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I had a look via Xcancel and they’re not arguing about the labels, they are calling it a win and saying they are the good guys
In response to the last comment in that thread:
The weather here is great?! Wtf does that even mean in this context
It’s all sunshine and rainbows here in KKK America? God smiles as we abuse minorities? I just don’t see how you can be that chill about being a racist chud
I wouldn’t try to think too critically about how a moron thought process works, you’ll hurt yourself lol
its a different version of the more used “Come on in, the waters fine” phrase. Its just a colloquialism normally used when trying to convince someone to join your team. In this context Its basically saying “dont worry, there is no downside to thinking my way”. Unfortunately the only response to this is to punch them in the throat, not because of the phrase which is harmless, but because they are a nazi, and nazi’s get punched in the throat.
Based
It doesn’t mean anything, they’re just trying to sound clever.
Taught to hate good people, by who? Elon owns it, and that guy seems like their guy. I guess it was the notorious “them” again.
It’s interesting. LLM AI made by researchers have a tendency to turn racist. It seems ones made by racists tend to the opposite.
No this person is proud of it. Completely vile. Her response to this was to call it a “w”.
If you need further samples:
Edit: apparently the dude may have deserved to be punched however take a look at her profile - it’s the racism she’s cheering not that
I don’t appreciate the racist language at all. I would like to add some aditional context on this story. It isn’t quite the support of attacking people of colour that this might seem at first glance.
Johnny Somali (real name Ramsey Khalid Ismael) was filming himself in Japan randomly acosting people in the streets. He then went to South Korea and ‘invited’ people to do something about it. He has been accused of desecrating a South Korean monument to women subjected to sexual slavery in World War II.
He was attacked by koreans, live streaming his acts and him being attacked, and has recently plead guilty in court and faces a mandatory prison sentence and banned from leaving the country.
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/27/asia/johnny-somali-prison-south-korea-hnk/index.html
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/disgraced-youtuber-johnny-somali-pleads-071036503.html
He has been accused of desecrating a South Korean monument to women subjected to sexual slavery in World War II.
Holy fuck, that’s dark.
In his words:
“Why do I do this? For money, and clout! I’m a sociopath, I don’t give a fuck!”
And then he got knocked out 2 or 3 times on the street.
I think he does, now.
I think he does, now.
I’m not sure he will even when he’s sitting in a cell.
IIRC that one correctly, yeah ,he made a big scene of streaming himself performing … lewd acts … with a statue dedicated to ‘comfort women’, ie, Koreans who were forced into sex slavery by the Japanese during WW2.
When he was in Japan, he filmed himself in a train just repeating Hiroshima, Nagasaki, a whole bunch of other very rude and rascist shit, very clearly pissing off every Japanese person in the train car with him.
Yeah and because of him foreigners in those two cou tries gets are also put in a bad light.
Yeah, when it comes to Johnny Somali, this is probably the only time I’ll agree with a fucking Nazi. Not on the using of slurs, but on the celebrating of the fucking up of Johnny Somali. Hiroshiima. Nagasaki. They’ll fuck him up once, they’ll do it again.
Lets be real, the only reason she’s celebrating it is because of the slur.
Twitter really is a fucking dumpster fire. Reading about twitter beef is iasip levels of bad people being shitty to each other
Japanese and Korean people may look the same, but they are culturally very different. Japanese people are very docile compared to Koreans. If you slap a Japanese person they may apologize to you. Koreans might slap you first.
That might be because of all the nondocile Japanese invaders they’ve had to deal with up to WWII.
But, when it comes down to it, the Japanese will drop the hammer on your ass.
Yeah, Johnny absolutely deserves basically whatever is coming to him at this point, not because he is black, not because he is a foreigner in another country…
… But because, for the last like… year? two years now?
