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I don’t have a problem with the snitch. Your made up game, your prerogatives. It’s cool
I have a problem with not having a pair gigantic magical screens showcasing every freaking move it the seekers on the field.
I also have a problem with them not having MORE violence. Outside of unforgivable curses, mental tampering or insta kills (Ie bombarda) , EVERYTHING should be FAIR GAME.
These fuckers should be throwing diffindos left and right, crushing bones, burning skin and gouging each other eyes while putting up shields, auto targeting expelliarmus and self propelled physical objects intercepting every fucking shit that comes their way.
This game could have been awesome, instead we got a lame ass pansy party
Stop it, get some help.
I will
I’ll send a letter to Rowling requesting Quidditch Helldivers version, but I’ll need some more people to do the same.
Thanks for offering
For Super Hogwarts against the muggle menace?
Sounds like a mix of Quiddittch and MMA / Ice Hockey?
QUIDDITCH, THE BLOOD BOWL EDITION!!!
I’d watch that.
They can heal basically everything, short of the mentioned
And given how prone they are to test wizardry ancestry in malicious ways, it strike me odd that the same level of mayhem is not taken into their games
Rowling, although a great storyteller, is no system analyst. Take her magic system for example. “Accio Invisibility Cloak!” Boom, Harry’s standing there in plain sight and you’ve got his cloak.
Accio doesn’t work on the Deathly Hallows or Horcruxes, so that would not have summoned the Cloak of Invisibility.
I call hax
Well we don’t really know, since Accio works on wands, but I would call that a sensible house rule.
sudo Accio Invisibility Cloak
Are his glasses part of him? I’m gonna say no, I’d go for his glasses.
Underpants. Especially if you have the high ground.
See I’m just not sure how accio works, like wouldn’t you need to really know exactly what pair of undies he’s wearing? Whereas, if they think Potter’s sneaking around in the Invisibility Cloak, they would know he’s got to be wearing his glasses. And considering they were always getting broken and re-mended, I don’t think he has back-ups.
They explain in the game, HL, that when you accio people, you are actually accioing their clothes.
Or it was levioso? I don’t really remember
Interesting idea. What about “accio” someones boots to trip them
Fair game to snatch the visually impaired boy’s glasses!
And if he is wearing them wiel hiding under the invisibility cloak… well then you get both!
They literally try this against Harry in book 7 and it doesn’t work because Harry’s cloak is special (it’s one of the deathly hollows)
Ok fine, then my point is still made if the cloak has to be exception for this not to work.
“Accio Harry’s socks!”
Accio Dobby’s sock would be more cruel than Crucio.
It’d work better if he only caught it once, like if it were a one in a million it’d balance better and represent the “hope against all odds” kinda device that i thought it was. But Harry catching the bloody thing every third game ruins it.
Harry catches the snitch almost EVERY game. I think the only game he ever played where he didn’t catch it was one where he was attacked by dementors and fell off his broom.
If i was the opposing captain, I’d have half the team just fucking with harry. We’d call him “the git who lived” out of pure resentment for his talent.
Now that I’ve coined the term, I can’t believe Fred and George never called him that.
It would work if it was just an end timer, not deciding the game. So it’s at a semi random moment when the game can end and scores are final.
Iirc a game of quidditch doesn’t end until the snitch is caught. I believe one game lasted months
Really, I thought they were timed or something? I thought catching the snitch ended the game, but was not the only thing that could end the game?
They actually say a game once went for months because nobody caught it, and they had to keep switching players out to sleep. Which now that I think about it, how did they not have players on the bench…
Well that’s just silly. I’ll keep my head cannon in place, lol.
What the hell’s the point of everything else in the game then? I thought people were scoring points and stuff. Why isn’t everyone just going after the golden snitch?
If everyone was trying to get the snitch on team a, team b would just get constant empty net goals and rack up a huge lead.
Since you still get 10 points per goal, if you can get a 16 goal lead on the opposing team, then you can win even if the snitch is caught by the opposing team. So not leaving an empty goal + having to deal with the bludgers (which can attack your seeker) then you suddenly don’t have as much resources for the snitch.
Additionally the game can be ended by mutual agreement between the teams, so a blowout in scoring can result in an effective surrender/resignation of the other team.
It’s actually an interesting mechanic when you think it through, since it means a pretty delicate balance of team resources need to be spent between seeking/assisting the seeker, defending, and having the ability to score in the case that the other team focuses too heavily on the snitch.
