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Except they don’t have the same god… Christians believe in a triune God which Jesus is the incarnation of, something muslims and modern day Jews completely reject, as they are unitarians.
“The one true god” is not the same god as “The one true god”, or even “The one true god”
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They are all monotheists. Doesn’t mean they believe in the same “one true god”, just that they have their own separate "one true god"s
Yes we all know that religious people are stupid pedants
slanders religious people
Calls them “stupid pedants” when they attempt to make a defence
Well the god is still the same entity. Looking how the christians and muslim use the old testament nad Jesus bring a prophet/messiah.
Christians believe Jesus is God. So it’s not the same entity.
The God christians believe in is the same Jews and Muslims believe in. Christians just believe God decided to show themselves in 3 different forms to us humans while the others don’t believe they did. Doesn’t change the fact it’s the same God.
You can see it as Movies: You got Part 1:
- The Torah: The Old Testament. Than you got the sequel:
- The Bible: The New Testament. And finally a remake:
- The Koran: Taking from both and adding it’s own twist to it.
But they are all based in the same cinematic universe.
The three different forms thing isn’t the trinity, that moreso describes modalism which oneness pentecostals believe.
The Old testament is written by loads of people, generally noted down oral tradition, kingdom records, prophecies, etc.
The new testament is written by a bunch of guys who witnessed Jesus and they’re writing down what they saw, as well as letters these guys sent.
The Qur’an is some guy who had a hallucination in a cave where he thinks god told him to marry 9 women including a six year old. Also just full on claims the bible and torah are scripture yet flat out contradicts them while claiming they’re legit. Retcons a lot of stuff and Also claims Jews worship Ezra for some reason which literally never happens.
Muslims worship a god who tells them to marry multiple women and says you have to earn your way into heaven. Also believes that god never became man.
Christians worship a God who became Man and died for the sins of all, promising eternal life by grace.
Jews like to follow loads of rules and believe that the God Christians worship wasn’t actually God at all.
If cousin A were to say “I worship the one true god, he has four arms and two legs”
If cousin B were to say “I worship the one true god, he has two arms and four legs”
And cousin C were to say “I worship the one true god, he has no arms or legs”
They’re clearly worshipping a different god. If all three of them claimed it’s the same god that their deceased grandfather worshipped, still doesn’t mean it’s the same god. Either they’re all wrong or only one is correct.
In the same way that a splice off of a plant isn’t the same plant… The plant it was spliced off of is the same plant, though.
If you plant it again, it isn’t the same plant. Just because Christians, Jews and Muslims claim to have the same creation literature (The Muslims even have a completely different narrative about Abraham) doesn’t mean it’s the same god.
But the plant it came from is.
Christians are also saying that the spliced plant is the same as the donor plant, but the donor plant isn’t different retroactively, and they recognize the donor plant as well.
Jews don’t give a shit, it’s the Christian’s and Muslims who make the wars
Umm. Palestine?
Oh right. Not a war. Just a genocide.
100% true lol
Muslims aren’t supposed to care, they’re supposed to view the other two as “almost Muslim”
30 year war entering the chat.
Oh look, a circle jerk.
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Christians believe Jesus is god and have a Trinity thing going on.
Jews and Muslims have an entirely different concept of god than modern day Christians.
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I call it the Tyrant god.
I’d say christians and jews have fairly good relations. christians also don’t really mind muslims. jews hate muslims because of the gaza conflict and vice versa. the most extremist muslims are the only ones doing terrorism as well
Jews don’t hate Muslims. What’s happening in Gaza has nothing to do with religion, and all to do with right wing politics and ego.
Edit: I’m not responding to any more DMs telling me I’m wrong and trying to explain to me (as a Jew) what Jews really think. Next DM gets screenshot and added to the edit.
The Dome of the Rock seems to be claimed by all three. Abraham attempted to sacrifice his son there, before he was stopped. Muhammed’s ascent to heaven took place there (figuratively, not literally), and Jesus threw the moneymen out of the temple at that location.
I always wondered what is so special about that location.
Muhammed’s ascent to heaven took place there (figuratively, not literally)
Just looked it up, Muhammed died in Medina. I kind of assumed he died somewhere in the the vicinity of Jerusalem and that’s why his name is connected with the Dome of the Rock
The Dome of The Rock isn’t just a nickname for Dwayne Johnson’s head?
It’s all about who the most important prophet is, and anyone that disagrees is wrong and we hate them.
Religion is wild.
To be a bit pedantic but Christians don’t believe Jesus was a prophet.
Matthew 21:11
And the crowds replied, “This is Jesus the prophet, from Nazareth in Galilee.”
