• Who knew?
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    09 days ago

    they’re literally all canonically Jewish, lmao Rugrats is not for Nazis

  • @[email protected]
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    012 days ago

    Hey OP, do you actually think Christians in the US are marginalized, or did you just cross-post that alt-right garbage here by accident?

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        I am aware. And usually that means crossposting the jokes or making fun of 4channers, not uncritically repeating their dogwhistles.

        Just so you’re aware, the phrase “noticing things” or “being a noticer” is 4chan lingo for believing there is a Jewish conspiracy to run the world. That’s why I asked OP to clarify.

          • @[email protected]OP
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            011 days ago

            is that the case?

            no, I like to post greentexts I find on the internet for the same reasons everyone else posts greentexts, for everyone to laugh and ridicule at.

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          011 days ago

          In case you aren’t familiar, this place is basically “#Shit4chanSays”. Similar to /c/insanepeoplefacebook or /r/scotiahpeopletwitter

          I don’t think posting something moronic implies agreement

          • @[email protected]
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            011 days ago

            Yeah, I’m aware. There can be a fine line between shitposting/#ShitXSays and just amplifying bigotry. The user’s post history doesn’t inspire confidence in that regard, so it’d be useful to get their perspective on why they’re posting.

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      011 days ago

      religious freedom and freedom of speech only pertain to Christian media duh, Jewish creators who do what they want us offensive because they aren’t Christians.

      freedom for me not for thee

    • @[email protected]
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      011 days ago

      It started as a borrowed holiday; why not sell it out completely before they’re done with it?

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        011 days ago

        Considering the pagan festival christmas was intended to superscede was one of feasting and excess its kind of nice to see the opressor eaten alive from the inside.

  • Boomer Humor Doomergod
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    012 days ago

    It would be hard to include all of the traditions co-opted to create Christmas in a half hour kids show.

        • Flax
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          011 days ago

          Dunno how the date Christmas is celebrated is relevant, or the character surrounding St Nicholas

            • Flax
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              011 days ago

              Not related to the Christian holiday of Christmas, they’re secular

              • Boomer Humor Doomergod
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                011 days ago

                At least you’re better than most Jesus freaks who try to square the circle and say holly stands for Jesus or something.

                So when should they have the secular Christmas special which is the holiday most people celebrate?

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              The winter solstice is on the 21st of December, not the 25th. The dating of Christmas has nothing to do with it.

              Christmas is the date it is because it is 9 months (human gestation period) after the Feast of the Annunciation (25th of March) which gets it’s date from an old attributed date of Jesus’ death.

              In fact, the reason the UK tax date is in March is for the same reason - the new year was the Annunciation. Then 12 days difference due to the Julian/Gregorian shift.

              Edit:

              Also, the link you provided debunks your own claim-

              The popular theory that Christians chose Dec. 25 to co-opt the pagan solstice festival of Sol Invictus is not based on strong evidence but on the margin scribblings of an unnamed Syrian monk in the 12th century.

              And once again echoes what I said

              • Steal Wool
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                011 days ago

                After the equinox, the sun “dies” for 3 days, then starts returning (25th). I read it on the internet.

        • Flax
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          011 days ago

          You’d make a good American Evangelical by the way you take the Bible out of context.

          Christmas trees started as a German tradition where trees were decorated in September with Eucharist Hosts to represent the Tree of Life in Eden, for celebrating Creationtide. As time went on and the tradition travelled, it eventually was used for Christmas.

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                The firm evidence we have is Martin Luther adding candles to a tree (Wikipedia source). That same article goes over two probable origins for the tree:

                • Paradise trees, as your linked YT video explains
                • Vikings and Saxons worshipped trees, and that custom often survived conversion to Christianity

                This is particularly interesting:

                Tree worship was common among the pagan Europeans and survived their conversion to Christianity in the Scandinavian customs of decorating the house and barn with evergreens at the New Year to scare away the devil and of setting up a tree for the birds during Christmas time."

                The Vikings and Saxons worshiped trees. The story of Saint Boniface cutting down Donar’s Oak illustrates the pagan practices in 8th century among the Germans. A later folk version of the story adds the detail that an evergreen tree grew in place of the felled oak, telling them about how its triangular shape reminds humanity of the Trinity and how it points to heaven.

                This article puts the origin of the Paradise Tree around the 12th century, whereas the above quotes point to earlier traditions.

                I think they borrowed from each other. I think pagan converts were adorning their houses with evergreen boughs long before the Paradise Plays and feast of Adam and Eve around the 12th century.

                Here’s what could be a rough sequence of events:

                1. Pagans worship trees and adorn their houses with evergreen boughs
                2. Catholic missionaries spread Christianity across Europe
                3. Early Christian converts retain many of their ccustoms while starting to incorporate Christian customs
                4. Catholic church seeks to replace pagan observances with Christian ones (e.g. Christmas being on Dec 25 was likely to replace pagan celebrations at the time)
                5. A mix of 3 & 4 results in evergreen trees being used as Paradise Trees in the 12th century, which evolves into Christmas trees by the 16th century

                That’s why I say the custom came from paganism. But obviously history is much more complicated.

