republicans are in power, Dems seem incapable of putting up any resistance and cry to their voters that if only they just had a few more donation dollars they’d be able to defeat fascism and then turn around and let the Republicans pass whatever awful legislation they want.
It only takes a few corrupt Democrats to turn a plain majority into a stalemate.
Nailed it. That’s the scheme. Provides plausible deniability, while keeping half of the electorate from seeking options that would hurt the corporate bottom line.
Controlled ops, and Dem leaders are Republicans
That was one of the reasons I was excited that Walz was on the ticket. The democrats in MN passed a lot of progressive legislation with a 1 seat majority.
Their opposition is purely performative.
It’s a bit more than performative. It’s pacifying. It manages to convince a lot of people that it does everything in its power so said people shouldn’t feel like there’s anything else to be done but vote again next time.
Ranked choice voting would help big time. But neither party will ever allow it.
They only have one party
Ranked choice voting already exists in several local and state races, most recently DC. It’s mostly blue states, because Democrats tend to allow it. Several Republican states have legislation banning it statewide, but such laws are entirely absent in blue states.
Both sides the same!!! Except no one changes my voting district, because one to many black people moved in!
Imagine living in a balanced voting district that hasn’t changed in years. Where ideas change the outcome, not a congress and a judge distorting public power.
Anyway both sides bad and nothing weird about southern states and their voting districts.
Correct on both counts.
when Republicans are in power
That’s when Bernie starts making a hell of a noise and proposing the most progressive bills he knows will never make it.
You would have to be really stupid to fall for this, and there’s a saying for it too but when even one of their presidents can’t even recite that you know they are a lost cause.
Not pictured are the “leftists” as they’re all sitting around at home complaining about liberals.
I purchased a gun before Trump took office and have been practicing at the range, as well as encouraging everyone I know to do the same. Arm yourself and prepare, this only ends one way.
I too am a recent gun owner. I agree that preparation is necessary, but I disagree that it only ends one way. I will advocate for peaceful means of resistance until they are no longer possible. Have hope in the face of our enemies!
The enemy is fascism, and fascists are only dealt with one way. Protesting does nothing against Nazis, especially peaceful protests, it just gives them easy targets. We tried protest, negotiation, appeasement, and more when it came to Hitler and his Nazis, and only One Thing worked to get rid of them. Prepare, organize, and fight back against the fascists.
Unless your practicing in a group and developing tactics, you’re right it does only end one way.
I don’t know how many armed people are coming, but if you’re alone I do know how it ends…
Destroy the country to “own the libs”. What a world and they wanted this so they can make memes instead of trying to do anything.
interesting to look from outside, Kamala completely disappeared after losing election, that tells everything about her involvement. Compare that with Le Pen/Mélenchon in France ,who keep trying and trying and trying lol. Well not Le Pen anymore but point stands
Kamala still sends me emails asking for money, I think for the DNC. That is the problem with corporate Democrats, they think resistance looks like fundraising
As someone who voted for her, I’m completely on board with never seeing her or hearing from her again. She utterly failed — lost a (mostly*) free and fair election to a demented fascist idiot who’s destroying the country. Enough of the responsibility for our current situation rests on her shoulders that she can fuck right off forever, along with Biden, the Bushes, the Clintons, Mitch McConnell, Joe Lieberman, Newt Gingrich and all the other neocons, neolibs, and corrupt, amoral, greedy, misanthropic assholes that got us here.
She might survive as a politician if she took responsibility for the loss, and pushed for change in the Democratic party. Hopefully, she’ll do that, and not follow Clinton’s example. Seems unlikely.
- There was probably some amount of fuckery, but if the margins were as wide as they should have been, they couldn’t have pulled it off.
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Maybe Elrond should have voted against the ring.
any even remotely law abiding politician(read american “left” wing) is kinda hamstrung with the current state of affairs.
Well, when the people in charge make abiding by laws means you sit quietly waiting to die, protesting is illegal, dissent is illegal, and even having a negative opinion of them is grounds for being mentally unfit, well there’s not much you can do inside the confines of their laws.
