Tbh this is a less bad outcome than I was concerned this was going to have (after letting him in to the prison: “Uh oh, looks like your president thinks you’re a gang member. You can just chill here forever.”)
I’ll be the first to admit that I’m not following every nuance about the deportations - but can someone point me in the direction to understand why El Salvador? Why there?
The headlines and what is written in between them is why.
It’s the government rhetorically asking “Do you wanna see a magic trick?”
El Salvador was once rampant with violent criminal gangs, with a murder rate greater than 1 in 1000. Bukele took power on the promise of restoring peace in El Salvador. He was elected, and started rounding up gang members and imprisoning them without trial and based on their tattoos and social circles. The cops didn’t care if the prisoner had comitted or even accused of a crime, if they had an MS-13 tattoo, right to jail.
San Salvador made a deal with the US to build a megaprison called CECOT. US provided some funding and contractors, El Salvador funded the rest under a government legislation that was forced througn parliament at gunpoint when Bukele marched special forces into Parliament twice to get the bill passed.
CECOT was set up as a maximum security prison, with security outsorced to foreign guards. It has four cell blocks, eith 16 cells each, and each cell holds up to 250 prisoners.
All known gang members were moved there. Guards have rifles with live rounds and will kill on sight any prisoner trying to escape, resist guards, or damage prison property. The prison regimen is 23.5hrs in cell, 0.5hrs outside of the cell for exercise or prayer. Prisoners have no books, bedsheets, mattresses, or any type of item or luxury except pants, socks, underwear, and a shirt.
Prisoners have no trial date, parole period, or chance of release. There is a ‘hole’ for prisoners who cause trouble, which is a bare concrete room, a hole in one corner, and a 100mm hole that lets in light in the daytime, otherwise its pitch black. Prisoners can be sent to the hole for up to 30 days.
The prison funding deal was made with the US in exchange for the US deporting, no questions asked, any MS-13 gang member or other salvadoran illegal immigrant and having them sent straigt to CECOT so there is no possibility that they will return to the US.
Bukele is resisting the natural impetus to check this US citizens status and, if found to be innocent, release him back to the US because this is in direct contradiction to the deal made with the US, that prisoners in CECOT never get to come back to the US. I’ts also in contravention of the CECOT policy to determine if the man is innocent or guilty, because most of the prisoners in CECOT didn’t, and won’t get a trial. Imprisoning innnocent people by their association with violent criminals, if even by familial connection or happnestance, is part of the radically anti-crime ethos of CECOT - Nobody gets due process because it would take too long, gum up the judicial system, and result in MS13 running rampant in El Salvador while the LEO tries to play whackamole.
CECOT is an extreme response to an existential problem that El Salvador faced, and it achieved amazing results in terms of crime and violence reduction and a return to social stability and functional society.
CECOT is a real-world trolley problem. How many innocent people are you willing to lock up amongst the gang members to prevent the murder of innocents out in the real world, including the civilian losses due to government Vs gang warfare if El Salvador falls entirely into an ungovernable lawless warlord-run country like Somalia?
While I knew some of this, I will happily say I did not know it all. Thank you for taking the time to do this level of info dump.
Without due process and unchecked power, Bukele’s regime are the new gangsters. You haven’t solved anything.
Next are the journalists and activists that will end up there.
Fighting violence with violence.
He definitely has. A few years ago, San Salvador was known as the murder capital of the world, but nowadays it’s one of the safest places to live.
Ah yeah, I’m sure lack of due process in an authoritarian regime leaves freedom of speech and accurate reporting of power abuse from the state completely unaffected.
Maybe the murder/crime rate has technically gone down, but the prospect of getting thrown in a literal dungeon without trial for having a tattoo, being mistaken for someone else, or doing some thing the government decided they didn’t like that week, doesn’t sound safe, even if statistically so.
By that definition, the DPRK is “safe” because you’re unlikely to get randomly mugged or something while you’re there. But God have mercy on a tourist who tries to bring home a piece of paper from a hotel room.
Murder rate by ms13 down, murdercamp innocent civilians WAAAAYYYYY up. That other user is eating the fascist propaganda like candy.
