Wait, that’s how they’re actually dressed? They just look like random people. The fact that they don’t get shot more speaks a lot about how well behaved the people they are kidnapping are.
I think they look more like a bunch of thugs than normal people.
It’s the masks. Their body language is softer than my hangover shit.
Those are thugs, who were under qualified for mafia or even any respectable gang so they applied for the government job.
They look like NPCs.
The basic bitch version of fascism.
They’re also going after the population that are probably the unlikeliest to own firearms. That being said, if you’re brown and not carrying a firearm and your “papers”, you should probably change your habits. Fuck me, it’s disgusting that this is the case in America.
They’d blend in a lot better if they didn’t look like old western bandits about to rob a train with those masks.
Cowards. All of them. I hope they all get doxxed.
https://icelist.info/
Got this from another lemmy user.
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That was written when the people and the government had access to the same level of firepower.
They don’t get shot because guns are for mass-shootings.
Haven’t read a single story where a gun was used against the tyrannical government / cops.
Mostly because you can’t “self-defence” agaist the police in the US. You will always be shot to death on the spot.
Suede denim secret police.
Jello called it, decades ago.
They wear masks for the same reason the Klansmen wore masks.
Aren’t they klansmen or their sons?
I’m sure more than a few of them have that in their history, along with numerous times starting a sentence with, “I’m not racist but…”
Look, I’m not racist but I have to say, I fucking love peanut butter.
“I’m not retarded but … I like rocks” -That one comedian, can’t remember his name
Some of those that work forces
Are the same that burn crossesI always thought “some” was being too charitable.
There is absolutely no proof that these people are ICE, or any other agents of the state. Do not assume masked strangers throwing people in vehicles are law enforcement. Especially if they don’t identify themselves.
We all need to stop making this assumption, and to start encouraging others to also not make this assumption.
My favorite so far is the people who follow these fuckers around with megaphones and broadcast the rights people have when dealing with ICE, numbers of local lawyers and advocates, and other instructions to help people either avoid the interaction or at least have a fighting chance to due process if they are detained.
What would be better is if, when people were being kidnapped by these brownshirts-at-home, the bystanders started beating these kidnappers to a bloody, gelatinous pulp. That way, the street sweepers could come and gently push their mouldering viscera where they belong: the gutter.
Remember: there is no evidence that these people have the force of law behind them. Citizens should not allow others to be kidnapped in broad daylight.
One big worry is that if I fight these bastards, the Democrat-backed apparatus would arrest me for being in the wrong. I don’t want to get into a fight since I am poor and have no friends…but hopefully I have the guts to get involved, if my neighbors start being rounded up.
Part of the reason why ICE can do what it does, is because establishment politicians are not willing to support the concept of antifa. The failure to inspect ICE trafficking facilities, standing aside and letting police abuse protestors, the gentle approach regarding January 6th, and more, all contributes to a disbelief in the Democrats.
Hopefully, local leadership will start appearing. I want to join a ICE Breaker militia. Without support, legal and morale, I might not find it in myself to do what must be done. 😰
Absolutely. Numbers have power too. If you happen to be around when this happens do not let the eyes of those around you turn the other way.
Everyone is waiting for someone to say something. But no one has said anything so we all think “well, I guess I don’t know the whole story because no one ELSE is doing anything”. It’s quite a well documented human group behavior.
You need to be that first voice. You need to shake everyone else out of that thought. Because you know exactly what it is. It’s scary to be that first or second person to speak up.
But another well documented human behavior is that when someone goes to help, others join in, they get shaken out of their “freeze” and decide to fight.
Our society isn’t broken enough yet for people not to care when someone is being kidnapped. They just need you to call it what it is.
Just keep calling “ICE” liars. If they try to say they are federal agents just keep saying they are lying. Do everything to delay until you have enough support to make them feel afraid. Again, they are Nazis. They are not brave. They are scared little losers. Don’t let them feel safe to get out of their black vans.
Check your calendar—it’s not January 6, so the president doesn’t want you killing enforcement anymore.
(You might get a pass if they’re arresting people and as a result causing traffic for supporters to get to his parade or rally.)
“Killing cops is AWESOME but ONLY when you do it on your way to try to kill Mike Pence” -The President, obviously. Putin will also support that just like he complained about the death of Ashli Babbitt. (He actually did)
Absolutely. They should be afraid to get out of their van. They should be treated as if they are wearing a Nazi uniform.
