Oh my fucking god, this might be the most badass comeback to those shitty “it’s gay” arguments I’ve heard in a long time 😂
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Why not both? Or just forget labels and fuck.
Or just forget labels and fuck
Now that’s an idea! 😂
I like it :3
My brain is fried trying to read through the comments here. This kind of shit costs elections. How about we focus on universal healthcare and UBI.
We can focus on multiple things at once.
I will not abandon trans people because it’s uncomfortable for some to see people talking about it.
Someone always seems to come and mention universal healthcare and universal basic income. I don’t disagree that those things are very important actually, but bigotry is still bad. I believe that two things can be true at the same time.
Not trying to be offensive, not trying to fight. I’m just saying.
It’s not a question of what they used to be vs what they are now, it’s about sexual attraction being biological.
When I started HRT, I noticed that gay dudes started to flirt with me.
Then after about a year, straight guys, even straight guys who knew me pre transition, started checking me out and flirting with me.
It’s fucking hilarious listening to incels cite “biology” to explain their second hand stories about shit they have never experienced.
Silly statement. It’s beastiality since we used to be apes.
I actually discovered I was gay (or realistically just not straight) when my partner transitioned XD
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Win-win? Happy partner, happy you?😂
I’ve been married for so long that I’d just take one for the team if my partner transitioned. Divorce is no joke.
actually, who cares about sexual orientation in da big 26? Yeah! call me gay, I don’t care!
That’s pretty solid logic. I like it.
I wish people would let these kind of comments remain on the platform they were original posted in. I visit The Lemmy Club to get away from content like that. 😞
If the trans woman has a penis and the man is mostly into the penis, that circumstance still seems kind of homosexual to me.
I really didn’t make this post with the intention of arguing about the semantics of labels. But I just want you to know, I disagree with you.
And also…at least in my experience, men who are like that are usually chasers. Not all of them ofc, but I’ve had the pleasure before. Yuck…
What is a chaser? A man you’re with to get the taste of the last man out of your mouth?
Chasers are people who fetishize certain things and are pretty aggressive about it ie, “chubby chaser,” etc.
In this context, it’s someone who seeks out trans people. They’re usually toxic, af.
No.
Trans women are women.
Nobody is here to denigrate trans women. That wasn’t the purpose of my post.
I just think sometimes we forcefully rename things until it’s a purity test to say the naked emperor is actually fully dressed.
As a woman who is sexually attracted to men, I don’t think my appreciation for penis makes me a lesbian. I think sexual attraction to penis does not compute as anything other than sexual attraction to males.
Do I think a straight man can be with a trans woman with a penis and simply ignore it or work around it? Yes! I was just limiting my comment to the one circumstance. If the guy is there for the penis, that seems like sexual attraction to males (or as OP responded, to transexuals specifically).
And further, to OP’s post, if a man is with a small woman with no breasts to speak of, and no defined waist vs hips, and if he is with her specifically because her body reminds him of a child, then I think he is still kind of a pedophile.
But I also really don’t like comparing homosexuals to pedophiles, because I don’t think there is anything wrong with being a homosexual.
People attracted to trans women as women aren’t fetishing their penis or are otherwise attracted to their penis for penis sake. They’re attracted to women.
Our genitalia is not the be-all end-all of attraction.
I mean, ideally that’s true. … But as a woman, it’s certainly been my experience that some men will reduce you to the immediate utility of your genitalia.
Plus, OP gave an example of “chasers” that DO reduce trans women to their genitalia.
Anyway, I was just coming up with an example to counter the meme, not to paint any demographic with broad brush strokes.
That’s why I specified “people attracted to trans women as women”.
The meme doesn’t need to be countered because men attracted to women aren’t homosexual.
If a person is really into the idea of getting fucked by someone with a penis, but completely put off by the idea of that someone being a big, strong guy, then, is it accurate to describe that person as attracted to men? I would argue no, as that is essentially reducing sex entirely down to genitalia.
Now, I am sure that some would argue that this is a thing that doesn’t happen in practice, and that a man who is into dick but men is just in denial due to internalised homophobia. And I think that’s definitely true in at least some cases. But I think an alternative explanation is that the man may be one of the humblest of God’s creatures; the cishet male bottom.
Most? Many? Of the straight men I know still love and seemingly identify with the death by snu snu meme (https://youtu.be/3f8sjzETQ5o?is=i3xh1oKxWrloPu7j).
So yea, I thought our terms for sexuality were specifically denoting what genitalia you own and what genitalia you are interested in interacting with and nothing really about any of the other trappings that go with that genitalia. Gay men that like to be bottoms? Still homosexual. Straight men that want to be penetrated by a woman is tricky though. Still heterosexual unless it’s a real penis?
But, I’ve really argued beyond how strongly I feel about labels at this point.
Straight men that want to be penetrated by a woman is tricky though.
No. Men who enjoy being penetrated by women are still straight. Whether it’s a cis or trans woman, they’re still women.