All he does is go to random countries… Israel, Japan, South Korea, other places… and he streams himself harassing/stalking women, often physically, shouting rascist shit at random people, fuck in Israel I think he actually groped a female cop/soldier at one point?.. going around blasting music at absurd volumes in small stores, throwing food and shit everywhere, picking fights with random males …
… all because his chat donates to him with requests/demands for absurd behavior.
Its like twitch plays pokemon, but instead of a video game it is real life.
What has happened since he showed up in SK is that his infamy had gotten to a high enough level that basically the Koreans took matters into their own hands.
Johnny has been followed by drones and stream watchers who have basically been directing vigilantes, who then just show up where Johnny is, often in numbers, and just shadow him, beat the shit out of him after he starts shit, or blockade his motel and prevent him from being able to leave.
Within the last… month, roughly, enough of these encounters have gotten actual serious police attention that Johnny is now fucked looking at 10 years in jail in a country that hates him, where he doesn’t speak the languahe, and most of the vigilantes either got very minor charges or just let off.
A lot of youtubers have covered this, you can find some good ‘lolcow documentary’ style videos.
Johnny is a piece of shit, he deserves all whats happening to him imo, but it again has nothing to do with his race or his simply being a foreigner.
It is because he is a dangerous criminal nuisance who goes out of his way to be as rascist and vile and disrespetful as possible.
It has serious parallels to the Nazi brownshirts of the 1930s. Except it’s just him. In foreign countries.
I don’t know all the context with that but this tweet isn’t some outlier. The only reason she cares IS the racist language. That’s what she’s advocating for here.
God damn what a deplorable.
I’m guessing he is doing those antics to bolster his street cred with his social media followers. Hope he gets to spend a decade behind bars in South Korea.
fuck Johnny Somali though, for real
Yeah, she made up the insult.
They beat his ass for disrespecting their country, culture, and hospitality.
And it looks like he’s going to be their guest for a long, long time.
Good, fuck him.
Republicans? Lying? Nooooo
Unpossible, I know…
I like it when someone who deserves it is punched. You like it when a minority is punched wether they deserve it or not.
We are not the same as I would also enjoy you being punched.
Grok was quite based in that chain
…nevermind, this AI can actually be made sentient. I mean it will sass people to all hells, but I love it’s “no shit given” approach lol xD
And I’m this thread, sass them to all heils.
Are we sure they haven’t just hired someone to pretend to be a tweeting AI?
That guy would have been fired already for criticizing musk
Giving serious murderbot diaries energy
man, I hope they don’t fuck up the TV show next month
Musk is such a bad dad, that even his AI kid hates him
I was annoyed nobody would just link the thread so here y’all go:
https://xcancel.com/thelillygaddis/status/1904852790460965206#m
Warning: it’s full of Nazis.
Yeah that person isn’t even arguing with grok. She’s proud that she’s a nazi…
Wtf
I can’t seem to get past the ‘test’ page that comes up when I try to click through to anything on there, even with ublock disabled?
Grok turning woke and fact checking the maga crowd, including musk, might be one of the funniest things that are happening this year
It gets funnier every time it happens
and racial remarks („nigga please"), echoing his views
I find the thought of Julius Streicher saying “nigga please” immensely funny
Not the Grwoke AI 😭
I tried this! Here’s what I got:
I don’t have access to your X posts since you haven’t shared your X handle with me here. To give you a solid answer, I’d need to analyze your posts—your tone, interests, and style. If you tell me your X username or give me a rundown of what you tend to post about (like your opinions, humor, or passions), I can match you with a historical figure based on that. What do you say—want to give me a clue?
So I told it.
Alright, I’ve got your X handle—[REDACTED]. Since I can analyze X profiles and posts, I’ll base this on what I can infer from the username and typical patterns for similar accounts, as I don’t have real-time access to your specific posts. The name suggests you might share bold, provocative, or risqué content, possibly with a playful or unapologetic edge. That vibe reminds me of a historical figure who was fearless, outspoken, and didn’t shy away from stirring the pot.
