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“This is why we don’t need #US #cars in #Europe”
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Someone in my city did this. Their car blocked the tram. The tram company ordered taxis for all passengers, and the car owner had to foot the bill.
Did the offender actually pay the bill? Did the tram company have to sue to get the money? Do you have a news article?
@rabber @shadowtofu
Tram company makes money by moving people. When the tram line stops moving, they lose money by the minute. 1000 Euros per minute plus the standard fee for a parking ticket seems fair. That should make the driver pay attention in the future.I mean I’m all for fining them but there’s no chance they’re getting 1000 euro/min lol
It’s a network. It’s not just the people in that tram. But all trams on that line and all people connecting through that line that are effected. And that specific track might actually run multiple lines as well. Depending on the country they might be applicable for an reimbursement fee. And lets not start about all the costs the passengers might incur… So €1000/min seems fine for me for this shit head
@mac Get found to be intentionally delaying a train in Japan and they bill you a huge amount of money. Not just for the train you delayed, it’s also all the trains on the line behind it that also get delayed. 1000 Euros a minute seem reasonable considering the lost money for the tram company and the lost time of thousands of riders. Plus reduced reputation for the reliability and punctuality of the service causes incalculable loss to the train / tram company.
I’m not going to defend this ridiculous vehicle and the extremely poor parking but there’s just no way a court would award 1,000 euros a minute.
It’s an absurd number you just picked that seems commensurate with everyone’s hatred for these cars.
Intentionally delaying a train is not analogous to parking your car on a tramway. Intent is important. Also a train might contain several hundred passengers while a tram might have a few dozen at most.
The reduced reputation as a result of this happenstance will be infinitesimals. No judge would award losses for reputation over this.
You’re really missing the whole point that these kinds of delays propagate through the whole network. All trams after this point have to stop or they start congesting the roads. So all lines that share the same track and switchovers might have to be stopped too if there aren’t enough alternatives (which tram tracks usually don’t have a lot). This can easily halt a huge part of the tram network depending where in the network this congestion is.
And when the congestion is finally resolved it might still take a long time for everything to finally run smoothly again. You’re also looking at worker overtime, depending on how long it took the car to get removed. They might not be allowed to drive further anymore because they are over their time limits, so now you have to shuffle around tram drivers too adding to more delays.
Okay, how about a large fine based on wealth, 1 year community service, and a lifetime ban on owning a vehicle and driving?
Public transportation is expensive here
They could just take the brightline approach for dealing with vehicles on the track.
@conditional_soup @shadowtofu
Would that mean that since the tram has the right of way on the tracks it can simply push the offending driver’s property off the tracks and any damage is legally the fault of the idiot driver?Brightline is Florida’s highspeed rail line between Orlando (Theme Parks) and Miami. It opened recently and has destroyed many cars and trucks that sit at stoplights on the train tracks.
Me and the wife like to drive down from Tallahassee real early so we can spend the entire day riding the Brightline. They got a special car for those of us that buy the all-day passes. Its like tailgating at the ball game, people bring their coolers and sometimes a small grill. We always have a couple spotters watching for cars on the track ahead of us. If the cars linger on the track too long then we all start the war chant. It started out as BL! BL! BL! SMASH!, but now it has kind of morphed into BALLER! BALLER! BALLER! SMASH!
It’s like driving in a demolition derby but at like 125 mph and you don’t have to spend any time or money getting a hoopty running.Just Florida things
Not only that, but Brightline helpfully disassembles the offending vehicle so that any parts that are damaged in the move can easily be identified along the debris field.
amazing
I get why people are annoyed but I wish my truck had a sunroof.
These cars should be banned in Europe. If your car doesn’t fit into a parking spot, it’s too big.
They don’t even fit in the parking spaces in the United States. I don’t know how many times I’ve had to sit in the parking lot for 10 minutes waiting for some dipshit to figure out how to maneuver his monster vehicle into or out of a space.
Guess it depends on how you live. I’m over here like “how do you have spots that don’t fit trucks? Every other car on the road is that size”
Context, I live in Texas.
Also also, I’ve been to the Netherlands and those spots in towns are tight fits for a normal car. Even a large full size German sedan probably wouldn’t fit. But that’s fine because almost everyone parks outside of town and uses public transportation or walks or bikes. You basically can’t drive around in town. This truck driver is just an idiot.
Not so sure about that, given that I’m pretty sure there’s a full sized Mercedes in the back row, and what to me looks like a Volvo in the middle slot, facing the camera.
I’m all for banning pick-up trucks, but @neclimdul has a point. The Mercedes you point at in the back row is literally the smallest Mercedes (A-class) and the Volvo in front row is an older full-sized wagon, which isn’t big in todays standards. A “full size” today, is definitely closer to 5m or even a little over (BMW 5-series). A mid-sized like a C class or 3-series is 4,80. Cars have grown a lot over the years!