I’ve pegged many straight men. They’re still straight after I fuck them because I am a woman.
I don’t think you get to define someone else’s sexuality using your own gender identity.
I’m just arguing for labels to mean things. And if you don’t want them to, then let’s throw away the labels. Then your lovers can just list themselves on dating apps as “masculine presenting penis looking for feminine presenting penis”. It would be more straightforward.
I’m a cis woman though it doesn’t make a difference here.
I have fucked a lot of men with my strap on. A lot of straight cis men.
If a man identifies as straight, who the fuck are YOU to define someone else’s sexuality using your outdated views of sexual acts as gender affirming acts.
That you are reducing trans women down to a “feminine presenting penis” is bigoted behavior.
Women fuck men with strap ons all the time and that’s straight as hell. Why would that change if said woman has a real penis? That’s like arguing that gay men that top aren’t gay because an asshole is closer to a pussy than a dick.
Social, not biologically.
With the demographic this comeback is aimed at: yes, likely pedophiles.
Hi, local pedantic lemming here, one correction. She was not “born male,” but merely “assigned” as one. Carry on.
You are correct. Please ignore my absolutely unpedantic ass and carry on. Thanks ♥️
I mean I have seen people unironically claim the second scenario. And people seem to forever be attempting to claim 20+ year old women as ‘children’ whenever they are dating older men as well. Which, sure call the dude out for being gross, but don’t try to rob an adult of their own agency. That always came off as weirdly sexist against women to me. Like a grown woman couldn’t and shouldn’t be trusted to make her own decisions. Which just felt like yet another way to control women, not actually protect them.
Agreed, I never understood this mentality. Not only is this extremely sexist (for no reason what so ever) but ageist aswell. I’ve seen this scenario occur on Lemmy (mainly .global), and the conclusion is always the same: the woman has the mental capacity of a 5yo.
Also, like other things, this behaviour muddies the waters in what pedophilia is - further straying off from its definition just to allow others to use it as an baseless insult and a deregatory term for the inflicted.
How is it sexist?
Probably in that it is often seen as fine when a woman is older, as long as the man is of age
I’m not sure how I feel, as I only have witnessed this scenario, not a teenage girl being with an adult man
not a teenage girl being with an adult man
You’ve never seen any teenage girl with an adult man before? Do you not consume media at all?
A 20 year old isn’t a child, but that doesn’t mean someone over double her age isn’t taking advantage of her youth and lack of experience.
What a weird place for you to take this conversation.
I don’t think the people calling him gay see the woman he’s dating as “used to be male”.
I don’t think they think much at all
“Nooo, it’s because they’re actually a 1000 year old reincarnated male dragon!”
Is this a reference to that person that wanted to be refered to with dragon pronouns a while back?
It’s referencing all the loli fans who enjoy CSAM and justify it by calling the girls 1000 year old reincarnated male dragons.
Yep. Sadly it’s staggeringly common in the anime community 😔
hey, at least they aren’t lusting after real children
I agree there - i am pretty sure that this has more of a preventative effect than anything else. It also allows these people to actually realize that there’s something off before they come into a situation that might hurt someone. For sure better than not having much of a clue.
These things often happen out of the convenience of the situation, and i am pretty sure that there are many out there that realized they have these impulses and simply stay away from being alone with children altogether because they are in principle good people that do not want to do harm. But that needs some possible situation where you can realize that beforehand, and the loli-trope is for sure one of the best ways to find out.
I’d rather they be honest about their lust instead of trying to deny what everyone can clearly see.
They can only be honest with themselves if they realize it first, which needs some contact with it without the possibility to cause harm. And if they realize it and are decent people (having these impulses do not make you an awful person - only acting on them does), they will decide to stay away from being alone with children. Whether they then look at drawings or not does not make much of a difference afterwards.
There are no statistics for things like these that are really showing the amount of people who fight with this because of the social stigma and massive consequences attached to being outed as someone who finds children attractive, but i am sure it’s a lot bigger part of society than we all think - a big indicator is the all-time top porn category of “barely 18” and the amount of people who count down the days until a teen actor becomes “legal”.
Not if they are hiding it from themselves as well - in that case, much better that they just keep fantasizing about cartoons and accepting painted body pillows as the best irl option
Oh… Ignorance truly is bliss
Truly lol
In her case is the opposite, a 2yo in a 20 something body.
Release the Neelix files.
surprisingly I’ve never heard this (yet…)
miisha ur mania is hitting again 🥺
Quickly! Get her to the local queer meetup before the mania is over! (She’s in dire need of IRL friends, and I can’t be there for her because of distance and parents)
I appreciate the efforts, I do, but could you please stop? I don’t feel like it. I’m just not doing it. Sorry
miisha ur mania is hitting again 🥺
Some things/people…it’s better to let them hit :3
Only hitting i will accept is ass slaps. Amd he better be hitting it right. 😏
Oh he’s hitting it right alright, and I’m not even talking about ass slaps 😂
Ass slaps are good too tho :3
