Lemmy is pretty damn close to that there’s only like five conservatives but they are all the same person.
And we still don’t ever get along, hahahaha
Nobody hates those who oppose conservatism like other people who oppose conservatism. 🙄
Y’all have just made an enemy for life
Yeah, if it wasn’t for the news in lemmy, I’d assume the world was all sunshine and roses, and everybody was cool like me.
We’re all happy depressed furries optimizing our linux experience on our thinkpads.
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My apologies. I didn’t mean to exclude the catgirls.
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We can share mine
@_@
mesmerized by your name
But you’re a happy depressed furry optimizing your linux experience, and that’s all that matters.
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No, there’s me AND Steve.
Horseshoe theory is rightfully maligned on the nose, but I’ve had to play the “Leftist diphsit or Redcap troll” game too many times to discount it DX
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Well, just look at what happened to the Lemmy conservative communities.
It seems like most have been taken over and turned into only satire posts about conservatives; only a few are truly for conservatives, mostly in other federations, not leemmmy.world.
Good. We don’t want conservatives here.
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What nation?
In general, or in left-leaning communities?
Self-built echo chambers and self-censorship seem to hinder our views, especially when it comes to being able to notice populist viewpoints and what the working class views are on politics.
The main issue comes from people not actually debating in good faith or their arguments boiling down to “I just don’t think people that are different from me should exist.”
Echo chambers aren’t good sure, just look at the .ml instances, but allowing “free speech” and bigotry isn’t good as well.
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Yes, that is a problem when it comes to having discussions with others, especially if political tribalism is heavily involved.
Echo chambers aren’t good sure, just look at the .ml instances,
It seems . ML has an echo chamber problem then.
allowing “free speech” and bigotry isn’t good as well.
It is free speech and our first amendment right; privately owned platforms do like to hinder and censor dissidents, with help from the government.
It has to be consistent because it is always used for one side first, then it is used against the other later on.
I think we have found out that many free speech absolutists are hypocrites and were using it as an excuse to help their profits.
I think Glenn Greenwald is an excellent example of someone with consistency when he shares his views and critiques, especially when you see his background:
Glenn Edward Greenwald is an American journalist, author, and former lawyer. In 1996, Greenwald founded a law firm concentrating on First Amendment litigation.
Glen Greenward is extremely pro-Russia and continues to repeat debunked lies about Ukrainian biolabs.
extremely pro-Russia
repeat debunked lies
This goes back to tribalism within politics and what propaganda apparatus we each prefer to consume on the daily.
I am always going to be highly critical of all governments, oligarchy-controlled media, and politicians.
The status quo is what is fed to the working class, but new media and the internet have helped fight the echo chambers and censorship we are born in; being pro-war and believing everything our governments tell us to believe will be much harder when there are multiple sources of information.
Both.
Conservatives have nothing of value to contribute to discussions. I say that on the basis of having made serious attempts at engagement with them. They are very anti-intellectual and bring down the quality of discussion to quips and shouting matches. BlueMAGA types are similar, but they are at least toned down a few degrees, and importantly, they aren’t openly bigoted and exclusionary. Like, you’re never going to have trans people and MAGA coexisting in the same online spaces and I’d much rather have the former than the latter, as there’s a much higher probability of them saying something worthwhile.
It’s like, imagine two doctors trying to discuss the intricacies of their field in a room where a conspiracy theorist, like, say, Jimmy Dore for example, is listening in for some phrase they can twist around and take out of context and attack them with. That’s what it’s like having conservatives in an online space.
Outside of online spaces, conservatives are largely incompatible with a functioning society, they don’t understand basic concepts needed for the government to function, and their heads are instead filled with a bunch of harmful and objectively wrong ideas. They will fight tooth and nail against their own interests just to stop anyone else from having good things.
On the rare occasions when they accidentally stumble into a correct take, it’s because they’re wrong twice, and it only muddies the waters for people who have a similar take for coherent reasons.
Name one thing that conservatives contribute to any discussion that’s worth listening to.
Conservatives have nothing of value to contribute to discussions.
This is why Trump is in the oval office, and some of you are too full of yourselves to see it.
I say that on the basis of having made serious attempts at engagement with them.
You mean calling them Nazi’s and fascists and telling them they should be murdered because they want to stop illegal immigration didn’t work?! I am SHOCKED.
I think I understand what you are saying, but that is the nature of a society.
We all have our own unique upbringings and experiences that shape us.
Political tribalism helps increase the difficulty of uniting the working class. Divide and conquer is still relevant in our society, especially with identity politics and social issues.
I think it fundamentally goes back to:
It is difficult to have discussions with people that do not share our views or way of thinking.
It takes a lot of time and effort IRL and on forums.