Laws are not inherently moral or just. They will have to be broken, and by many MANY people. As my dad used to say " ‘you can have my guns when you pry them from my cold dead hands’ just leaves you a crazy lone gunman dead in the street" he was just making fun of movies when he said it, but to me it’s a call to organize.
That’s where collaboration with a fundamentally oppressive system gets you.
Voter haven’t really given them any other choice by electing more Republicans than Democrats to the senate every year for over 10 years.
Bernie and AOC seem to be organizing.
it’s a day late, dollar short. or are you ignoring the people being sent to foreign prisons
Really what else can one do besides obstruct and sue hoping to stop the tsunami of chaos that this admin embodies?
He wasn’t obstructing anything; it was just theater.
Oh? And what pray tell would the .ml solution to the situation be that is going to be so effective?
seizing the means of prediction!
anything besides performative theater is good
Such as?
it took me 30 seconds to find these on google; you should try doing the same thing.
Ah, so they should abandon government roles and formal resistance to go throw maltovs in the street…
So does Pokémon canonical have Jesus being nailed on the cross? Maybe it was Mew the only son of Arcaues? Would make Mewtwo the Antichrist?
Pre-Porygon episode Pokemon is a fucking trip
I remember there was an episode where someone pulls out an actual gun, meaning Pal World is probably more canon than people realize.
Multiple episodes had guns. There’s the banned Dratini episode of course, but James is literally robbing a store with an MP 40 in Squirtle Squad.
After the Porygon episode, right at the time Ash meets Blaine, TR only seems to carry generic bad-guy bazookas. Pokemon figured out what their identity was gonna be REAL fast.
I’d very much like to hear a mewtwo/arcaues debate on the state of the Pokemon world.
Democrats have also nothing
Can do the exact same thing with “progressives” that don’t vote.
Pretty sure progressives are doing more important and constructive things than voting for genocide.
TBH it seems like bi-partisan support and voting for genocide is huge part of growing fascism.
By implicitly voting for fascism and genocide? They gotta be tired of winning.
Good job. Your non-vote really helped.
Protest votes did not meaningfully impact the election
Its a pathetic excuse to hate fellow poor people
77 million voted for Trump. 75 million votes for Harris. Just under 3 million voted for a third party candidate of some kind. 90 million didn’t vote but were registered to vote. We don’t know the number of potentially eligible but not registered people there are. The US has an estimated 340 million population. An estimated 260 million are adults.
Care to shut the fuck up or do you want to say more stupid shit?
It’s normal in US elections for less than half the population to vote.
For local elections it’s less than a fith.
The protesters were almost all young people 30 and under, which when we look at the numbers, that group didn’t vote any differently than any other election, same as always they don’t vote in any meaningful capacity, so they didn’t effect the election in any meaningful way.
I would love it if young people voted, but they don’t.
Care to shut the fuck up or do you want to say more stupid shit? I know you won’t tho, keep convincing yourself of reasons to attack your fellow slaves XD
It’s normal in US elections for less than half the population to vote.
they don’t vote in any meaningful capacity, so they didn’t effect the election
You have no argument and you’re too stupid to realize it. You also didn’t even get the statistic correct.
https://www.electproject.org/national-1789-present
Life must be hard for you.
What a good little slave.
Master will be proud.
As I said in another thread elsewhere on the same subject a while back:
The Protest Vote Paradox™
As we’ve all read time after time in the months leading up to the election, the Protest Vote™ simply states states that:
“We refuse to vote against a Tyrant-Felon in order to send a clear and concise message that we will not stand for [roll D20 for random popular single issue], and alongside our refusal to vote against the Tyrant-Felon, is a collective hope that the aforementioned clear and concise message- if ignored, is received under unmitigated duress!”
-Cut to Tyrant-Felon’s win, and the aftermath:
Whether observed or not, the behavior of the Protest Voter will attempt to achieve the following:
• Obnoxiously tell everyone: “We told you all what would happen!”