I get what you mean. But, materially, there is not much of a difference. You should absolutely do everything in your power to stop or resist them.
They are Nazis with a badge or Nazis without a badge. That badge doesn’t change what should be done to them by anyone that sees them. They should not feel safe getting out of their van. There are more of us. Get organized and be ready to be that 2nd or 3rd or 4th random stranger that is brave enough to standup to them.
Nazi’s aren’t brave. They are wimpy little losers. That’s why they are Nazis. Don’t let them feel safe anywhere they go.
The problem is, it’s plausible they are ice, and in the US hoodlums gathering near a van before pulling a heist are rarer than unmarked ICE guys waiting to acquire a target, so if this isn’t a movie set, they’re most likely ICE.
are you implying anyone was making this assumption? any group of thugs could pretend to be ICE this way
Looks like a group of shady men wearing masks intended to hide their faces around an unmarked van threatening civilians with weapons to me. Call the police, maybe hyperbolize it a bit. Make them either abandon their spot or waste their time justifying their existence to the police instead of whatever bullshit they’re there to do.
Looks like a bunch of fascists committing state-sanctioned domestic terrorism.
This is the correct answer.
Are you sure it’s not a group of protestors? Because then covering your face is illegal in some places now. Better call the cops to get those protestors back to the free speech zone.
BUT THIS IS STILL A TOTALLY NORMAL AND FINE DEMOCRACY, RIGHT CONSERVATIVES?
that’s actually a mob of criminals. you see these dbags you need to call 911, especially if you are not an immigrant.
Call in a potential bank robbery
The reality is they are consistently informing local police that they are “conducting business in the area” and are plain clothes.
for sure. make no mistake - the point of the call is not to get police help it’s to be a pain in the ass. It’s “agitprop”
A handy guide to America:
Wearing a mask to prevent the spread of infection during a global pandemic? It’s an excuse to hide your face, you literally cannot breate through it, and it’s a symbol of leftist fascism.
Wearing a mask literally to hide your identity so you can physically accost and abduct anyone under the pretense of ‘immigration authority’ with zero need for due process so there are no repercussions when you are wrong? That’s protecting your country.
i am willing to bet that before the year is over, there will be people who cut mouth holes out of these types of masks to make it clear that they aren’t wearing masks for public health reasons
Given what is currently happening in the US, I cannot help but ask myself: Does the police still respond when emergency calls come in reporting that several armed and masked men are dragging people into a van and kidnapping them?
That’s a genuine question, and I don’t know the answer. But hey, I don’t know the answer to the question of how all this can be possible in a constitutional state either.
Turns out having a constitution isn’t enough. You have to actually follow and enforce it to be effective.
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The hardest part to believe is that he would wipe his own ass.
Wipe the hamberder sauce off his puckered butthole lips.
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Does it even pucker anymore?
Hungary’s hate speech laws are also now ineffective, for similar reasons.
And constitution too.
In this situation, it can’t be just one person. Several people need to call 911 with plate numbers and general descriptions.
“A bunch of people in masks waiting outside the court house. I think they have guns!”
If ICE has done their due diligence, they would have notified law enforcement that they are there in plain clothes. But methinks that these cosplayers wouldn’t think to do that.
If you really want to be an inconvenience, DON’T give them the plate numbers. Those will almost certainly come back to some entity or person that will clue the dispatchers in on them being government owned.
Where are the swatting trolls when they could actually be useful?
Standing next to a windowless van in nondescript clothes and a mask.
No reasononable person would believe these are police. Not guilty.
Anybody else dressed like that in the street would be arrested.
And… Are these the guys kidnapping children at primary schools and playgrounds? Cuz they do wear the right clothes for such occasion.
The answer is, yes. Multiple times they’ve gone to schools and attempted to remove children.
So basically almost every fear for a classic conservative.
Any non-white person would just get shot if they dressed like that.
It’s 2025. America. You see these men on the street.
If you assume they are going to rob a bank dial 911.
If you assume they are going to lynch someone dial 911.
If you assume they are going to kidnap someone dial 911.
If you assume they are law enforcement then get your eyes checked. They aren’t wearing any identifying uniform, no insignia, no badges.