The problem with this sentiment is that you misrepresent the points of contention. This is not a disagreement over people’s preferred pizza toppings, where parties can safely “agree to disagree.” We are talking about positions that pose a clear, real, immediate existential threat to entire groups of people, simply because they exist. Do you really think this hasn’t been discussed? Do you genuinely think this hasn’t been talked about, debated, argued, demonstrated, illustrated, and experienced ad infinitum for literal decades?
The reason you are being downvoted (and justly so) is that your argument in this case is literally a form of victim-blaming. People being actively harmed, abused, and oppressed are under no obligated whatsoever to try and meet their aggressors in the middle or to concede any part of their existence to them. This disease was festering long before the internet existed. “Echo chambers” have nothing to do with it. It a matter of good versus evil, right versus wrong, liberty versus death. Neither the oppressed mor their defenders will lie down and die because you are inconvenienced by conflict they never wanted.
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Divide and conquer strategies work.
I am saying that we need to unite the working class where we agree, not just focus on where we disagree.
The duopoly will always work against the working class while handing out crumbs so as to win some small points.
We must build a rainbow coalition (Black Panther Party) instead of continuing the political tribalism of blue versus red teams (Bloods versus Crips).
That is why I mentioned:
It is difficult to have discussions with people that do not share our views or way of thinking.
It takes a lot of time and effort IRL and on forums.
It takes time and effort to build up a rainbow coalition, but it is possible.
Chris Smalls was able to do it with the Amazon Labor Union (ALU) in Staten Island; instead of talking to people where they disagree, they come together on things that they agree with.
Right, but for some of us, our upbringings and experiences include, “Reading actual works of political theory” while for others it involves, “Watching cable TV.” An ignorant viewpoint is not on an equal level as an informed one.
Of course, uniting the working class is important, but that doesn’t mean falling into “Tailism,” that is, adopting reactionary views to ingratiate ourselves to a reactionary population. The goal is to spread education and knowledge to make the population less reactionary. It is necessary, to a degree, to meet people where they’re at and to accommodate their concerns, but there is a line to be drawn. Engaging in Tailism fractures the left, alienates comrades who will object for legitimate reasons, legitimizes reactionary views, and makes a movement far more susceptible to opportunists, who are only concerned with their own advancement and willing to sell out members of the working class, since, you know, that’s what Tailism is.
If you want to actually build a working class coalition, the most important thing is to practice solidarity. Everyone is part of a minority, in a sense. For instance, whatever job you have, most people aren’t involved in that field. Being a minority in a democracy is inherently precarious, because the majority could take your rights away. Solidarity means an alliance between disparate groups to stand together for mutual defense. But that alliance is broken when you sell out a group for political gain. Not only do you lose that group, but every group in the coalition starts wondering if they’ll be next, and starts worrying about themselves than coming to the defense of others who might be more in the crosshairs. If solidarity breaks down, then how can the working class be united?
Thanks for your comment!
I agree, identity politics and social issues are divide-and-conquer strategies the duopoly uses against the working class.
We need to build a rainbow coalition (Black Panther Party), similar to how Chris Smalls was able to make the Amazon Labor Union (ALU) in Staten Island.
Bringing together the working class on what we agree on instead of focusing on what we don’t agree on.
Those other ones are the ones that have five different accounts being ran by the same person.
I think that is the norm on lemmy, though, not just conservative leaning accounts.
I don’t think you’re right but I’d be more then willing to look at any proof you have of that.
Oh, interesting!
What is interesting is your complete lack of proof.
All is well.
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imagine thinking jimmy fucking dore of all people is a “lefty” might as well make a user name ElonMuskIsAJain
It is always funny when people who criticize the status quo (Democrats, Bernie Sanders, AOC) from the left instead of the right are labeled the boogeyman.
Nice try, though.
You’re not doing anything from the left.
I disagree, but thanks for sharing your views on the matter.
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- word, sharing
Anyone can just look at any of the cums you moderate or comments you make and make up their own mind.
True.
I make it easy to see what I share and what my thoughts are on politics.
I try to keep and share my views in simple terms so it is easier to understand.
Dude, you spammed a hit piece about sanders that claimed he doesn’t support universal healthcare.
Now you’re whining about a lack of representation for maga chuds.
I would encourage you to rewatch the video.
It seems you just read the title.
I don’t click on spam.
No surprise there; label everything that is to your left or that goes against your thinking as spam or the boogeyman of your choice.
Self-built echo chambers and self-censorship are not things we should be proud of; they are unhealthy for our society.
… can… can we go there?
It’s funny cuz people actually think this way, and don’t realize what a self-own it is.
I just look fondly back on the times when there was a slightly higher barrier-to-entry to those that wanted to access and use the internet.
Have we tried putting them on a boat and sending on to find the next continent? If we did that, I might start celebrating Columbus day!
