Why would a lawful good organisation that’s meant to be for the betterment of sentient beings have dark secrets? I thought we grew beyond all that petty shit?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ira_Steven_Behr#Star_Trek
Fucking Ira Steven Behr, you goddamn edgelord
One of the many reasons why I consider DS9 to be the worst Star Trek show. That entire series made Starfleet either look outright evil or staffed by totally incompetent fucking fools. Outright rewarded Sisko. You know, the guy who attempted a genocide, the guy who sanctioned multiple extrajudicial killings, who was hypocritical to fuck on making sure the law was carried out against certain maquis but let others go, who abused his underlings, who gassed a whole planet to capture one man, who used religious fundamentalism for his own purposes, and who actively covered up a murder to drag a foreign empire into a war?
DS9 is a plague on Star Trek. Hearing people call back to it and say how we need to go back and I’m like “Nah. That’s fine, thanks.”
Like… the amount of people who praise and worship Garak is frankly fucking insane when you realize who he is.
My interactions with the Trek fandom at large is limited, I admit, but do you really run into a lot of people who actually think Garak wasn’t morally a pretty terrible person? I know quite a few fans of Trek who enjoy watching DS9 but don’t think the characters were paragons of virtue. I think it’s possible to watch something and enjoy it but not agree with the actions of the characters.
With alarming regularity
who gassed a whole planet to capture one man
Thank you! At least someone also sees that Sisko is a war criminal.
I think people like DS9 for a few reasons : the longform storytelling format feels like an evolution of television format, the tone being darker and more serious makes it seem more “realistic” and prestige, and the chemistry of the actors makes it feel like a group of close knit friends. I enjoy the episodes about the characters a lot, and feel the war episodes are cringe at best, ruining star trek at worst.
Also, the reason why people accept a lot of heinous shit from Garak and not Polanski is that we expect more from Polanski, and less from the ex-spy from the place the enemies come from. Polanski should know better (don’t know, never watched her season on TNG properly, just the “Picard needs a new heart” ep)
think people like DS9 for a few reasons : the longform storytelling format feels like an evolution of television format, the tone being darker and more serious makes it seem more “realistic” and prestige, and the chemistry of the actors makes it feel like a group of close knit friends.
I do find it funny how many people who love DS9 yet complain about DSC for those exact fucking reasons. But that’s a different conversation.
I like war episodes as a concept in Star Trek, and have liked other episodes/series take on it, but DS9 just drove me fucking insane because EVERYONE was a goddamn moron and Sisko’s literal only redeeming quality is that he’s a good father.
If you are so inclined, I have a voice clip I made a couple weeks ago because several friends asked me in the course of a single day why I didn’t like Sisko. It is 12 minutes mind you lmao
I do find it funny how many people who love DS9 yet complain about DSC for those exact fucking reasons. But that’s a different conversation.
Yeah but people on DSC talk about their emotions and have gay people, so it’s double woke, and woke is bad. Sisko is acceptable because the civil rights movement happened before my time. /s
I like war episodes as a concept in Star Trek, and have liked other episodes/series take on it, but DS9 just drove me fucking insane because EVERYONE was a goddamn moron and Sisko’s literal only redeeming quality is that he’s a good father.
His good dadness seems to spread to other interpersonal aspects, like how he deals with Nogs decision to join starfleet, and telling people what they need to hear to grow as characters. Also, 50s episodes are poignant.
It is 12 minutes mind you lmao
JFC. With more dedication you could be a writer or podcaster. I didn’t listen to it, but it’s impressive that you went on that long.
Some secrets must remain buried.
