Apparently pre-rinsing confuses the dishwasher or something. Not doing it leaves me with residue all over the other dishes though 🤷
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As others have pointed out, it can be done albeit with more attention to detail than commercials imply. I wanted to mention the game changer for me was very reluctantly splurging for the expensive high-end tripple soap pods. These really made a big difference in my washer. I look for deals and buy them in bulk.
I have an old (must be 20yo) budget bench dishwasher and never have any issue with anything not being clean. Never done pre-wash and often overpack it.
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Also run the tap on your sink until the water turns hot, then start the dishwasher.
A majority of the gunk removal happens during the pre-wash cycle. Hot water greatly helps with this.
fill the given soap cup all the way
One thing I’ve learnt from this thread is that this isn’t necessarily right. Its size allows for people with hard water, but if your water is soft then by filling it all rhe way you are likely using too much, which can lead to residue on your dishes. For soft water, half filling is apparently often plenty. Which is another reason to use powder not pods.
Powdered dish detergent and running the water until it gets hot before starting the dishwasher seem to make a difference for me
i always, always set my dirties in the sink, drizzle some dawn in/on and soak them in hot water mostly overnight but a minimum of five hours. rinse and load and they come out spotless every time
That sounds like almost as much work as washing by hand!
its not, though. takes less than a minute per dish
So does washing by hand 😆
It’s also basically doubling the water usage.
It has a purpose when cleaning by hand
My dispenser door is permanently jammed Open,so i had to reluctantly Switch to pods for the Timed Release. Powder is better imo.
Don’t bother. Delayed release is bullshit. Just dumping powder in there should get the same result.
Watch the video someone else posted in this thread. It briefly touches on timed release pods. They tested and the whole thing disolves at once, within seconds.
I, uh, have to hand wash all of mine so
i rent a house that does not have a dishwasher and i hand washed everything for a while.
i bought a small countertop dish washer, it’s like 2x2 foot or so. you have a house that you stick on the sink tap.
it’s large enough to handle like 3-4 days of dishes, uses less water then hand washing by a lot, and saves so much time, takes not much power.
i just load it up, put some soap inside the trap and some outside, run the water through the pass through until hot and let it run. it cost me about $250 when i got it. it’s been running well for 5 years now
Residue is a sign of too much soap in the dishwasher. Try reducing the amount of soap. Also, it massively helps to put a little bit inside the chamber and not just the soap compartment. The dishwasher has two washes, pre-wash and main wash, and without soap, pre-wash will be almost useless. With soap, it will drastically reduce the necessary amount of soap in the main wash, meaning no more residue for you.
You mean detergent right?
Apologies for the youtube link but this guy fits in nicely with the lemmy crowd and made a 40min video about optimal use of dishwashers and detergent. He does promote a specific powder detergent… but its from a good company 👈👈😎 and backed with science.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DAX2_mPr9W8&pp=ygUhdGVjaG5vbG9neSBjb25uZWN0aW9ucyBkaXNod2FzaGVy
You mean detergent right?
Without double-checking your pedantry (or language barrier) via web search, isn’t “detergent” a type of soap?
That is excellent question of semantics. I dont mean to argue semantics but rather clarify dish “soap” vs dish washer “detergent” as that could be the difference between a successful wash that doesn’t leave residue vs any alternative result.
“This guy”!? How dare you disrespect Alec like that! :P
If you’re nerdy enough to be on Lemmy, you’re likely nerdy enough to already be a fan of Technology Connections; just sayin’.
Lmao you right, I was being a little too casual. Gotta put some respec on his name 😂
Alec Watson puts out some top notch content
Also very fair point but happy to spread the word just in case
lol fair enough
Hmmm I wonder who it could be.
On an unrelated note, down with blue Christmas lights.
Someone else posted a video that covered this. Some dishwashers (not mine) have a pre-wash spot for putting the soap. In the video, the guy had his spot actually on top of the soap door, so it would be measured but falls straight in with the dishes when you close the door for the pre-wash. He said in the video to just add a tablespoon of dishwashing powder on the door or in the bottom if yours doesn’t have a prewash spot.
I have learnt a lot from that video and all the comments here!
It’s also worth seeing if the dishwasher you have heats up the water or if it just pulls hot water from the boiler.
You’ll be able to tell by seeing which pipe connected to, if it’s connected to cold water then you’re okay, you’re not American and you can relax.
I never pre-rinse and I never have any problems. Not using pods and adding soap to the pre-wash cup as per the manufacturer instructions made the real difference.
Used to have issues. Alec has solved them all for me. Great video.
Using regular dish soap for this will end up in a disaster.
Detergent = soap but you’re right, regular dish soap does not belong in the dishwasher and will result in a huge mess.
I can report back since my ex did it once. Suds came out of the dishwasher while it was running, otherwise no big deal. Worked fine afterwards, didn’t develop any leaks or anything.
She also used liquid hand soap for laundry once, smelled a bit funny and might not have gotten as clean as otherwise, but otherwise nothing bad happened
That’s not a typical reaction. Either there was only a non existent amount of dish soap or the thing wasn’t left running long enough for it to be really bad.
It almost always results in suds being EVERYWHERE and the same thing happening over and over again if the dish washer isn’t cleaned properly afterwards.