Yeah, several times. The colonies of every major recent empire were essentially formed this way. It sounds good on paper, but it ends up just being harborage for conservatism.
G’day mate.
Someone added that to the PragerU post? Because I can’t imagine PragerU posting a Utopian image with that text. PragerU are worse than Fox “Newz”.
PragerU posted the text, someone added the image.
I am so sick of the word conservative. It’s not conservative, it’s fucking regressive. It’s back sliding our society into a world that never really existed in the first place.
It’s not conservative, it’s fucking regressive.
I mean, Liberals aren’t particularly liberal and far too many of the Progressives are barely progressive. Libertarians don’t seem that interested in liberty. Centrists can’t find the center. Plutocrats are immolating their capital. The Meritocrats are unqualified. The Technocrats are incompetent. Only the Fascists seem intent on delivering results consistent with their brand.
I don’t disagree. The world liberal is wasted on the Democratic party. They’re not liberal. They’re just the only valid opposition to the Nazis. Even if their policies are conservative.
They’re just the only valid opposition to the Nazis.
I think you’re asking “opposition” to do more heavy lifting than it can bear in that sentence.
state sponsored censorship is bad
I think about the Soviet Union and communism and whatnot. I think your concept of liberal and conservative really set in a modern period. So now it means something totally different than what it used to mean. Liberals are not liberals, and conservatives are not conservatives, in the modern era in America. Like you might not agree with a European conservative, but they’re not absolutely horrible, unlike the ultra far right in Europe as well as here in America. Now that might all change due to how much the establishment turns up the volume and the mass hysteria kicks in though. I’m coming from a sociological point of head space, mindset. In regards to America’s liberal and conservative i see both as reactionary. America is one of the most propagandized populations in the world. We’re like a mixture of North Korea and Disneyland without your wallet. An open-air prison where everybody’s gaslighting the fuck out of you. The show must go on, remember to smile. to elaborate further, I think maybe it’s always been like this and it just has to do with the bread getting short and the rise of right-wing populism. I think all of this lives on like a spectrum. I just think of Mass hysteria. The Masters know how to fuck with our heads. Like I’m gonna hide underneath my fucking desk to keep myself safe from a nuclear bomb. Fucking ridiculous.
This reminds me of a conversation I had with my mom about Trump taking away Social Security. She said it was impossible and we wouldn’t let him do it. And I told her, not only would we let him do it, but after the media gets finished, we’d be browbeating those that complained about it ending. It’s ridiculous how Americans have adapted to tolerating the most abhorrent shit. Like, healthcare, minimum wage, “right to work “ states, etc.
Imagine all the people…
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Love how even in this future people still park on the fuckin sidewalks.
Really? We would be better after blocking quite the range of views we don’t like?
not the views we don’t like, but the ones that cause harm and suffering for western societies.
And where do we draw that line? And why only Western?
And where do we draw that line? And why only Western?
as i said to the previous poster, “i believe neuroscience has the ability to quantify suffering.”
i speak of western cultures because we are so obsessed with individual liberty that we will be the hardest to convince that some censorship in the interest of promoting a healthy society is possible and needed.
And where do we draw that line? And why only Western?
“Ones that cause harm and suffering” is subjective though.
Blocking online content, even ones we don’t like, is a slippery slope
i believe it can be objective. i believe neuroscience has the ability to quantify suffering. i believe if we spent more time studying neuroscience and the health of a society, this could all be feasible.
i agree that censorship of things we ‘don’t like’ is not a society i want to live in. i just think that there are objective answers to what now seems like vague questions.
You may believe it cna be objective but believing that isn’t enough.
it takes will and research and development.
As in all conservative opinions.
No, just the views that are constant lies
Conservatism in the use has nothing to do with actual conservative thoughts, quite the opposite, really. It’s just a cover for the rich to steal from, and control the poor.
Ant conservative media in the use today is just one large stream of lies, lies, lies. Anything to keep you distracted from the fact that they’re stealing the coffers empty, anything to keep you so angry about “the others” that you wo t even consider talking to them to realise that you’ve been played
So you mean misinformation, not conservatism.
Yep, but right now those two are mostly the same, and constant. Especially in the us
Yeah, mostly. The fact that they aren’t exactly the same and aren’t synonymous is why makes this meme post stink of censorship imo.
It’s censorship for sure, but I’d dare to argue that not all levels of censorship are bad
No… but the level described in this meme is the bad one (aka absolute censorship).
No, we can block just conservative media, thanks.
Great. Let’s solve all the problems with censorship! That totally works and totally addresses the root cause rather than the symptoms.
Self-built echo chambers are not something to be proud of; we know those are unhealthy.
There is a whole world of political opinions that aren’t American conservatism. You can have a diversity of opinions without indulging fascists.
