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Fuck YouTube
I agree. YouTube can be very useful, but we really ought to be moving to other platforms at this point. Fuck YouTube.
I’ve been using YouTube far more than any of my paid services for years. However I’m ready for a switch. If the YouTubers who I follow switched platforms I’d go with them in a second.
Haha yeah fuck YouTube. I want the entire site to not only be free but free from ads.
You’re all retarded. This shit costs money and you’re circumventing the way to not pay them. I bought premium and use an adblocker because I’m not a cheap piece of shit.
Your content creators aren’t doing this for free so fucking pay them. What is wrong with you people?
Problem is hosting all the video. You either have one host or many (P2P). Both have issues.
And both cost money, neither can exist if everyone circumvents the methods to make money.
For sure! Which video site are you using instead?
Xhamster
Lol don’t search for this site
Dear lord there’s peanuses
Peanuses… it sounds like a slang term for Charles Shultz worst nightmare, Peanuts porn 😂
there are a few but they’re all filled with right wing nutters and i doubt their ability to scale effectively
Nebula isn’t full of right wing nutters as far as I know
However, I am broke
i’m not sure nebula can be considered in the same class as youtube though
Great case of nut job lefty derailing and politicising every topic possible including video platforms.
ignore the problem then. it’s the same problem that killed voat
Ok have fun on bitbucket with the Nazis then
wait what does bitbucket have to do with nazis?
It’s amusing to see how nobody is able to genuinely answer this question.
The reason while they have all the content, is precisely because they can generate revenue for channels. I much prefer payment through subcription and ad views to annoying in video sponsors and product placements
But on YouTube you get both. If I could pay and not get in video sponsorship along with no ads, then I might consider it. But I will not pay to be advertised at.
I was using newpipe x Sponsorblock on Android exclusively, and now on desktop I’ve moved to freetube. Never did get the pop up telling me to remove Adblock but decided to make the jump early.
still using Firefox and ublock and all seems fine to me
Same. I’m wondering if it’s limited to certain markets for the time being.
For me it’s a “soft” popup - a simple banner with a close button telling me not to block ads. And it doesn’t appear very often, I think I’ve seen it twice.
You will get the timer one in due course.
I first got the ‘soft’ banner, then it went to timer one (and this timer comes after watching 3 videos with ‘soft’ one.)
However, uBlock still removes the banner, but you have to click on the video after a few seconds to start it. Alternately you can hit F to fullscreen the video, and the banner just goes away and the video starts (without uBlock).
Many people have either not up-to-date filters, or are using some other addons/features that interfere with uBlock/trigger the adblock detection.
I am using unlock and Firefox and getting hit by the anti-adblock
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I have never gotten a adblock popup using Firefox and ublock origin while my friend has gotten several on Chrome. I wonder if I’m just lucky that I’m not in the adblock block rollout on YouTube or if Firefox+ublock is working
Probably just lucky. They didn’t roll it out to all Firefox users at once. I got it several days after other Firefox users started reporting getting the popup. I followed the instructions to update my quick fix list in uBlock and it’s gone again. However, the first time I did it it came back after a day, so it may just be a never ending game of whack a mole.
Same Firefox and unlock setup (also sponsorblock) but I got a pop-up about ad blockers the other day and I just closed it and the rest of the site works fine.
Freetube adopter as well. The experience is actually an improvement over using the yt site. I wish I had done it earlier.
Also this seems to be the safest way as your account not linked to freetube. Yt looses all data like age, likes and comments. Only the number of views gives them any feedback. This will bring down yt. All we need is time to work out alternatives. Yt censorship and demonetizing rules are killing the platform anyway.
I don’t think anything is killing the platform as the longstanding ones seem pretty durable. Reddit did just fine throughout the API exodus and Twitter has somehow managed to survive Musk’s repeated and constant attempts to kill it. There will be enough viewers on youtube that will take whatever Google decides to throw at them. Don’t ask me why but a large portion of the viewers( redditors and tweeters, etc) just don’t care enough to make a change.
The only issue I have with freetube is that I sometimes like to click on the recommended videos on YouTube’s front page. If I switch to freetube entirely, I’ll lose that. But if uBlock doesn’t continue to work I will make the switch and the YouTubers I wouldn’t normally see just won’t get my views any longer.
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I never thought of that aspect as I’ve never used them. My subscription list is so long, I don’t have the time to watch the videos I’m subbed to, much less any bonus content. I wonder how many people use that feature.