I suspect it was a fairly small amount since, despite being an idiot in general, she at least knows that dish soap suds a lot. She’s washed dishes by hand at least 5 or 6 times in her life I know for sure (mostly she has her men do things like that, she’s got no time or energy for chores (or a job for that matter)).
I overfilled with regular dishwasher detergent once and triggered the overflow sensor. The dishwasher drained itself correctly, but bubbles in the little tube kept the float locked in the overflow position until they all popped, hours later. The soap residue left in the sensor bubbled up for several cycles afterward, repeating the problem. You can, theoretically, unscrew it from its mount and tip it forward to make the bubbles pop faster but that sounded like a recipe for disaster.
I cannot imagine what dumping regular-ass dishsoap would do to my dishwasher, but based on the above I’d probably just put a round in it and look for a new one.
My dishwasher literally doesn’t have a pre-rinse cycle, the first wash is the main one with the powder, so I get to avoid this whole conundrum! By which I mean, I do quickly wash them by hand if there’s any obvious gunk, and no one would realistically tell me not to.
To those curious, it’s this countertop one: https://www.midea.co.il/product/mdwmt030sw-w-il (couldn’t find a product page in any other language)
The compartment for the detergent has no lid, so the powder drops as soon as you close it.
It also does not have anywhere to put rinse aid, but a bottle of some was included when I bought it new. Great attention to details.
By which I mean, I do quickly wash them by hand if there’s any obvious gunk, and no one would realistically tell me not to.
The whole point of this topic is that you’re not supposed to have to do that 😅
I know, but for my dishwasher specifically, you kinda do :D
This was on QI.
The enzymes in the dishwasher tablets need some dirt to glom onto, to be able to work. So pre-rinsing can make them less effective.
If that were true, dishwashers wouldn’t start with a pre-rinse before the detergent goes in?
Pre rinse recycles the water. So the fats and such the enzymes work on are still there to help the process.
Nah, someone else posted a video that goes through it in detail. The pre-rinse is 10 mins (depending on dishwasher) of splashing plain water around and around to get the grubbiest bits off, then it dumps the prerinse water and gets clean water for the main cycle where the detergent goes in.
One of the key tips in the video was to add detergent in the prerinse detergent section (some open section that lets it go in straight away), or if your dishwasher doesn’t have one then just straight on the door or in the bottom. Just a small amount so the pre-rinse cycle has detergent in it so can get more off before the main cycle.
The only thing I’ve found about putting dishes in dirty is that some fancy dishwashers on the “auto” setting will sense how dirty the pre-rinse water is and set an appropriate wash cycle. If you’ve pre-rinsed, then it won’t find much and will put it on a light cycle. This can lead to dishes not being clean if they are actually really dirty but you rinsed off the loose stuff already. But it can be worked around by just setting the cycle instead of leaving it on auto.
The QI monkeys are just buzzing around on the net finding factoids for the show, you can often find untrue or misrepresented ones.
It was most likely the ‘technology connnections’ youtube channel videos your referencing for anyone curious.
Yes correct. I only saw the one video linked but this is it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHP942Livy0
I hate these commercials and I find it funny that they pay money to run them in my country where we have so much water we’re practically drowning. We drink tap water and we leave the tap running for a quite some time just to get nice cold drinking water.
I could not give a damn about saving tap water. The dishes are rinsed before they go in the dishwasher.
This is a classic example of an American company assuming everyone else in the world think exactly like them, and subsequently completely fail with their marketing, at least in my part of the world.
I mean, that’s a thing in areas of the US too. I’m in the US and where I live it isn’t unusual for people to have safe drinkable freshwater springs just spontaneously pop up in the middle of their yard. You can drive a sandpoint basically anywhere around here and get practically drinkable water. I say practically just because, legally speaking, potable water wells still need to be drilled far deeper than a sandpoint. But if you actually test the water coming out of most sandpoint wells in the area, odds are it would test perfectly safe provided there’s no farm runoff there or something. So in my area the water conservation marketing falls just as flat.
Some things you can just put in, some things need a long soak and a steel wool scrub.
Fond on stainless? Baked on protein? Ancient debris? You might need to do it manually.
I don’t know, man, just put it through and if it doesn’t come off, LEARN what you can and can’t like a normal human being, jesus.
A good way to start, if you’re an infant, is to soak all your dishes for like 6-12 hours, and inspect to see what comes off easily and what doesn’t.
All this talk about soaking or not soaking is like mormon young adults trying to bend the walls that skydaddy built.
One of the greatest USian scams to date. Still wastes water btw.
Are you saying that dish washers are a scam and that they waste water?
Got some facts to back up that position?
Seeing as how piefed hides my comment, why bother? Y’all are gonna downvote it anyway. lol
If it’s a reputable source I’ll mention it everywhere.
Ah but will you get a shirt for it?
Yes
I’ve got my shirt site ready; so you have info on dishwashers wasting water?
What even is this comment.
Dishwashers use much less water than hand washing dishes.
My dishwasher somehow checks how dirty the water is after the first rinse and adjust ms the washing time accordingly, so getting ketchup and sauces from the plates before makes it run shorter.
That may save some time but I don’t think it’d save water. Dishwashers don’t constantly add new water. Itll add water for a rinse, wash it out, and then more water for the clean. I’m sure some dishwashers do a third cycle as well