Delicate my ass. Put two chasers on defense, a chaser on snitch finding duty, and a beater dedicated entirely to hospitalizing the opposing seeker. The 3 on defense just need to park their asses in the goals, and as long as you either find the snitch first or concuss the other seeker, you win. Your second beater can move as necessary.
I think it’s reasonable to assume that there are minutia rules in place that would prevent or discourage disengaging play.
Similar to icing rules or offsides in hockey and soccer, or how players can’t enter the crease without the puck in hockey, goaltending rules in basketball, or pass interference and holding in American football.
Every sport is filled with rules like that in order to encourage dynamic and engaging play and I’m willing to bet we don’t know those rules for the same reason nobody poops it’s boring and not relevant to the story.
Besides you can counter that play by running a light defense and heavy attack on the opposing seeker, since defending against one chaser will be significantly easier, or having the seeker come off of snitch duty in a power play like scenario, making a 4 man offense with both beaters attacking the chasers acting as defenders (who would get demolished since they parked at the goal, keepers can’t get hit, but the chasers are just psuedo keepers in this scenario), that would allow you to dunk on the now hamstrung opposing team.
I think every sport seems stupid or broken until you put tweaks on the rules.
Edit: I just saw your play involved no offense, which means the entire opposing team’s offense can attack the goal as a counter, effectively making a 6 (or 7 if the keeper gets involved and they go open net) v 4, which makes it incredibly likely that the attacking team can just massively out score the opposing team, so your team would either have to draw back, or get extremely lucky and catch the snitch before the score snowballs. It could be an effective strategy, but it would for sure make you lose games against teams that have a stronger focus on scoring vs seeking.
That’s the point of the post.
Because then Harry isnt the constant hero saving everyone all the time.
it would be fine if the snitch gave maybe 50 points instead of 150. Then a significantly better team could push their opponents to end the game to safe face, or get them to try to regain points before being back in race to win.
Adding also that canonically there have been games where the snitch is caught but that team still loses.
I believe one game lasted months
Ah, so a typical match of tennis
it is almost as if HP movies were trash & retarded …
They are actually books 📕
Meh, point stands
“Oh no, I caught the snitch when we were 160 points behind” said no one ever except for that one time in the books and even then it just makes zero fucking sense.
The game doesn’t end until the snitch is caught.
In a league situation in the event of the same number of wins, the largest points difference comes first.
I.e. it is strategically useful to end a losing game as quickly as possible.
Actually that happened twice, once at the world cup where it made zero sense and once at Hogwarts, where it did make sense, because even though Gryffindor lost catching the snitch kept them in the house cup which is based off point differential
It just leads to such utterly contrived scenarios where the winning team isn’t the one who catches the snitch. If it was something like 30 points and didn’t end the game and you could catch it multiple times it would be better I think. It would be interesting to see team compositions that vary. Maybe some teams forgo scoring with the quaffle and focus only on scoring with snitch catches.
Imagine if they were trying to catch the frog on the court though
A court that was like ten times bigger, everyone’s flying, tackling is legal if not encouraged, and there’s two people on each team who are there to play dodgeball with bocci balls, not basketball
Yeah, but that’s the exciting bit. I don’t mind the idea of catching the Snitch as a means of ending the game, even with a marginal point reward. In a close game, this creates an incentive for a behind-but-gaining team to deliberately delay catching the Snitch until they are within range of a win. But - as written - the game is just the “Harry Potter Is The Hero” microcosm. Nothing anyone else does seems to matter.
Incidentally, this is replicated in the worst parts of the series. The early books give the supporting cast a huge role to play in solving the school mystery, thwarting the villains, and improving the school. Latter books - particularly as you get into the Horcruxes (tell me you’ve played D&D without telling me you’ve played D&D, Rowling) - make so much of the supporting cast irrelevant bordering on disposable. By the last book, Rowling is just knocking off side characters casually.
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The unexciting part is that the obvious best strategy would be to ignore the regular part of quidditch and just focus entirely on helping their seeker get the snitch and shutting down the opposing seeker.
Iirc you can’t interfere with the seekers, plus if you don’t defend and play, the other team just scores more than 150 points and wins when your team gets the snitch.
The frog:
hop… hop… hop… 🐸Harry:
SECTUMSEMPRA! 🪄
It’s a metaphor that most people fight about the wrong things in life. They should know better because they saw somebody win before, but they ignore it.
“Plot device, Mr. Frodo, plot device.”
Now that’s a quote I’ve not heard in a long time.