Considering all the stuff you’ve written, the let’s say philosophical and ambivalent conclusion there feels inappropriate. A society that puts random innocent people without trial into a death camp is not stable. It all comes off as if the system just restructured the violence (who does it to who and by what means), rather than being on the path of eliminating it…
But it’s an enlightening and valuable comment anyway, thank you. Do you know when was the deal with US made? I can’t find it on Wikipedia…
They’re not deportations because the people being sent there are not from there.
Bukele, the Salvadorian ruler, is a fellow authoritarian, and told Marco Rubio he would disappear whoever they wanted for cash.
Guantanamo Bay is US territory, and our government would be responsible for what happens to these people, but by sending them to a cooperative 3rd party country, Trump and company have declared their hands clean of what happens to anyone sent there after that, and as they are out of US territory, we have no means to ever get any of them back.
They are now talking about sending people born in the US there if they are “bad enough.”
Here is a pretty short article that gives you some more specifics if you want.
If you’ve ever spoken out against the government in writing/online, are part of a labor union, or any kind of minority or LGBT or care about anyone that is, you should get up to speed on this quickly.
Aw. I did not realize Bukele was also authoritarian. That was the missing part.
Thanks!
Also the people being sent there are innocent, likely by any reasonable definition, but certainly by the definition of our Constitution.
Glad to help!
Trump and Bukele are ideologically alike. Bukele wants more funding for his prison, which the US is providing. The prison is basically a black-site with journalists given very limited and controlled access. For all I know, it could be a deathcamp; they do use forced labor, so it is at least a slave camp. Also, they never release anyone from there, which further raises the suspicion of it being a death camp.
Because Trump is having the US pay them a lot of money to take these prisoners.
In fascism 2.0 the same tactics that have worked for hyper capitalist tax havens are now working for death camps
The cruelty is the point. I know you’re probably used to seeing that in some kind of melodramatic context, but that’s actually what it is in this case. The government’s narrative is that the people that they’re grabbing are all insane and violent gang members and that they all deserve life in the harshest conditions possible- conditions that, I presume, are not possible under the already barely enforced eighth amendment. The Trump administration already tested those waters in Trump I with refusing to give detainees such luxuries as beds, blankets, soap, toilet paper, and lights that turn off at night, and got shut down; if they send them to El Salvador, there is no constitution (or pretense thereof) to step in and say “no, you can’t do that”. They’ve said repeatedly and out loud that the terror is the point.
Here’s the big, huge, glowing hot problem that remains, even with news media now reporting that Kilmar’s wife sought a restraining order or something in 2021:
A bunch of these folks were NEVER charged with a crime. The government never had to prove their case to a jury, never got a sentence from a judge, and never even attempted to say what crime these folks committed. They just scooped them up and sent them to a life term in supermax for ??? That’s bad, like really, really, really bad. This puts us squarely in dictatorship territory, and let me be totally unambiguous here: when the government can arbitrarily sentence people to life in prison without even claiming a crime or trying the case before a jury, that is a dictatorship. We are living, right now, in this moment, in a dictatorship. If they can do it to them, they can do it to you-- and they will. In fact, they’re currently discussing avenues for stripping citizenship from US citizens so they can “deport” them to El Salvador, and they’ve confirmed to the press that they’re having those discussions. So, yes, they’re coming for you, too, just not quite yet.
P.S. if you think you’re safe because you’re not political, that doesn’t matter, because they’re political, and they think that sending you to die in an El Salvadorian prison for being gay/atheist/furry/said anything bad about Trump ever/whatever is just dandy.
The president of El Salvador is a pure blooded MAGAt, idolizes Trump and will absolutely do anything for him
That dude is dead. They are hiding it
100%
He’s dead.
I bet he’s in this pile
He’s dead. Calling it now.
They probably executed these people
a lot of people here are saying he’s dead, but the press aren’t. Why?
Because they’re all afraid of reprisals from the trump regime
The press are broadly beholden to journalistic standards that require multiple sources to corroborate something as fact before publishing it. Us regular jack offs have no such limitations.