Using ReVanced and having a fantastic time. If they find a way to block a locally patched client that is only a few versions behind, I will be impressed.
Why are so many of you alergic to paying creators to make videos? I get doing it on most sites, but buy premium of the sites like nexus mods or YouTube where people make content so they aren’t making shit you enjoy for free.
I’m okay with paying for YouTube but I don’t want a Google account. If Google ever reinstates having separate YT accounts then I will consider paying.
The insinuation that website users somehow have a responsibility to watch ads so that the website’s 3rd party content creators can make money reads like a case of Stockholm Syndrome. YouTube are the ones paying the creators, not me, and can change the terms by which they calculate creator payments at any time. If YT decides that now, ads viewed during the hours of 7pm to 10pm result in higher creator payments, where is my role in that? Am I now obligated to prefer viewing ads during that time?
Plenty of content is uploaded to YT by people who don’t and never will get creator payments. Do I have to watch those ads?
My contract with YT is that I control what data is downloaded by and presented on my PC, not them. That Silicon Valley has decided that everything is free, but with ads, is unfortunate. If they’re unable to fund their business or their content if I use an ad blocker, then it seems to me like they’re pretty fucking bad at business.
They have pissed 4channers. You do not piss 4channers. The last time that happened, Trump got elected.
Lol
Use Firefox, update the uBlockOrigin extension, update the filters, remove any other adblocking extension in case you have it. Should work just fine then.
For now. If YT really wants to end it, they can
How exactly “can” they? They’ve been trying pretty hard for quite a long while now and nothing has ever worked. It’s also pretty logical why they can’t: they don’t control your device, you can do anything with it. Whatever they implement, you can always fake being a normal user. Which is exactly why no one using Firefox + uBlock sees anything of what’s mentioned in this article (as long as no other addons/settings trigger the adblock detection).
Only the environment they do control is affected, which is essentially like “controlling your device”: Chrome.
My pessimistic opinion is that they’ll lobby ths shit out of governments to get laws written which make it illegal to circumvent this stuff somehow. I’m not sure that’s even possible, but it’s my irrational fear.
If it does happen, I’ll convince myself that I don’t care about any of the content on YT. Let’s face it - 99% of the shit on there is emotionless-face-with-open-mouth-and-red-arrow/circle hot garbage. Sifting through that sewage is so exhausting.
A surprising number is videos don’t even need the video component. Just go for a walk, and leave your phone in your pocket while you’re listening to whatever you would normally watch. Try that out and you’ll realize that there’s hardly any reason to see what’s on the screen.
Netflix is able to only serve paying customers.
Sure, granting view credits for ads is a little more complicated, but definitely within googles scope.
So they can block everyone, unless you either pay or watch ads. Unpopular, sure. But they have a huge library and a constant stream of new content, so enough people would put up with it. They can also start soflty, and only tighten the screws later. Lets start with one ad per day.
Sure, granting view credits for ads is a little more complicated, but definitely within googles scope.
How exactly? What stops someone from creating a program that behaves like a normal user earning view credits for ads, but never showing that to the actual user, only letting Google think the user is legitimate? Afaik nothing.
Yes, turning it pay-only like Netflix would technically work, but YouTube itself only works because it’s “free”, so yeah.
Delaying the video stream for the ad length would do most of the work. Since they manage that server side there is no way to request the video sooner. Blocking technically works, but you would have to stare at a blank screen for the ad duration.
Yes, they can, it will probably become a cat and mouse situation. The main idea is to put pressure on people that will not take the time to keep looking for alternatives or new solutions and will simply pay up or watch the ads.
I use Firefox with uBlockOrigin and haven’t had to do any manual updates or anything. I still seem to be unaffected by the changes everyone is talking about. Is it a slow rollout or does uBO just silently keep up with it?
Lol look at me change to piped
Cough invidious cough
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https://www.statista.com/statistics/351862/adblocking-usage/
similar stats to elsewhere.
you should probably not pull numbers out of your arse
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Google is not going to all this effort for a rounding error
When I read something like that, I don’t think “hey those are actual stats, wow!”. I actually think “hey those are actual stats, whoa!”. Kidding.
You’re being pedantic for no reason
It’s a generalization and their point was not the numbers. It was that in the past people complain about this kind of atuff, Google ignores it and people move on. Google probably even still continues to grow.
However, I think things have been shifting and that may not even end up being the case. Look at Unity.
Anyone used Odyssey? Louis Rossman recently made a video where he said he had a channel on Odyssey but not many users use it
It sadly has a very serious neo-nazi problem to a much worse extent than Youtube ever did.