If you assume they are impersonating law enforcement then dial 911 and get your eyes checked.
Definitely don’t call 911. That just gives them more backup. They look like terrorists in the streets. It’s actually illegal here to wear a mask over your face while demonstrating or armed so they are under stand your ground territory
If someone wearing a balaclava and civilian clothes grabs you, I’m pretty sure it’s reasonable to stab them.
You can only use proportional force to defend yourself under stand your ground laws. If you stab someone that is only using their body parts then you go to jail. Will a jury convict? It will take a year or two to find out.
Multiple people is significantly more force than even a knife.
Proportional force means the force must be proportional to the threat, not to the force the other person is using. If someone threatens death with their hands, you can use deadly force to defend against a deadly threat.
One would be reasonable in concluding that masked people trying to force you or someone else into a van is an imminent threat of death, great bodily harm or sexual assault.
You can’t use deadly force to defend against harassment, or theft because that’s disproportionate.
I’m not saying it’s legal. I’m saying if someone wearing a balaclava tries to force me into an unmarked van, they’re getting stabbed.
Then you have evaluated the situation and have made an informed decision about the options.
Not here. Self Defense was proportional response. Stand your ground means you can shoot someone who hasn’t even touched you if they break your car window
That’s not true in all states. In Florida, if you feel genuinely threatened, you can respond with deadly force, no matter what the other guy is threatening you with.
And people who write things like that and immediately got a stabbing are definitely not from the same area as you and I must be because whenI think of my self-defence weapon, it’s not my knife
Well the thing is there are more than 1 of them. Would it not be proportional to stab them if you get ganged on by 4 to 5 of them?
IANAL
Easy there, boss. That depends heavily on what state you’re in. And the ones that have “stand your ground” and “castle doctrine” are usually the ones where local police are openly coordinating with ICE.
Yeah. Understand your ground you still get arrested when you kill someone. You don’t have to deal with the police you go straight to a local Judge, Who in my county has already ruled people shooting off duty police officers moonlighting as security is perfectly legal
If you stand your ground you still go to jail. Even if you are released you still got more inconvenienced than them.
As a white person I’m at minimal risk from them. But in order to stand your ground for another person they must have a legal right to be where they are. And if they are, in fact, not legally here, then bad things happen to you.
If you don’t, it’s possible you’re going to a concentration camp. Think I rather get tried by a jury of my peers.
Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
And what if they take your ID, claim you aren’t a citizen so you don’t get due process and then they deport you to a foreign prison?
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Discussed? My dude it’s already been happening for months.
I might still go to jail, but I have taken all of them out so they will never be another problem.
The ones here don’t wear body armour because that would make them stick out more
Has anyone actually confirmed that those guys are actually ICE? Because they look like I could pretend to be ICE and get away with it.
They look like random Grand Theft Auto enemies that you wipe out by the dozen.
Flannel is the new brownshirt.
fun fact, flannel catches fire like nothing else
Flannel is wool and cotton, so… like pretty much most other textiles.
Cotton can continue to burn, but wool is generally self extinguishing, too. It’s one of the ways you can identify the fiber composition of unknown cloth (burn test).
Sorry. I was unclear. I just meant one would expect it to burn much as another textile of a similar blend. So more wool, less fire; more cotton, more fire.
Oh, yeah, I was agreeing and expanding on what you were saying 👍
Really? So why do they give them to every worker?
who? ice? you think they provide their goons with the laundry day clothes they wear? i think it’s much more likely they’re telling them to wear what they want. but also, they’re fucking stupid. so there’s that
Please no. I like my flannel.
If ICE does to flannel what Hitler did to his mustache, I’m going to be livid.
There goes my entire winter wear.
Omg, they can’t breathe, they are inhaling their own CO2 & toxic bacteria, they are probably dead already!!
Good
Brain dead? Dead inside? Soulless? Checks out.
If these unidentifiable people tried to arrest you would you not be within your right to defend yourself with force?
Could you also not get a bunch of mates dress the same and disrupt all of their raids by claiming you’re the real ICE and they are just a group of random strangers
If the law actually applied equally to everyone, both citizens and government thugs? Absolutely.
But we all know that’s not how it works on the street or in the courts.
The first time, yeah, I get you. If it happened a lot, though. They’d change their MO. Maybe wear some stylish Hugo Boss designed uniforms.