But where @neclimdul makes a good point, if you take the largest sedans manufacturers offer, they won’t fit the spot either. For instance: Mercedes S-class is 5,20m long (for the regular version).
Still, the pick-up trucks like pictured are way bigger, for reference a RAM is 5,80m. So in this example, if we’d parked a Mercedes S-class in the same spot, it will cross the line as well, but the tram would still have enough clearance to pass.
I guess my knowledge of cars must have atrophied…
Second that. I drive a Seat Alhambra, and parking in Rotterdam is a pain in the whatever. We have turned to leave the car on the hotel parking lot and use the tram, which, incidentally, seems to be the only vehicle the cyclists actually respect, even when they basically ignore all signs and traffic lights.
Yea, I was going to say this. We have to park in the back of a lot with the tailgate over a curb to the truck fits into a space.
Fuck that. Those cars should be banned here in america.
How else are they gonna haul their 3 bags of groceries AND own the libs?
Ban track yem this side of Proxima Centauri
Owners of such cars should be required to take extra training about where they can operate them, restricting them like large commercial vehicles (which these try to be)
Let them have them; don’t let them drive them in tight urban areas, don’t let them park in parking places that can’t fit them
Australia is much like America with places designed for motor vehicles. So American light trucks fit here, but many of our carparks do not allow vehicles longer than 5m to enter
longer than 5m
Not car anymore, it’s truck.
A brand new Ford Transit Custom is just over 5m, there’s probably a few station wagons that are the same.
One of the many points that prevent cybertrucks from European roads is actually the requirement for a commercial truckers licence to operate it.
Yeah this is the thing.
If someone can make a case for actually needing the capabilities of this vehicle… fine. That doesn’t mean you can just park wherever you want and complain that the bays are too small though.
They say everything is bigger in Texas. Apparently not the parking spaces. These ugly trucks don’t even fit in parking lots.
They’re not a car, they’re a truck, and can do things no passenger vehicle can do.
Trying to park a light truck in the middle of a city is entirely on the driver though.
The space in the back is smaller than the trunk a station wagon usually has. So all they can do is tow something, which any run off the mill SUV can also do. For the vast majority of actual work, we tend to use Sprinters in Europe. These trucks are completely useless here.
Vehicles like this are typically a “one Tonne” pickup, meaning they can carry a metric tonne or more in the bed. They can also tow huge amounts, 4.5 tonne or more often.
Whether the owner actually uses that capacity is another question, but they can do things no SUV or station wagon can.
“This is why we don’t need #US #cars in #Europe”
We don’t need this shit in the US, either. I hope that tram just rammed the fucker.
I hope the city seized the truck, auctioned it off, and fined the owner for littering.
In Estonia, at your second
speedingdrunk-driving violation they confiscate your vehicle - and if it’s an SUV they send it to Ukraine.For backstory, see latest episode of the podcast The Urbanist Agenda.
I heard this was if you get caught for drunk driving the second time, they stepped up their game damn.
You’re right, I meant drunk driving, not speeding.
But some countries take speeding pretty seriously too (as they should). In Norway you get a short jail spell for something like a 30kmh excess. In Switzerland the fines are adjusted for income so that rich speeders pay more - one guy paid over €1 million! Same system in Finland too, I believe.
Speeding and drink driving play a big part in traffic deaths and also the cost of fixing all the people who do survive is totally preventable so I am all for it. Progressive fines sound very fair too, misbehaving companies in some cases also pay a percentage of their profit so why not citizens as well.
My wealthy ex’s family would just pay the tickets, so he never learned.
I’d beg him not to go 40 in school zones.
Could be that their wealth caused them not to care about fines, if they had to pay 5% of that wealth every time they would definity take it easy in school zones.
Clarification: titled “Let’s Send our Pickup Trucks to Ukraine (with Build the Lanes)”
https://podcastaddict.com/the-urbanist-agenda/episode/196176727
Since, y’know… in a few weeks it won’t be the latest one anymore.
Thank you for the podcast tip, I’d like to learn more about what you described!
This was a great episode, and was great to hear this way to use trucks…
More like melted it down for scrap
and turned it into a new tram (because it’s almost the same size as the fkn tram)
I don’t think we necessarily need to melt down the owner…
I hope too. But because the news headline would be “Dodge Rammed”
Driver comes running over to move the car just in time… “Ram Dodged”
The Most Holy Ram Dodge
I know we’re being hyperbolic here but hard disagree – how awful would that be for everyone on-board? And absolutely not worth the damage to public infrastructure. There’s an established procedure for dealing with blockages, and I hope that process irreparably damages the truck and results in a hefty fine for the owner
Not great for adjacent vehicles either
Yeah exactly. Even in jest I loathe this unquestioned impulse to punish the offender without any thought to collateral. This driver’s primary offense is being oblivious to their impact on others – what message is sent if the reaction is just as oblivious?