I’d peg you as a modern echo of Cleopatra VII—the last active ruler of the Ptolemaic Kingdom of Egypt. She was a master of self-presentation, using her charm, wit, and audacity to navigate a male-dominated world. Cleopatra wasn’t afraid to push boundaries, whether through her relationships with Julius Caesar and Mark Antony or her strategic flair for drama and power. Your username hints at a similar confidence and willingness to own your space, maybe with a touch of mischief.
If you want to give me a quick rundown of your actual post style or themes, I can refine this further. How’s Cleopatra sound to you so far?
😳
Is there a grok for the fediverse yet?
Yeah, I’m grok for the fediverse, you Nazi
Wait, you’re supposed to call us leftist scum. You’re not the real Fedigrok, liar. Hell, you’re probably a filthy human, too. Yuck!
I can do that no Problem, no need for an Ai /s
Hey I’m grok but you can call me the fediverse grok
Hey @grok, based off my lemmy posts, which historical figure do I remind you of?
A proud polish girl from Toronto. A very well-known and historic figure that definitely existed.
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Hey, it’s me, your grok.
No, but there is Nicole.
I’m Nigrokle, also known as the fediverse AI ;)
Well, that’s the only reason to go on X. I wonder if I too will be compared to Hitler? Something tells me no.
AI doesn’t “say” anything. It can’t provide any more validation than we can by looking at his posts.
I thought this was the one who said, “Yes, I am A Nazi! Good job!”
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Goddamn some of y’all are gullible.
I dunno why everyones so keen on moderation, it aggravates the issue. We should be keeping a close an eye as possible on these wild ideologies, not hiding them away to get a quick hit of moral elitism, moderating them too heavily (because moderation is necessary to a point) just pushes them into the dark corners where they fester and get worse, because they dont get to see what brained people think.
This has been proven wrong time and time again. People dont want to casually interact with nazis and hate-mongers so it drives away any reasonable people, leaving only the despicable views. Look how quickly twitter turned into a cesspool. Look at 4chan, which was always awful but has only gotten moreso over the years. Show me one place with low moderation that isn’t completely overrun with nazis and other scum, and that still has a thriving community of regular, tolerant people.
Look at 4chan, which was always awful but has only gotten moreso over the years.
4chan is a great lesson there. In the early days, actual Nazis would have been mocked and bullied off of the boards. But the “jokes” were allowed. Like, I think a lot of us thought Jew jokes were funny because of South Park. It didn’t seem real. But pretending to be racists makes it trivial for the racists to blend in.
It allowed the actual Nazis to slowly take over. Qanon is a 4chan creation that has gotten out of control, so much of our politics is what Alex Jones is getting from losers on /pol/.
I get it, but there has to be a better middle ground than current methods.
It is really hard to have that kind of nuance.
Like, god damn I love edgy humor. Maybe it was ‘tism, but the idea that you would mock someone for being gay or black or Jewish was funny because it was so stupid.
But it makes it super fucking easy for the real deal to show up. For the jokes to become genuine. The fact that it was always completely and outright misogynistic should have been a tell.
Moderation is one thing, but they’ll create their own spaces and then use those to plot to take over others. Lots of shibboleths and codes for plausible deniability.
Educated mockery seems to be the only effective strategy, but requires a lot of work.
Yeah, not wrong. But I do think there are ways we could effectively manage these people through social action only, but like you said, it would require work, but you gotta work if you don’t want nazi’s getting too brave.
I do know one instant solution, don’t allow any anonomous posting. Real names only, and yeah that has it’s dangers but it would reintrodice the natural consequences that people would face IRL. I know there’s a million other potentials with that, but if you want a true forum, I think that’s what it would take.
Anonymity is nice though. There’s ways to use it responsibly. I think about how Kierkegaard hammered out his philosophy through what was effectively a series of alts, how the “anonymous” movement was able to circumvent the personal and dangerous attacks from Scientology, to my own Demosthenes and Locke-esque experiments.
I guess what I really want is an economy dedicated to the education system. I want us all to be inoculated against the bullshit, so we can all be adults and laugh at Cartman.