Context is key I may have done 12 years of theological studies but I’ll be using AI to summarize this
John 8:58: This verse is found in the Gospel of John, where Jesus makes the statement “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” Moses and Exodus 3:14: In the Old Testament, God revealed Himself to Moses in a burning bush, declaring, “I AM THAT I AM.” This name, often translated as “I am who I am” or “I will be who I will be,” is a declaration of God’s eternal and self-existent nature, says the Bible Gateway. Jesus’s Claim: By saying “before Abraham was, I AM,” Jesus is claiming to be the same eternal, self-existent God who revealed Himself to Moses. Context: The statement is made in the context of a discussion with Jewish leaders who were disputing his authority. Implications: This verse is a central pillar of Christian theology, affirming Jesus’s divinity and eternal nature. The Jews’ Reaction: The people who heard Jesus make this claim were shocked and disturbed, understanding that it was a direct challenge to their understanding of God’s identity.
This is what makes him not a prophet.
Thanks for your insight, I will study knto that topic deeper. I duckduckgoed whether Jesus was a prophet and that passage was what I found. I think the main argument for prophecy was that he was making grandeous statements about the future that were fulfilled, thus he fits the definition. But I’m just a casual reader and could be wrong.
I think in the context of this thread it’s amazing we could come up with two differing views so quickly.
See my reply to ochi in the other thread. Note I was raised Orthodox and from what I understand, reformist Christian sects do not place as much emphasis on the Trinity
Really? I’m no expert, but I wouldn’t think being the son of god excluded being a prophet.
The whole point of the holy Trinity is that Jesus is God not separate
My personal head Cannon is that God is nth dimensional programmer /scientist and our universe is equivalent to a simulation running on his computer. He built this place. Gave the people some rolls and was flabbergasted that they continually fucked it up and didn’t listen to the rules. So then he basically uploads himself to The matrix lives for 30 years experiences humanity and realizes that we are fundamentally fucked and forgives us after merging that slice of his consciousness back into the main consciousness.
Old English Crīst, from Latin Christus, from Greek Khristos, noun use of an adjective meaning ‘anointed’, from khriein ‘anoint’, translating Hebrew māšīaḥ ‘Messiah’
destroy all abrahamic religions for the future of humanity
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I’m always weirded out by this because… I mean, from my perspective it’s a made up deity anyway, so the idea that they’re all worshiping the same one seems a bit needless to me, like nerds trying to reconcile stories from different authors into the same canon.
It’s not like they concede that any other deities or metaphisical constructs are more real just because they aren’t nominally based on the same entity. These are all exclusive, monotheist religions.
Think of it as fanfic from the same origin that has been lost in time.
Humans are tribal. They need a us and them. Then and now. Look around. It is everywhere.
It demonstrates that they worship the Dogma more than the deity
It’s because they all have the same origin. They can’t say they’re different gods, because it’s still their same story they just add or don’t add extra parts on top.
Islam was started by a pagan guy who liked Christian and Jewish theology. So he grafted some stuff in. (Some pagan stuff was also added in like the Kaaba and black stone).
Christianity and Judaism have such different concepts of God that Who they worship isn’t really comparable.
There’s nothing Christians/Muslims/Jews hate more than slightly different variety of Christians/Muslims/Jews. The other 2 are far behind.
The denomination wars are real
I was told by nuns in catholic school that we had more in common with Jews than with Lutherans.
Guess leftists had to learn it from someone.
So starting from a schizophrenic as the lineal foundation resulted in a three headed god concept never contained in any canonical part of their book, the mulligan do-overs completely disconnected from their ancient ways, and the other brother magic tripping LSD globe trotter of the desert. Does that surprise anyone. What is surprising to me is that something so obviously nonsense is still so accepted.
in my personal edgy opinion, religions are a cope & a great tool of control.
They give you hope against the biggest fear ingrained in us - death, and even worse - death being equal for everyone, good person, bad person, both will die. It’s a nice thought to believe that there is fairness to it all, that good actions should be done despite bad actions being easier. It’s a nice thought to believe there is something else after you die, and none of your good (or bad) deeds go unnoticed, that you, a good person, will live in paradise, and your enemies will finally suffer the consequences of what they’ve done.
it also helps bring people together, creates a unified peoppe and a culture of those who believe in the same thing & allows a potential leader to have an easier time rallying everyone towards the same goal.
religion is a wonderful tool for both coping with existential dread, and unifying people. but as a tool it has the capacity for explaining away both good and bad things quite equally (helping poor, crusades, personal growth, bigotry).