It’s not nearly as bad as the basketball example anyways, because the other teams players are having to play the normal game, AND try to fuck over the opponent trying to catch the snitch. If you ignore the scrawny kid and let him catch the game ender, it’s your own fault.
This is what happens when an author designs a sport where the protagonist is the single most important player.
Specifically, when a hack of an author designs a sport.
She isn’t a bad author, just a bad person. The reason I regret reading her work isn’t because of the work itself…
She’s not a bad person, she has an opinion that’s different from yours
You’re on the wrong site to have garbage viewpoints like this.
Perhaps, but I posit that her opinions run objectively bad.
That opinion is “this group of people is worth less than another group,” so yes she’s a bad person
Having an opinion that people don’t deserve to have rights for being who they are does in fact make you a bad person.
Funnily I’m not very fond opinions that entail treating me and my loved ones like dangerous subhumans
She can’t keep consistent with her dates and how long ago things were
She had good ideas but is a bad author
Not wanting to defend Rowling, since she’s an evil and hateful person, but there’s many great authors who fall foul of basic arithmetic. I would argue that they are completely separate skills; TV Tropes has a good list. (Also, I’d argue that most of her good ideas were taken from someone else.)
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WritersCannotDoMath
The thing is, the seeds of something great are right there.
Ditch the stupid seeker role, and you have a game that’s both entertaining and narratively useful.
Harry could have learned how to be a team player, and eventually a leader.
Instead Rowling wanted Harry to be super special boy in the laziest way possible.
You don’t have to ditch it, just make it so it’s not a guaranteed win under normal circumstances. Make it so the snitch isn’t released until a certain amount of time has passed, or points have been scored. And instead of having it be worth a ton of points, have it be worth a small enough amount that it could make a difference in a close game but not the only deciding factor. Then it’s a strategic position. A position that requires timing instead of just speed.
The mechanic of catching the snitch immediately ending the game is a pretty good one, and there’s several ways you could go about it.
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Adds no points to either side: you want to catch it when your team is up, but if you find it when your team is down, you want to misdirect the other team’s Seeker
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Adds a small number of points to your side: you want to catch it when your team is within striking distance of a win
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Adds a small number of points to the opposite side: you only want to catch it when your team is up significanty
My favorite would be a random or rotating points penalty. Like say every 3 minutes the points given to each side upon grabbing the snitch is randomized. It still allows for that stupid main character syndrome special boy causing the win thing, but it doesn’t completely break the strategy of the game.
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Just make it so that catching the snitch ends the game. As in, the scores from either side get fixed. This way the losing team would have an incentive to stop the winning team from getting it, but themselves wouldn’t be interested in doing so. It’s not game breaking, just another angle.
I also feel like half the reason he won all the damn time is because he literally just had the best broom in existence for most of the matches from his rich godfather. He’s also annoying af with all his angst in the later books (especially OotP) with “nooooo my friends don’t understand meeeeee I can’t talk to anyoneeeee lemme just be an impulsive idiot”.
How did they get rich anyway?
Harry’s grandfather is supposed to have invented Sleekeazy’s hair spray / potion or something to tame people’s hair since the Potters have crazy hair lol. It’s such a cartoonish reasoning.
It’s J.K. Rowling. I expect nothing and she still dissapoints hahaha
Rowling had some really sinister cultural programming embedded in her brain that comes out in these books, regardless of the trans stuff that surfaced later. The entire magical governing system is hugely corrupt, based on family wealth, and obviously full of fascists, but the focus of the books was that there were bad actors abusing the system, rather than the system being broken from the start.
You could argue that’s done for realisms sake, and sure maybe it is, but if the characters never actually meaningfully tackle those issues then you’re re-enforcing complicity for the sake of it, rather than enacting change in a corrupt system when you have the power and ability to do so.
Umbridge feels like she was based on a woman Rowling personally knew. Don’t know much about Rowling past but I wouldn’t be surprised if she had a weird messed up childhood
That is exemplified specifically by the “rich godfather buys Harry Potter the bestest broom stick” scenario.
Like, I’m pretty sure in Book 2(?) it’s a big deal that Evil Lucius Malfoy evilly outfits the Slytherin team with new broomsticks. Evil when Lucius does it because he’s evil, but okay when Sirius does it because he’s good.
Just like how slavery was bad when Lucius Malfoy did it to Dobby, but okay when Harry had Kreacher as a slave (who he also treated like shit, but it’s fine, Rowling wrote him to be evil and deserve it anyway)
Just like her worldbuilding, morality is whatever Joanne thinks is most convenient for the story she wants to tell.