As to why people are speculating that he’s dead? For one, the place does appear to be a literal death camp. Also, officials in the Administration have admitted he was deported “in error” (though there have been conflicting statements over this and at least one firing). Since any sane person would want to fix a mistake of this magnitude, you could see why them refusing to might make people wonder.
The press are broadly beholden to journalistic standards that require multiple sources to corroborate something as fact before publishing it.
You have forgotten the /s
I am not joking, but I get your joke.
“Broadly” is doing a lot of work here. There is an increasing number of media producers who print whatever they fucking feel like.
There is no press anymore, they have capitulated. All you have are recorders and interpreters that push whatever Trump wants or they get banned/prosecuted.
Standard behaviour in a Fascist regime which is what the USA became under trump
Side note: We now have confirmation that a heavily armed population providers deplorable stats on violence and school shootings while doing exactly nothing to prevent the rise of tyranny… well done USA
Side note: We now have confirmation that a heavily armed population providers deplorable stats on violence and school shootings while doing exactly nothing to prevent the rise of tyranny… well done USA
Yeah my dude, just because I carry or have firearms doesn’t mean I’m obligated to protect you or your rights.
YOU have an obligation to provide for your safety and to advocate for your rights.
If there was a public shooting, I have no legal obligation to protect anyone. My goal would be to find a place of safety for me and my family and use my gun to eliminate or at least dissuade the attacker from going after me and mine. You and yours are on your own.
We are also not nearly at the point of armed rebellion or insurrection here in the US. If you feel this strongly about it perhaps you should take responsibility for yourself and arm yourself instead of depending on others to do it for you.
TFW a revolution against the government is just another part of your ruggedly individualistic grindset
If you want to have that victim mentality grindset and be dependent upon others that is entirely your decision.
Lol yeah dude you’re gonna be Indiana Jones surviving a nuke by hiding in the fridge 💪
It says a lot about you when you choose to cite the weakest Indiana Jones movie.
But hey your the one who’s plan is to wait for someone else to save you sooo… 🤷🏻
Yeah my dude, just because I carry or have firearms doesn’t mean I’m obligated to protect you or your rights.
Anyone with common sense would have spotted that… but the sole reason your constitution allows such carefree access to guns was supposed to be so you can defend YOUR OWN COUNTRY against fascism…
The point being in that it is now proven there is no value in allowing people to freely carry guns; it’s a net detriment to society
YOU have an obligation to provide for your safety and to advocate for your rights.
As a Canadian I do, we just do it in a civic way as Fascism has not hit us yet…
If there was a public shooting, I have no legal obligation to protect anyone. My goal would be to find a place of safety for me and my family and use my gun to eliminate or at least dissuade the attacker from going after me and mine. You and yours are on your own.
Nobody is asking you… but you keep missing the part where a public shooting is a reality for you since so many people can have guns with almost no preparation, safety or responsibility. Feel free to keep living in your Rambo hero fantasy
We are also not nearly at the point of armed rebellion or insurrection here in the US
Let me guess, you think that because they have not come for you yet?.. “fuck you, got mine” is a lousy way to build a society
Anyone with common sense would have spotted that… but the sole reason your constitution allows such carefree access to guns was supposed to be so you can defend YOUR OWN COUNTRY against fascism… The point being in that it is now proven there is no value in allowing people to freely carry guns; it’s a net detriment to society
There are many reasons the right to gun ownership is enshrined in the constitution. Resisting or eliminating tyranny is the most extreme example. But anyone not trying to make hyperbolic anti-2A statements would know this. There is great value in carrying guns. Statistically speaking conceal and carry card holders are the most law abiding segment of society.
As a Canadian I do, we just do it in a civic way as Fascism has not hit us yet…
Lol, your Conservative Party candidate Pierre Poilievre was well on his way to winning handily until Trump derailed him with his 51st state and tariff antics. I also seem to remember far right truckers shutting down your highways a few years ago. As much as Canadians love to think they are different from the US, you’re not. You just might get lucky that Trump scared your moderate voters away from facism.