what relgion is based on is close to irrelevant, it just has to be something, preferably a good overall story with many smaller stories that teach the common folk how to be a good [insert religious identity]. Try reading ancient Egyptian mythology, i suspect most of that shit was written on heavy doses of psychedelics, and despite how completely insane all of it is - it unified people and was an integral part of the biggest empire of the ancient times.
honestly i don’t want to “debunk” people’s religions, if it’s something that keeps them going then why take it away, i personally tried but failed multiple times at believing in any god, but i can’t lie the existential dread of “one day i will die, no matter how much i managed to achieve, no matter how good of a person i was, i will die the same as every murderer or war criminal, and there will be no justice in that, and then, one day my name will be spoken for the last time, and i will be forgotten” is a heavy thought to bear, no wonder that as a species we’ve always tried to find some reason, any reason, for that not being the case
They give you hope against the biggest fear ingrained in us - death, and even worse - death being equal for everyone, good person, bad person, both will die.
Or they teach us to fear death. Nothing to worry about death unless you will live afterwards forever and take your memories with you. Now you have to make good memories soon.
nah i’m pretty sure evolution taught us to fear death, no species looks like it feels neutral about dying
The receptors for psychedelics aren’t there for no reason, heavy prayer and meditation can trigger similar effects. Substances are just a shortcut, that’s why religion don’t tend to like them. Personally I think that as long as it isn’t used as a crutch it’s totally fine to buy a day pass.
the receptors for psychedelics are the same as normal happiness receptors, just constantly stimulated by the drugs binding to them (similar to SSRI). prayer and meditation can have partially similar effect, fractals, feelings happiness, and even ego death yes, but there is more to psychedelics than those, they can completely alter your perception of reality and thoughts
I view it as slightly better than that interpretation. The Old Testament is what links the three. The interesting thing about the Old Testament is that it was written over a few thousand years starting around the time of two major historical events that could have precipitated what would look like a potential “apocalypse,” to anyone at the time.
The Green Sahara period had just come to an end, denying Egypt what I would imagine was a substantial breadbasket for the Egyptian, and possibly Assyrian Empires. That event may not have directly caused The Bronze age collapse, but they happened quickly enough together, that I would imagine it was a factor.
So in a period of a few hundred years, a savannah that had plentiful game and foraging turned into the largest desert in the world. The Levant went from a seemingly temperate mediterranian climate, aka “the promised land,” to a desert mediterranian climate. All the empires that you know of just collapsed in a period of 150 years. You might just get a bit superstitious, and borrow some ancient creation myths to write down the “history” of your people.
Lots of cultures did this. We know from archeological evidence that the Israelites weren’t ever in Egypt, so everything up to, and including Moses, was made up to try to teach their descendants how to live in this new horrible dying world. It’s just absolute random chance that the Israelite texts survived long enough to spawn the other two belief systems.
There is no archaeological evidence to say the Israelites weren’t in Egypt. In fact, quite the contrary
I’m not going to entertain the fiction of “Christian Scientists.” Show me a real archeological expedition that showed any Israelite pottery in Egypt. There are none. All Israelite pottery and artifacts that have been found, have been in the Levant. They also do not share any similarities to Egyptian pottery or artifacts, and do share iconography with Cannanite pottery and artifacts.
I watched your misinformation video and they presented nothing but supposition.
Why would a captured slave people be producing their own pottery, exactly?
The old testament shows Egyptian influences- Moses’ name is Egyptian, the Ark of the Covenant is Egyptian in design. There is a lack of archeological expeditions either in this field. I don’t really know how you’d definitively prove this.
I fail to understand why, in religion as in politics by the way, differences and disagreements should be a problem. Diversity is a strength!
That’s how I view different religions. Each one has one part of a big picture and a bunch of extra fluff. The trouble is that people tend to think that the extra fluff is just as important as the core message, and religions as a organizations encourage it.
I like to compare religions to languages. They are tools to speak about the unspeakable, but they don’t necessary oppose each other when they have different doctrines, like French doesn’t oppose English when it calls “maison” what English calls “house”.
By definition, God is a reality that exists outside time and space, there’s no way our mind can define it. But like you need a language to speak, you need to practice a religion to develop your spirituality, even if you know that your religion is not the only way to develop it. You can also speak more than one language, and you can practice more than one religion, but it’s harder.
That’s a great way to see it, thanks for sharing.
You’re welcome :-)
Because there is a bunch of old books that say so.
You obviously didn’t read the Bible, you can’t find two pages that agree with each other, and that didn’t bother the redactors of the Bible.