Ugh yeah the way Sirius treated Kreacher annoyed me so much. Apparently it was completely fine for Harry to have him as a slave as long as he gave him some locket and made poor brainwashed Kreacher feel like he was the best treated slave ever.
JK Rowling’s lack of critical thinking is glaringly obvious in everything she has ever written.
There’s an old 4chan post about J.K. Rowling and how they only believe in protecting the status quo system.
It very neatly describes the way liberals see the world and political struggle. Lots of people complain about the anti-climactic ending, but really I don’t think it could any other way. I’d like to imagine that there’s some alternate universe where Rowling actually believed in something and Harry was actually built up as the anti-Voldemort he was only hinted as being in the beginning of the books. Where he’s opposes all the many injustices of the wizarding world and determines to change their frequently backwards, insular, contradictory society for the better, and forms his own faction antithetical to the Death Eaters and when he finally has his showdown with Voldy. Harry surpasses by adopting new methods, breaking the rules and embracing change and the progression of history. While Voldemort clings to an idyllic imaging of the past and the greatest extent of his dreams is to become the self-appointed god of a eternally stagnant Neverland. Harry has embraced the possibility of a shining future and so can overcome the self-imposed limitsVoldemort could never cross, and Voldemort is ultimately defeated by this.
But that would require a Harry that believed in something, and since Rowling is a liberal centrist Blairite that doesn’t really believe in anything, Harry can’t believe in anything. Harry lives in a world drought with conflict and injustice, a stratified class society, slavery of sentient magical creatures, the absurd charade the wizarding world puts upto enforce their own self-segregation, a corrupted and bureaucracy-choked government, rampant racism, so on and so forth But Harry is little more than a passive observer for most of it, only the racism really bothers him (and then, really only racism against half-bloods). In fact, when Hermione stands up against the slavery of elves, she’s treated as some kind of ridiculous Soapbox Sadie. For opposing chattel slavery. In the end. the biggest force for change is Voldemort and Harry and friends only ever fight for the preservation and reproduction of the status quo. The very height of Harry’s dreams is to join the aurors. a sort of wizard FBI and the ultimate defenders of the wizarding status quo. Voldemort and the Death Eaters are the big instigators of change and Harry never quite gets to Voldy’s level. Harry doesn’t even beat Voldemort, Voldemort accidentally kills himself because he violated some obscure technicality that causes one of his spells to bounce back at him.
And this is really the struggle of liberals, they live in a world fraught with conflict, but aren’t particularly bothered by any of it except those bit that threaten multicultural pluralism. They see change, and the force behind that change, as a wholly negative phenomenon. Even then, they can only act within the legal and ideological framework of their society. So. for instance, instead of organizing insurrectionary and disruptive activity against Trump and the far-right, all they can do is bang their drum about what a racist bigot he is and hope they can catch him violating some technicality that will allow them to have him impeached or at least destroy his political clout. It won’t work, it will never work, but that’s the limit of liberalism just as it was the limit of Harry Potter.
Fuck me if that doesn’t describe the issues in those books perfectly.
Yeah, that’s just bollocks. (No offence) (okay a little offence).
Harry had already saved the world when he was eighteen months old. He was already a super special boy given THE ENTIRE MAGICAL WORLD KNEW HIS NAME before he did.
So the idea that making him a seeker was a way to make him special?
That’s just crap.
Those books are wonderful, and my children delight in them, even as they both outgrow being the original target audience
The books are average. I read them all, I enjoyed them. The warm feelings of an ‘orphan’ finding friends and a new family combined with having a fun time in a magical setting carry the series. The actual writing doesn’t amount to blasé. She built a world that seems fun. She built a world that falls apart with gentle pokes.
Counter point :- (not to do with American sports – they are ridiculous)
imagine you’re watching a quidditch game where one side has an overwhelmingly good set of chasers. I mean unbelievably good. Far better than the other side. Within five minutes they are 50 points up, and another 30 minutes later they are 250 points up. There is literally no chance of the other side catching them.
Do you really want to sit and watch that? It’s like the Brazil - Germany game. After a while you would just be “Stop – you are hurting them too much. It’s getting embarrassing and we are all now going to leave because even the home team wants you to stop”
At least with the snitch it means there is a chance that it’ll be evened out.
It’s worse than that though. The parking lot frog adds a huge, but not impossible, score to your team if you catch it AND it instantly ends the game.