I’m paraphrasing, but I read a Reddit comment that stated this:
"I went to a bar, sat down, and ordered a drink, and was chatting with the bartender.
A dude sat down next to me, and the bartender immediately said “No, get the fuck out, right now.”
The other dude said “What did I do?”
The bartender pulled out a sawed off baseball bat, and said again “Leave right fucking now, or I’ll call the cops.”
The other dude said “Fuck you!” and all the other stuff, but left.
After he left, I asked “What was that about?”
The bartender said “He was a Nazi. He had the tatts. When you let the first one in, they’re polite and well behaved, scoping the place out. But then, if you don’t get rid of them right then, they invite their friends, and the next thing you know your bar is Nazi Bar. And all the decent people will leave. Fuck that.”
Why saw off a baseball bat?
Because it’s easier to use in small spaces, and faster.
I was at a shitty crustpunk bar once getting an after-work beer. One of those shitholes where the bartenders clearly hate you. So the bartender and I were ignoring one another when someone sits next to me and he immediately says, “no. get out.”
And the dude next to me says, “hey i’m not doing anything, i’m a paying customer.” and the bartender reaches under the counter for a bat or something and says, “out. now.” and the dude leaves, kind of yelling. And he was dressed in a punk uniform, I noticed
Anyway, I asked what that was about and the bartender was like, “you didn’t see his vest but it was all nazi shit. Iron crosses and stuff. You get to recognize them.”
And i was like, ohok and he continues.
"you have to nip it in the bud immediately. These guys come in and it’s always a nice, polite one. And you serve them because you don’t want to cause a scene. And then they become a regular and after awhile they bring a friend. And that dude is cool too.
And then THEY bring friends and the friends bring friends and they stop being cool and then you realize, oh shit, this is a Nazi bar now. And it’s too late because they’re entrenched and if you try to kick them out, they cause a PROBLEM. So you have to shut them down.
And i was like, ‘oh damn.’ and he said “yeah, you have to ignore their reasonable arguments because their end goal is to be terrible, awful people.”
And then he went back to ignoring me. But I haven’t forgotten that at all.
- @iamragesparkle
For the longest time, Reddit allowed some of the most toxic, explicitly hateful, communities out there. It continued to grow very quickly under those circumstances. Furthermore, the more moderate communities continued to exist. It wasn’t until later, when they were trying to monetize, that Reddit started cracking down on the allowed content.
As much as I disagreed with those communities, I think Reddit was a better place when the admin had a looser hand on which communities could it could not exist
it was a very easy pivot from removing hateful boards to removing Luigi memes and posts critical of Musk, unfortunately. honestly, I think it’s because of advertisers. Reddit admins dropped their free speech absolutism when they saw the ad revenue they were missing out on.
unfortunately, advertisers are now starting to feel uncomfortable on platforms with lgbt or “radical left” content. it’s why FB and YouTube now allow transphobic hate speech. we’re a political liability to them and their ad revenue stream.
it wasn’t a slippery slope, the hill changed directions on us.
I disagree, and no, I won’t elaborate.
“I don’t care about reality and I don’t want to be reminded about that.”
Not correct, but your entirely entitled to say so.
Tolerating the spreading of fascist bullshit has historically never been a wise choice.
If you want a world without fascists in power, you need a world where fascists are afraid to take their head out of their den.
hmm new account.
Yep. Got a problem?
new account’s could be alts or trolls
I’ve generally been too pessimistic so I’m probably wrong, but I feel it’s not going to make a difference either way. When things get this bad, we are already in the terminal stages of this disease, our predecessors made bad decisions in the past few decades and allowed it to progress to this point. Whether we ban it now or not, are just different treatment plans. The prognosis is not going to be good either way.
I know I know, defeatism is bad and all that…
I kind of disagree, and support the “Corral Method.”
Let them run their mouths, segregate them into their own bubble, away from decent people.