Okay I’m done policing morals.
This is 100% illegal, even if there was no tram rails. City would
toetow this car if they were quick enough to respond too.They might even give it the whole foot
No i meant push it away with their toe obv
That tram could give it a good punt
Oh come on Netherlands, you’re better than this, simply declare these vehicles not road worthy as they are not road worthy. Just give owners 6 months to get rid of their dumpster trucks and then prohibit them on public roads and we’re done
There are many professionals driving a bit oversized vehicles, like small cargo trucks and large vans. But these people are smart enough to know they don’t fit in a standard parking spot.
Please tell my neighbour with his 4m99cm (barely legal) van/truck… if I’m parked front side first (charge port to my shed) and he parks opposite side of the lot I can’t even get out.
Or you can do what the idiots at Standards Australia proposed (no news yet on if they’re actually gonna do it).
https://www.standards.org.au/news/revised-standard-recommends-larger-parking-bays-across-the-country
Luckily practically all the feedback in the 3.5 weeks the gave for feedback (suspicious, much?) was “This is dumb, just make standards on maximum vehicle sizes better”
We are captured by the fossil fuel/car industry though, no doubt about it.
I hate that US style vehicles are becoming more popular here too. We gotta ban that shit ASAP.
Standards Australia is a mega rort. There are so many things that should change - such as making all standards viewable by the public to check for non compliance.
Totally agree with the feedback. Reduce and enforce maximum vehicle sizes or class the yank tanks as trucks.
Oh I wish.
The system is corrupted.
See obnoxiously bright headlights, horns which can startle people, etc.
Dodge Ram. Making bank off insecurity
Gender affirming vehicle.
Micropenis compensatior
Gender reaffirming vehlcle.
Time to equip the tram with giant sawblades to clear the way.
Me to tram driver:
“SEND IT, BRO!”
Closest I could find was bros yeeting a car out of the way of a tram.
This looks like a show down.
Tram be like:
"You’re big because the single person inside you is insecure.
I’m big because there are 100 people inside me.
We are not the same."
there are 100 people inside me.
😳
Found Annabel Chong.
Extremely fucked up. Not the quantity of men (it would have probably been extremely painful a couple hours in though. and even more so if she took a break in between), but the fact that she wasn’t paid and wasn’t fairly informed about risks.
TIL
I’ve said both in a single day. The look on the first guy’s face when the 99 others walked in was priceless.
Train can’t dodge, but it can ram…
The Brightline strategy for clearing the tracks
#1 vehicle for drivers being under the influence of alcohol.
Alcohol would explain why someone would purchase the fuck off monstrosity that is the ram. Renting a truck is a better option 99% of the time.
If I were driving drunk regularly, I’d want to be in a tank like this, too.
That will be expensive.
And dumb, how can you not see the tracks?Just like how they can’t see kids when they’re peeling off their driveway.
I worked the ER for a smaller hospital in the past and one evening I was called in because a father had ran over his own son with one of those pickups. The kid ran out to greet him but the father couldn’t see his own kid because the lifted pickup’s hood was too high.
I sincerely hate those wanktanks with all my heart and soul
The kind of people who would just drive on when there’s no witnesses
French has a nice neologism for this phenomenon: autobésité
baised
So what will the authorities in the Netherlands do in this situation? Put a ticket on it and then wait for the owner to move it? Tow it to an impound lot? Flip it and light it on fire?
Whatever size the vehicle, you can’t block the tracks…
EDIT: I’ve been in this situation in streetcars in San Francisco and New Orleans. No emergency vehicles came, no super tow truck…the streetcar just waited and blocked traffic until the driver came back and moved their vehicle. I don’t know what would have happened if the driver never came back, but nothing happened in the 20-30 minutes we waited.
In my country they tow tram track blockers immediately. I think it’s some sort of ‘emergency’ towing too (arrives faster and is more expensive). If it takes too long, they temporarily replace the tram line with a bus. I imagine it’s the same in many places.
Tow it and charge the owner for getting it back.
In my country your car get towed and you get a ticket. Theoretically you could be charged with disruption of a public service.
In Helsinki they have a specific emergency vehicle for clearing tram tracks. It’s especially busy during winter as snow takes away some space from the parking and cars tend to start taking space away from the trams.
Article is in Finnish but hopefully automatic translation can get enough across.
Even setting aside that it’s so unnecessarily huge, imagine having the utter contempt for others and self-importance necessary to park up on tram lines like that.