So even if one team is absolutely crushing the other, it’s not actually going to even things out unless it is in a very specific range of uneven matches.
Being so overwhelmingly outclassed makes a neat sort of metagame about preventing the parking lot frog from being caught. Though the frog is apparently hard enough to catch even once that defending it is sort of besides the point. Even if the frog hunt suddenly has a second dynamic, it’s still taking place pretty much completely outside of the view of the audience.
Turns out she wasn’t great at designing an actual game. Among other things…
The snitch isn’t completely out of view of the audience though. And I think that’s kind of the point. The audience can see every fight between seekers for the snitch. This happens at the world cup, and at the matches between Slytherin and Gryffindor in the books. A good set of chasers and beaters can be countered by a good seeker and a good keeper.
Ya I’m curious Lil M @[email protected] about how you imagine the typical seeker flight paths in context of the stadium, obviously no “wrong” answer :)
I’m being a bit hyperbolic, but I seem to recall them describing the snitch as ‘basically invisible’ and the players flying under the bleachers and into the stratosphere in pursuit of it. Those might be exceptions, maybe the frog only sometimes wanders out into the parking lot.
so … at least one vote for pro-frog
Another counter point: it’s a book for children.
And another again: “In episode 2F09 when Itchy plays Scratchy’s skeleton like a xylophone…”
I’m sorry, but I hate this excuse. Bad writing is bad writing. Hand-waving away something that just straight-up doesn’t make sense because it’s “for children” is lazy. Also, saying a 30-second throwaway gag on a show-within-a-show is the same as the thousands of pages of YA lore in the series Rowling spent over a decade writing is obviously a false equivalency.
Conversely, literally every other game becomes meaningless. Catching the snitch gains SO many points. You could literally just play defense and snitch support, and never try and score.
Remember you also have to catch the snitch to end the game. Otherwise it would just go forever
To quote Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality:
Just. Buy. A. Clock.
except that the golden snitch doesnt mean you win. it means you get 150 points and the match ends. sure, that often leads to a win unless the enemy has a 150 point lead, but still.
Also, apparently in the school cup the overall score seems to be counted to overall results - not just win/loss. Isn’t there a point when Harry needs to make sure he only catches the Snitch if they are in a lead by at least certain ammount of points to win the cup? One could assume this applies to leagues as well.
Not that it balances things much, but it does give a bit of nuance.
I do remember there was a game were they grab the snitch and STILL lost, because the other side was 10 points ahead
Yeah, everyone likes to point to that as a reason why the snitch isn’t completely broken. But all it does is show that Victor Krum is a moron who can’t trust his teammates to score literally 20 points.
That was a weird one and I never got why anyone would do this. On a World Cup finale no less
Either way, while the match only ending if the snitch is caught is a great concept, it probably shouldn’t be worth fifteen goals worth of points. Fifty points, or even just thirty, for the snitch would add more strategy to the game since it might be best to deny the other team the snitch without catching it yourself if the other team is ahead.
That kind of system makes so much more sense if the games are for a set amount of time. Otherwise, what’s to stop two teams from dragging a game out to ensure they both surpass whoever is in the lead?
It might be because I was young when I read Harry Potter, but the whole series was magical for me exactly because of stuff like this.
Can someone please tell me which spell I need to cast to be able to see these “failed to load media 😢” posts ?!
Expecto Patronum always works for me.
Ctrl-Shift-R does it for me on desktop.
So, I was on Voyager and decided to try the other open source Lemmy apps. Namely : Eternity, Interstellar, Jerboa, Raccoon, and Thunder.
And it turns out, all of them can show me this post except Voyager !
Wtf ?! Why have I been suffering on the one shitty app that can’t handle dank memes ?!
Hi, I’m the voyager dev. Are you on android or iOS, and what version? Also are you browsing with the exact same account on each app? It should be working fine :/
Interesting, they work for me on Voyager most of the time, on lemm.ee. This post certainly shows. Were you using the native app, pwa, or just website? What operating system?
I’m not the developer of Voyager, but I love it and would love to help the developer fix bugs if we can track down what’s happening
Is it something to do with webp?
The Sync for Lemmy spell works well for me
But then how could we show Harry Potter as the chosen one?
If he sealed the goal ring with his massive… wand?
At least “cylinder stuck in ring” would be much easier to solve for Mme Pomfrey.
Just don’t let Gilderoy Lockhart fix it.
“Help! I’m stuck in the goal ring!”