• Onnoxiously claim there is: “No way protest voting could cause trump to win.”As both of these options cannot simultaneously be true in the same reality without breaking important time-space things that we would probably prefer not be broken- we are left with only a few logical conclusions:
- Protest voters have no idea what they’re talking about.
- Protest voters don’t understand the concept of hypocrisy.
- Protest voters have somehow learned to defy reality and become exempt from the concept of paradoxes, thus creating an entirely new study of theoretical science, known as Bulletproof Symbiotic Hypocrisy Theory, or BLsHt.
Something, something, something Ted Talk.
This is just a long-winded, inverted version of the aphorism about liberals’ paradoxical view of progressives; they’re a small, niche group, and the Democrats shouldn’t try to appease them because they’ll just alienate mainstream voters by courting this insignificant block of voters. However, progressives are somehow also a large, powerful cabal that can be blamed for every major Democratic loss.
Progressives could be the largest voting block and most still wouldn’t come out to vote. Why bother trying to gain the vote of a group that has historically low voting. There’s a reason Bernie didn’t win the primary despite massive grass roots movements.
Literally the opposite is true. People on the far-left and far-right are much more likely to vote than people in the middle.
The enemy is both weak and strong. The progressives are too small to pay attention to their requests, but cost millions of votes.
Yup, it was not lost on me that this was essentially Eco’s 8th feature of fascism. Not that the Democrats are fascists; they don’t match most of the other features, especially 6 (I don’t think it’d ever occurred to them to appeal to anyone’s frustrations), but it seems liberals have at least borrowed this rhetorical attack to punch left.
Oh progressives are definitely weak. But numerous. A simple bare minimum vote would have stopped ALL of this from happening.
But you couldn’t even do that. So yeah… weak as fuck if you ask me.
Name one moment in history where abstaining from the bare mimimim to avoid catastrophic consequences results in a net gain.
I ask this because you’re trying to make this party thing where I’d title paring attention and reading for context- you’ll see clearly that It’s an ACTION thing.
Interesting that you went to progressives so quickly though. Especially since I never even mentioned the word.
That says a LOT.
Name one moment in history where abstaining from the bare mimimim to avoid catastrophic consequences results in a net gain.
Name a point where I said abstaining from voting was good. My point wasn’t that protest voting was good. It was that you could make the exact opposite point (with a lot fewer words) using your exact logic. Which means it’s not a good point.
I ask this because you’re trying to make this party thing where I’d title paring [you mean “try paying,” maybe?] attention and reading for context- you’ll see clearly that It’s an ACTION thing.
Again, fine, let’s make it an action thing. If the protest voters were so necessary to Harris’ election, why didn’t she take any actions to win them over? That was incredibly irresponsible of her.
Are you beginning to see how all your arguments can be flipped just as easily to place the blame on the candidate instead of the voters? Do you think maybe that’s because, even though you’ve convinced yourself that what your saying is cold, hard logic, your actually just screaming your opinions at people?
For the record, I voted for Harris out of harm reduction, and I wish she’d won. However, I believe that it is a candidates job to win an election, not the voters job to get them elected. If there was a significant contingent of voters withholding their vote, I think that candidate must have been doing a shitty job.
Interesting that you went to progressives so quickly though. Especially since I never even mentioned the word.
That says a LOT.
Yeah, it says I saw more than 2 minutes of political coverage in 2024, so I knew that Harris wasn’t getting criticism for being too progressive. Grow up.
Like what.
People get upset when you say standing in a street with a sign won’t do anything, but standing in a street with a sign won’t do anything.
These guys won’t even do town halls any more. They’re not going to pay attention to paper signs on sticks.
One person standing on the street obviously doesn’t matter much, but it’s about being the change you’d wish to see. Boycotts don’t really work either. Doesn’t mean you should buy a Tesla.
Boycotts are a hell a lot more efficient than fanfare parades though.
Libs!
Liberals.
Bougie.
RvrSrs can tel buy pookaman mime
The liberal version of resisting fascism is quiet collaboration.