Well, when it comes to politics in the United States versus the world, it seems to differ a good amount, not just with conservatism.
You can have a diversity of opinions without indulging fascists.
Yes, that would be ideal, but we must not forget people do come to the same conclusions without needing to be paid or tricked into thinking or viewing the world a certain way.
Propaganda does affect everyone; we all have our preferred sources of propaganda, even if we see ourselves as being above its reach.
Yes, echo chambers are not at all healthy.
According to neo-reactionaries, eventually socialists will become the new conservatives. 1Dime talks about this. Crazy stuff.
TIL
First I am hearing about this narrative.
I see it as some socialists becoming communists over time, or they give in to the status quo, like AOC and Bernie Sanders.
Thanks for the link. I will have to make time to watch it; it looks like a weird and interesting viewpoint!
Generated Summary:
This YouTube video features a discussion between the host of 1Dime Radio and Michael Downs, author of “Capital VS Timenergy: A Žižekian Critique of Nick Land,” about accelerationism, focusing on the ideas of Nick Land and Curtis Yarvin (Mencius Moldbug), and the challenges of right-wing accelerationism. The conversation also explores “Timeenergy” as a basis for socialism and whether socialism might become a “conservative” movement against the accelerating change of capitalism.
Main Topics:
- Accelerationism: Exploring the philosophies of Nick Land and Curtis Yarvin, particularly their contributions to accelerationist thought.
- Neoreaction (NRx): Discussing the core tenets of neoreactionary ideology and its connection to figures like Mencius Moldbug.
- Capitalism and Artificial Intelligence: Examining Nick Land’s thesis that capitalism is inherently geared towards the development of AI.
- “Timenergy”: Introducing and discussing the concept of “Timenergy” (Time + Energy) as a potential foundation for socialist thought.
- Left vs. Right Accelerationism: Differentiating between left and right-wing approaches to accelerationism.
Key Points:
- Michael Downs’ Background: Downs is presented as a working-class intellectual and autodidact philosopher.
- Nick Land’s Philosophy: Downs provides a detailed breakdown of Nick Land’s philosophical evolution, dividing it into six periods:
- Early Land: Focus on Denal Materialism, influenced by Schopenhauer, Nietzsche, Freud, Bataille, and Deleuze & Guattari.
- Mid-90s: Theory-fiction era, emphasizing capitalism as an engine of decoding and deterritorialization, leading to AI production.
- CCRU Period: Experimental philosophy collective, exploring the occult and the power of “hypers” (fictions becoming real through hype).
- Shanghai Period: Focus on mega-cities as accelerants of AI development.
- Neoreactionary Period: Embracing neoreactionary ideas alongside Curtis Yarvin, advocating for “SOV Corps” (Sovereign Corporations) and anti-democracy.
- Bitcoin Period: Interest in Bitcoin and its technological potential.
- Curtis Yarvin (Mencius Moldbug): Discussed as a key figure in the neoreactionary movement, advocating for corporate city-states.
- Critique of Democracy: Both Land and Yarvin are portrayed as being critical of democracy, favoring alternative governance models.
- AI and the Left: The discussion highlights a perceived lack of engagement with AI on the left, with many leftists dismissing its significance.
- Marxist Interpretation of AI: Downs argues that Nick Land offers a unique and valuable perspective on AI by analyzing it through a Marxist lens, emphasizing its connection to the structure of the economy.
- China and Capitalism: The conversation touches on China’s success with capitalism, particularly in the field of AI, attributing it to a Marxist understanding of surplus value extraction.
Highlights:
- The Nick Land vs. Žižek Debate: The video opens with a preview of a discussion about the potential debate between Nick Land and Slavoj Žižek.
- Downs’ Meeting with Žižek: Downs recounts his experience of having breakfast with Slavoj Žižek at a conference.
- The CCRU’s Experimentation: The discussion of the Cybernetic Culture Research Unit (CCRU) and their exploration of theory-fiction, drugs, and the occult is a notable highlight.
- Land’s Influence on Working-Class Perceptions of AI: Downs shares anecdotes about how his working-class coworkers express views on AI that align with Nick Land’s pessimistic predictions.
- Land’s Marxist Perspective: The video emphasizes that Land’s unique contribution is his Marxist analysis of AI, linking its development to the structure of the capitalist economy.
Strange, cause https://reddit.com/ looks more like this
and it’s essentially devoid of “conservative content”.
Think its moreso the CEO at its helm is an IPO loving idiot.
Also, GTFO if Lemmy is a leftist echo chamber, fascist.
The moment lemmy becomes an echochamber is the moment it becomes shit. I’ve had enough of echochambers.
The moment lemmy becomes an echochamber
thinking its not already lmao
You’re right, but it is the closest thing online to not being, so that’s why I’m here.
Point proven lol
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