Nobody is asking you… but you keep missing the part where a public shooting is a reality for you since so many people can have guns with almost no preparation, safety or responsibility. Feel free to keep living in your Rambo hero fantasy
Your moral compass seems to lack direction. You were just advocating for armed insurrection in the US on your last post. Now you advocate for non violence? BTW Rambo fantasy? How is stating that you would finding a safe place and defending your life with your firearm instead of run and gunning it with an active shooter a Rambo fantasy? You seem to have such a rabid anti gun stance that it clouds your judgement.
Let me guess, you think that because they have not come for you yet?.. “fuck you, got mine” is a lousy way to build a society.
See my statement above about advocating for violence and then condemning. This is truly Olympic level mental gymnastics to justify your hypocrisy.
There are many reasons the right to gun ownership is enshrined in the constitution
There is literally only one. It has been twisted into a pretzel of ignorance and illogical fallacies but there is only one. If you think there are more than 1, I’d be happy to read the source
Lol, your Conservative Party candidate Pierre Poilievre was well on his way to winning handily until Trump derailed him
Correct, thanks for the live example. Unlike Americans, it seems we noticed and learned… you lived through the first tRump term and decided you wanted more punishment
Your moral compass seems to lack direction. You were just advocating for armed insurrection in the US on your last post. Now you advocate for non violence?
No, your reading comprehension lacks competence. The USA is under a fascist regime and as such, an armed resistance should be forming. Canada is not under the same threat (except from the USA) and more importantly, we do not have the “right to bear arms” for a well regulated militia.
See my statement above about advocating for violence and then condemning.
A complete non-sequitur… My comment on you having the “fuck you, got mine” mentality is based entirely on your claim you are not willing to move a finger for anyone other than yourself AND that you do not think tRump is enough of a dictator to do anything about it. I am simply pointing out that you think the tRump has not “crossed the line” is that you have not been personally affected by his fascist government. It has literally zero to do with my suggestion an armed resistance should form nor am I even condemning it at all LOL
The only violence I am condemning in my comment is the fact that the idiots armed in the USA only brought school shootings… and yes, I condemn school shootings, don’t you? let me guess, it has not affected you directly so probably you’d say “we are not there yet”
There is literally only one. It has been twisted into a pretzel of ignorance and illogical fallacies but there is only one. If you think there are more than 1, I’d be happy to read the source
Feel free to read it, seems like you could use an education.
https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-2/
Correct, thanks for the live example. Unlike Americans, it seems we noticed and learned… you lived through the first tRump term and decided you wanted more punishment
Lol, please Canadians learned nothing until Trump started talking trash about Canada. Before then Canadians saw Trump v1 and decided they wanted their own shit tier version with French subtitles. BTW I voted for the lady with the economics degree. I didn’t vote for this shit.
No, your reading comprehension lacks competence. The USA is under a fascist regime and as such, an armed resistance should be forming. Canada is not under the same threat (except from the USA) and more importantly, we do not have the “right to bear arms” for a well regulated militia.
I can read just fine. Once again you seem to be advocating for armed violence. BTW YOU are the one who decided to comment about our American 2A rights and now you want to crawl away and hide behind your lack of rights. Pathetic.
A complete non-sequitur… My comment on you having the “fuck you, got mine” mentality is based entirely on your claim you are not willing to move a finger for anyone other than yourself AND that you do not think tRump is enough of a dictator to do anything about it. I am simply pointing out that you think the tRump has not “crossed the line” is that you have not been personally affected by his fascist government. It has literally zero to do with my suggestion an armed resistance should form nor am I even condemning it at all LOL The only violence I am condemning in my comment is the fact that the idiots armed in the USA only brought school shootings… and yes, I condemn school shootings, don’t you? let me guess, it has not affected you directly so probably you’d say “we are not there yet”
Wow that was amazing, contradicting yourself in back to back sentences. You start out by stating I’m a selfish jerk for not actively shooting people who are shooting at me. Then you advocate for me to shoot people who are not shooting at me. Then you top it off with a tangent about school shootings where you then condemn shooting people.