I have recently been experimenting with odysee for videos that I can embed into a web page or something, but the service itself doesn’t have enough users to get you views just because you’re there.
For as many hours of YouTube I watch 4+ daily at least. I don’t mind paying for Premium to avoid the hassle. Plus I get music with it.
Edit: haters can ligma. Down vote all you want!
YouTube isn’t gonna give you brownie points for shilling for them
This is likely a Google employee, every big company in the world now has rooms full of people constantly astroturfing shit and it works very well. It works so well that this comment will be downvoted to shit as everyone who is offended by the idea that they could be manipulated in such a way expresses their contempt for the very idea by downvoting.
Oh no! Someone is going against the anti YouTube circlejerk by saying that it’s personally worth it for them to pay for the service. Obviously a paid actor. No one who isn’t paid by google would ever dare to express that kind of sentiment on a relevant discussion thread, of course. Lmao.
This is a controversial viewpoint on here. You have to be pirating everything and using Linux otherwise you are corporate shill and will be downvoted for having a different viewpoint. Talk about an echo chamber.
I have used YouTube premium for years and years now, it is the best value subscription service I use. I haven’t seen an ad in years, I don’t have to find loopholes and I get to support the creators that produce great content. Also music.
I used to have premium for $9.99/mo until I got an email about them raising their rates come December. No thank you.
Use a VPN and set your location to turkey. It’s ~$15-20 for the year. You never have to use the VPN again once you’ve purchased the subscription
Just tried and it said I needed a payment method from the country.
Just move to Turkey. Start a new job. Find the love of your life. Get married. Have kids. Grow old together, and support your children as they age in to adulthood. Spend your golden years relaxing. Maybe visit some beaches.
Oh yeah, and I guess use your Turkish payment method at some point in there too. I’m guessing at some point in there you got like a credit card or something
You could probably use Wise, but why bother.
Huh, it worked fine for me, but this was maybe ~3 months ago.
India is even cheaper. I pay 1$ a month.
I don’t, but I’m fine with paying for premium. I hate that a lot of content has sponsored content that your premium subscription doesn’t remove. Even if I paid for premium I’d still need to have SponsorBlock to make it watchable.
I pay for premium but I ended up installing revanced on my phone so I could disable shorts and it also skips in-video ads which is really nice. I didn’t disable YouTube’s ad blocking though because I don’t need to.
I’m wondering,.can you use sponsorblock with premium YT?
Shit, dude, I was in your corner until the edit. It’s supposed to be about choice. Those that wanna pay, pay. Those that can put up with ads, put up with them. Those that wanna say fuck YouTube, well, arr matey.
So, you rock on with your choice. You didn’t, as far as I can see, bitch at anyone else’s choice, so keep on rocking.
But ffs, never, ever whine about votes. Doesn’t matter if they’re up or down, they’re just part of the forum. You say your peace, you get the votes you get (and if you check my user history, you’ll see plenty of shit I’ve said where I did exactly that, so this isn’t from someone that’s all pristine or shit), and that’s the way it is.
I mean the free choice argument falls apart a bit when you consider that YouTube is essentially a monopoly.
For as many hours of YouTube that I watch, maybe 1 hour daily, I don’t mind setting my VPN to turkey and paying $15 for the year. I mostly use it for music anyway… I certainly wouldn’t pay the full price for it though.
That’s a big "hell no"from me
It is worth it for some.
That’s just only for you. :(
It’s not
Agreed. I’m currently paying for streaming services that I get less value from than what I get from YouTube.
To your point, I watch YouTube more than Netflix or Disney plus. The only reason I’m not paying for YouTube is because I have it for free now.
The ads are so annoying that I might subscribe for an add free experience if I didn’t have other means to block it.
Same here. It’s nice to have high quality niche content from individual content creators and with premium I believe they get better revenue than ad supported users.
Although YouTube music kind of sucks I’m using Apple Music for that so I kind of have redundant service
I think the best way to support them is through donations.
Most have links to them.
Ads are out of hand, that is why many left cable and subscription based platforms are the next thing.
Piracy is growing and that is good, it forces these greedy companies to inovate or to do better.
can’t donate to all of the different creators I watch
You are right, most could not.
I wuld say that any way to support them works, not just with money…
what other ways would help them?
Word of mouth, when possible.