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                  Except in the 1500s, paganism was generally long gone- at that time, there was no point in placating it. The UK was under a lot of German and french influence, and less so nordic influence. Something as open and humanly universal as “pagans were bringing plants into the house” doesn’t necessarily mean Christmas trees are of pagan origin. Just that pagans brought plants into the house. (With that logic- is putting some flowers out on the table paganism?)

                  Your timeline at 4 is wrong - Christmas was celebrated as early as the second century. Hyppolitus mentioned it and it’s also mentioned in the Epistle of Theophilus.

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          You seriously misread that if you think it’s about Christmas trees in anything but maybe an abstract way. It’s about wooden idols. Who tf is chiseling their Christmas trees into shapes? I thought maybe this would be about Asherah poles or something at least kind of similar but this is a pretty obvious passage about idolatry.

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    012 days ago

    This cracked me up. Like I know the post is framed as a “war on Christian’s” thing but the idea that rugrats tackled these themes is just funny to me.

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    Every. Single. Other. Kids. Show. From. The. 90s. And. Before. Has. An. Overtly. Christian. Christmas. Special. But Rugrats doesn’t, it must be a conspiracy! It must be war on Christian values! It must be indoctrination of the poor Christian children. Oh God, won’t somebody please think of the children!

    Growing up Jewish in the American southeast, Rugrats was literally all I had. Sometimes Christians can just get fucked.

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      Growing up Jewish in the American southeast, Rugrats was literally all I had. Sometimes Christians can just get fucked.

      imagine growing up entirely unaffiliated with anyone’s imaginary friends… in places like louisiana and alabama.

      ‘which church do you go to?’

      none

      ‘no, honey, where do you go on sunday mornings?’

      the kitchen, for cereal.

      ‘oh lord you must worship the devil himself’

      lady, if I don’t believe in your imaginary friend why would I believe in his imaginary enemy?

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        The south is so polarizing for me. I have relatives who live in southern states amd visit often. Compared to northeastern states, everyone down south is soooooooo fucking nice and polite and out going. Yet somehow, on avg, also the dumbest and slowest moving people I’ve ever seen in my life. Never in a rush. Always got this and God that.

        Fuck me running tho they got the best fucking cookout food in the world. BBQ, corn bread, Mac and cheese, greens, its all like a coming of age thing. You turn 13 and you either learn your family recipes or get banished north of the Mason Dixon line lol.

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        Don’t have to imagine lol Judaism is my heritage and culture but it’s never been my religion. Not since my family was thrown out of a synagogue for insisting on Palestinian’s rights when I was young. It is scary, being told you don’t have any morals because you don’t believe in eternal damnation. Sort of makes you grateful that person does believe in hell if it’s the only thing keeping him in line. It’s like the old Ricky Gervais bit: “If you don’t believe there is a God to answer to why don’t you go round raping & murdering as much as you want?” “I do, as much as I want, which is not at all.”

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          It is scary, being told you don’t have any morals because you don’t believe in eternal damnation.

          yeah there seems to be a consistent thing in nutbag adults that they love to scare children with their own psychosis-driven fearmongering. as if they’re driven to pass on the infection via shared trauma.

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          010 days ago

          Not since my family was thrown out of a synagogue for insisting on Palestinian’s rights when I was young.

          Your family sounds based as fuck. I’d like to join; do you have any eligible women between 20 and 35 for me to attempt to court?

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        The south is so polarizing for me. I have relatives who live in southern states amd visit often. Compared to northeastern states, everyone down south is soooooooo fucking nice and polite and out going. Yet somehow, on avg, also the dumbest and slowest moving people I’ve ever seen in my life. Never in a rush. Always got this and God that.

        Fuck me running tho they got the best fucking cookout food in the world. BBQ, corn bread, Mac and cheese, greens, its all like a coming of age thing. You turn 13 and you either learn your family recipes or get banished north of the Mason Dixon line

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          010 days ago

          I miss the food.

          I don’t miss how fucking slow people talk. Like goddamn jimbob I got places to fuckin be.

          • @[email protected]
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            09 days ago

            My bad. Just switched from Sync app to Thunder app and was still learning its mechanics. The Thunder app wasn’t giving me any indication comments were being posted. The comment window would stay open and even when I backed out of it the comment thread wouldn’t show my comment until I backed out of the post comments and reopened them.

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        The south is so polarizing for me. I have relatives who live in southern states amd visit often. Compared to northeastern states, everyone down south is soooooooo fucking nice and polite and out going. Yet somehow, on avg, also the dumbest and slowest moving people I’ve ever seen in my life. Never in a rush. Always got this and God that.

        Fuck me running tho they got the best fucking cookout food in the world. BBQ, corn bread, Mac and cheese, greens, its all like a coming of age thing. You turn 13 and you either learn your family recipes or get banished north of the Mason Dixon line lol.

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    Yeah the religious siginificance of Christmas to the Christians is lost to the mists of fucking time GTFO

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      Before or after september?

      Edit* I know kwanzaa isn’t muslim btw, it just made me think of all the xenophobia that started occurring in 2001