Pick a lane and stay in it. You sound like a 🤡.
To be clear, the only stance I have taken is for self defense and that I have no obligation to put myself in danger defending you. I also advocate that we are no where near the need for armed violence against others.
That’s not the real reason for the amendment. This is one of the few things where the real reason is right there in the text itself.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,
It was so they could easily assemble a defense force without the need of a standing army just like they did at the start of the revolution. Not so the peasant masses could more easily overthrow them.
Well yes but the current interpretation was that peasant masses could defend themselves from tyrannical governments… it has always been a pretzel of logic but that is what they pushed and why the USA is such a violent mess now
It’s just like when scientists study obvious things. We needed a rigorous and comprehensive study to show proof and the US has provided that.
Yeap, confirming it was not just a biased observation but objective reality instead
It’s just speculation, but they’re saying it because nobody has ever been released from CECOT. It’s not unlikely that they are just murdering the inmates and pocketing the money that the United States is giving them, or not sufficiently protecting inmates from violence between other inmates.
It’s not unlikely that they are just murdering the inmates
I do think that’s rather unlikely. After Bukele came into power promising a massive reduction in violent crime he met with the leaders of all the major gangs in El Salvador. He asked them tor reduce violent crime in exchange for payoffs and a promise of improved conditions for prisoners. Within 2 years of that agreement violent crime in El Salvador reached the lowest point it’s been in 30 years. If it comes out that prisoners in CECOT are dying, that agreement disappears and violent crime skyrockets. That would completely undermine Bukele’s basis of support.
The press are just government cheerleaders these days
Because the guy is prolly dead
Yeah that man is in pieces already
That place has literally never released a prisoner…
The place isn’t huge, and lots of people get there sent there.
But no one ever comes out.
I don’t think anyone can be returned from there because they put zero effort in keeping records of who is who, it’s a death camp.
100 people to a cell. Nope, that’s not a typo.
I was wondering about that. Like these people are being deported, but instead they’re just in a gulag for how long… Are they actually being repatriated to their country of origin?
Most of the people we’ve (the US) sent there have not been “deported” and cannot be repatriated because they were never citizens of El Salvador. Lots were apparently Venezuelan, I guess, but I don’t really know how solid of a claim even that is because it really sounds like ICE has been instructed to just grab any brown people with tattoos when they go out on their raids. The people that have been forcibly removed from the US and human trafficked into El Salvador have been kidnapped and exiled, effectively given a lifetime sentence (however short that may be) in a foreign concentration camp without any due process or means for recourse.
This shit’s fucked.
for how long…
The rest of their lives…
I was being serious, they’ve never released a prisoner from there.
And they arrest so many people that even in the worst conditions they shouldn’t be dying fast enough to make room.
It’s not a gulag, it’s a straight up death camp.
It’s not going to take long before people start realize ICE grabbing you means certain death, and that at that point they legitimately have nothing to lose and start reacting appropriately when they’re grabbed.
Not to make light of anything, but “isn’t huge”?
As of 11 June 2024, CECOT had a population of 14,532 inmates. With a capacity for 40,000 inmates, CECOT is the largest prison in Latin America and one of the largest in the world by prisoner capacity.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_Confinement_Center
Wow. The prison is named Cecot. I just read a few articles on it. That place is fucked up. Was built for 20,000 people, but capacity then doubled. Like 80 people to a cell with no sheets or pillows on all metal beds. A bucket of water in each cell to drink. You eat (no meat ever served) in your crowded cell that has no chairs and the lights stay on 24/7 and you only get out of your cell 30 minutes a day. The country more or less eliminated due process a few years back. No inmates are allowed visitors or phone calls or letters. Also, no books or games or playing cards or anything that could provide any sort of entertainment. If you’re supposed to go before a judge it’s done over video conference call. Lot of other fucked up shit, too.
The US paid El Salvador $6,000,000 to take the 240ish people there. Like $25,000 a person.
Those last few numbers were what the new head of DHS meant when he said he wanted to make deportations “more like Amazon prime”
They need to work on the return policy if they want to be like Amazon. It’s well within 30 days.