It depends on the goal of the people, I follow some that mention what helps them.
it seems to me like what is probably more helpful is getting paid. With my YT premium sub all of the creators get paid some amount for my watch time (better than ad payment) and I don’t see ads. It simply seems like the best solution
I wish people didn’t care about downvotes. Always hated the edits on reddit reacting to being downvoted. Would downvote comments I agreed with too if they whined about votes.
Downvoting this guy complaining about complaining about downvoting.
From the article
even if some users stop using YouTube, there won’t be a loss of revenue because those users weren’t watching ads anyway.
Guys, YouTube doesn’t give a flying fuck that you aren’t going to consume their content without paying. That’s the point. They’re only rolling this out slowly to be sure they aren’t impacting their actual customers.
Lemmy felt like classic reddit for about a week, actual content that I wanted to see, discussions at an adult level. The amount of bandwagoning and “me too”, “fuck corporations” comments has me signing on less and less.
Yep, same here. Premium is worth it for me too. I don’t understand the entitlement on lemmy with YouTube, it’s worse than reddit.
This guy gets it
can you use sponsorblock with premium?
Yes
I’m with you, but I’ve found that any post here on Lemmy about YouTube, Spotify, or any other streaming service ends up the same: artists have enough money already, artists are paid better through merchandise and performances (no citation provided and the author acknowledges they don’t actually do this), these services don’t pay enough anyway, non-paying users are entitled to a better experience; all this is to excuse themselves of stealing content from creators they love by bootlegging it illegally.
Go back to Reddit
I’ll look forward to reading this yet again next week, alongside all the entitlement in the comments section that seem to think running YouTube is free and recommending trash alternatives which have less than 1% of YouTube’s content and don’t even work.
See you next week!
Google is a multi trillion dollar company. They can afford to run youtube at a loss for decades, if not centuries to come.
They don’t want to because they are greedy and “need” to grow their profits yearly.
Get the fuck out of here with your bullshit ass shilling for a corporate entity that would kill you if it was profitable enough.
Why would google run YouTube if it’s making negative profit? Seriously. Why would anyone do that?
Am I greedy too because I expect my work to pay more than it costs me to live?
Because of the insane amount of advertising they can do on the massive majority of people who don’t use adblock?
Because they hold THE monopoly on video upload?
There are many reasons why a company exists with no profit incentive.
Why do you think they do advertising? It’s for profit lol.
… did I argue otherwise?
So let the peasants who don’t know how to block ads cover the costs for the rest of us freeriders?
What a good faith argument! I will surely waste my time arguing with you!
I don’t like the idea that my YouTube premium money just goes into a big pool that’s divided among all creators whether I watched them or not. I block ads and subscribe to patreons of YouTubers I watch the most, I would probably pay a few dollars for YouTube premium.
Yeah I’d much rather prefer a system when portion of the money goes to google to cover their costs, but the majority of it would be divided between the creators whose videos I’ve been watching during that month.
Not to mention they were fine without ads and forcing content creators to spew the whole “like and subscribe or else the algorithm will hunt me down” bullshit. This is all because of corporate greed, it’s so disgusting. They just want to get on the subscription gravy train because it lets them have their cake and eat it too, meanwhile content creators are left out in the cold even though they’re the only reason people still use YT at this point.
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YouTube has a monopoly that is nearly impossible to challenge because of the network effect.
Sure there are costs but it would be better if as many people as possible would be ready to jump ship to create an alternative
Competitors would be great but there isn’t another service that comes close to what youtube provides. You’d need it to be worth it for creators to jump ship or at least upload to multiple sites. There hasn’t been any real competition in the space because youtube is so far ahead of everyone else.
creators to jump ship
that’s why I said it’s impossible - it the same kind of monopoly Steam has in that it’s impossible for the creators to NOT be on that platform because of the size it has but unlike Steam Youtube has started acting anti-consumer now instead of just anti-creator as in the past
Fuck YouTube and fuck shills/simps
Some alternatives are just front-ends to YouTube. Thanks to those, I haven’t used YouTube the site or the app in three years.
It’s not even that.
YouTube can do whatever the fuck it wants since it essentially holds a monopoly on video hosting thanks to the network effect.
Youtube doesn’t run for free, but they can save more money by firing a few executives than go after the minority adblock users. It’s not the creators that really matter (but they’re the group of people who are visible and who we can relate to) but you would not be saying the same thing if they were totally honest and say they’re raising money so the executives can keep on “executing” and that investors can keep their short term profits.
The problem I have is paying for a service that harvest my data to make money, I wouldnt mind paying if they keept all that shit in the free version, so now instead I will focus my energy on circumventing the anti-adblocker