(I am so sorry I use comedy to survive the daily mental assaults)
The secret sixth stage of grief is gallows humor. I’ve been living there for a while 🫠
what in the hell is going on
Evil is running the world, I mean, more than usual.
Guy’s probably already dead.
We have a President trafficking humans right in front of our eyes.
USians are discovering real fast they dont call the shots anywhere else.
We’re literally paying El Salvador to take these folks. We hold the purse strings in this case.
Americans are absolutely calling the shots here. That’s why El Salvador has him and is keeping him: because the US government is paying them to do so.
The US government is telling the US government to return him but the US government isn’t listening to the US government. I think the statement that the US has lost control of the reigns is apt. The US government cannot currently control the US government.
The US government, like all governments, is comprised of individual people with varying motivations. The person asking for his return is not part of the executive branch, which is what’s paying to keep people in CECOT.
A sitting Senator who is a member of the minority opposition party is asking for him to be returned. The US administration is paying the Salvadoran government to keep him there. The VP of El Salvador told Senator Van Hollen that if the US embassy asked for him to be released they would release him.
A sitting Senator who is a member of the minority opposition party is asking for him to be returned.
You’ve buried the lede so deep. Try “the nine justices of the Supreme Court made a unanimous decision.”
I’m talking about what the headline of the article here says.
Did anyone actually think they’d let him see anything? Why would they.
I’m not naive enough to think he’s still alive but that’s beside the point.
Realistically? No
Ideallistically? Yes. At the least prove he is alive and ok. They had to know this would be coming and had they done this it probably quiets down some of the criticism.
I think he is still alive. Bukele made agreements with the leaders of all the major gangs in El Salvador to get them to reduce violent crime. In exchange he gave some money and concessions as to how prisoners would be treated. If it comes out that prisoners are dying in CECOT, the gangs are going to treat that as Bukele breaking their agreement and violent crime will shoot up.
Even if he’s still alive, though, there’s a 0% chance he, or anyone else Trump sends there, will ever come out of CECOT while Bukele or Trump is still in power. It would completely undermine so much about their regimes at this point. They are using CECOT as the ever present existential threat against opposition. It’s supposed to be a black hole people go into and never leave. They can’t let anyone out ever or it proves that people can get out. They don’t want anyone to believe that is possible. They can’t let anyone believe that is possible or it’ll breed massive opposition in both countries.
Bukele made agreements with the leaders of all the major gangs in El Salvador to get them to reduce violent crime. In exchange he gave some money and concessions as to how prisoners would be treated. If it comes out that prisoners are dying in CECOT, the gangs are going to treat that as Bukele breaking their agreement and violent crime will shoot up.
This agreement makes no sense. Nobody ever leaves CECOT alive so what are these gangs supposedly gaining by agreeing to this?
Nobody ever leaves CECOT alive so what are these gangs supposedly gaining by agreeing to this?
Loyalty from the gang members still inside.
Amazingly, gang leaders are very often able to operate even while in prison. And of course, there’s possible hits inside of the prison system that need to be “taken care of” by members inside.
Prisons are just an extension, basically, for gang life.
I take one issue who you’re replying to: Violent crime will go up, but first, there will be massive dollars on Bukake’s head.
The other user responded with an actual quote about the situation and it only discusses special treatment for gang leaders like cellphones, prostitutes, and cash payments to gang leaders for their cooperation. This seems like a reasonable thing for these gangs to agree to because they’re gaining all the benefits.
What still doesn’t make sense is why these gangs would blow up this agreement just because some prisoners from the US are being killed or mistreated. It’s not as if the leaders of some of the most violent gangs in the world are human rights advocates. It all just feels like disinformation from this user in order to con people here into complacency and thinking things aren’t quite that bad for the people being illegally held there by the US.
Well, because it would lead them to believe gang members are also being killed.
Except for the fact that these leaders are incarcerated alongside the gang members and freely allowed to talk to them as per the agreement. There’s no reason for them to jeopardize such a sweet gig to protect some strangers from the US. In fact they probably despise these people as they see them as traitors or potential rivals, so again why would they care?
All that aside, this is the same exact tactic Mexico tried with the cartels 15+ years ago, stop the killing and we’ll be lax on enforcement, and it blew up in their face before long. The same will happen in El Salvador too.
I didn’t make the agreement. It’s been widely reported on.
The US treasury said that an investigation into government officials and gang leaders revealed the secret negotiations. Luna [chief of the Salvadoran penal system and vice-minister of justice and public security] and Marroquin [chairman of the Social Fabric Reconstruction Unit] allegedly “led, facilitated and organized a number of secret meetings involving incarcerated gang leaders, in which known gang members were allowed to enter the prison facilities and meet with senior gang leadership”.
In addition to financial benefits for the gang members, incarcerated leaders received special treatment in the prisons, including access to mobile phones and sex workers. It said Luna also negotiated support from MS-13 and Barrio 18 gangs for Bukele’s national quarantine during the Covid-19 pandemic.
It sounds like the gang leaders who negotiated with Bukele’s regime are incarcerated themselves. And it’s not just prisoners in CECOT who are getting better conditions. It’s incarcerated gang members all over the country.
That quote is sparkly different from your summary. It states that gang leaders get special privileges like prostitutes and the ability to meet with their underlings in order to continue running the gang, along with government funding for the gang. What it doesn’t say is that conditions for rank and file prisoners have improved, nor does it state that prisoner conditions have improved nationwide. The quote actually makes sense why they would agree to this, but your assertions here don’t.
Do you really think some MS-13 gang leader is going to give up his only access to running the gang, cash payments from the government, and a steady stream of prostitutes because some prisoner from the US is being mistreated or killed? I find that pretty far-fetched.
This really reeks of disinformation in order to trick people into thinking things aren’t so bad in CECOT and complacency in that there’s some sort of safety valve that will automatically keep things from deteriorating into a straight up Nazi concentration camp.
No, I think that proving one guy in CECOT has died brings into question the treatment of everyone else in CECOT, including gang members the leaders of the gang do care about.
Those gang leaders have direct and unmonitored access to the outside world so why would anyone need to question their treatment when they have the ability to tell everyone exactly how they are being treated? Again, why would they give two shits about how some dudes from the US are being treated when they’re the ones enjoying all the privileges?
The leaders are only leaders because the unincarcerated members of the gangs listen to them and do what they say. They only do that because they believe the gang leaders have power and influence. Part of that, now, is protection for gang members who get locked up. How long do you think those leaders are going to remain leaders when everyone knows they made a deal with Bukele that Bukele isn’t living up to? Not long.
My personal conspiracy theory based on absolutely no evidence is that they aren’t tracking who is who there so they don’t know where he is and obviously everyone would say they’re him.
I don’t understand what justification El Salvador has for keeping a man imprisoned who never broke any of their laws. Can I pay them to hold my neighbour in prison? How much does it cost?
Depends, what’s your neighbor look like?
25k
If your neighbor causes enough trouble for Trump, we might just find out.
Tourism makes up 11% of El Salvador’s GDP.
Sounds like that should change too.
I mean I guess but I’m more disturbed by the fact that they have so much tourism given the fact they’ve had concentration camps for years
Who the fuck was going to El Salvador?
The concentration camps are not years old. They’re 2 years old top.
If anything they’re getting more tourism after the camps. Obviously now they’ve evolved beyond just housing Salvadorans, but their initial installation made the country a lot safer (at the cost of authoritarianism and unfair policing. Not trying to justify them, but the country is “technically” safer)
People like tropical places
North Korea is balmy too. I just don’t get why anyone would risk it
It’s not balmy in North Korea.
Latin Americans. Not United States citizens.
Being South American doesn’t make it any less likely to be put into a concentration camp for jaywalking
Despite recent events, the camps weren’t built with holding North Americans in mind…
I’m explaining the fucking tourism numbers, you potato. Not the nuances of jaywalking.
Well, that escalated quickly.
That happens with bot/farm accounts.
Wait I’m confused. Did you just admit to being a bot account?
