Here’s what makes this whole thing absurd
The ban in question was a 3-day ban from r/youll_be_banned which is a subreddit where getting banned is literally part of its punchline. You make a post, you get banned if the mods are in a bad mood, and that’s just the joke
Why on earth would I try to circumvent such a short ban, from that subreddit of all subreddits?
Still, it doesn’t change that I’ve been accused by the automated system, even for something that I did not do
Right after I got that message about the sitewide ban, I panicked and sent a half-baked appeal explaining that I had zero intent. Of course that appeal got rejected because I didn’t explain the context above. You could tell from the wording itself that I was still experiencing the shock of it all
And, well there is a page allowing me to send my second appeal. I’m just scared of it getting rejected again somehow
I think in the meantime, I’m just gonna stop shouting into the void and reach out here to you guys, just to talk it over. It’s been 11 days since the ban, and I’ve been a little depressed about it
Does anyone want to share their experiences?
Edit: Submitted my second appeal which says:
My 3-day ban was from r/youll_be_banned, where bans are part of the joke. I didn’t intentionally evade it. Please review the specific activity behind my permanent suspension; my first appeal lacked context.
Wish me luck, even if my luck is low. If they still don’t hear it, oh well I guess
It’s so much kinder here. People help you learn, rather than ridicule you for being wrong. Stay, help build this little tree fort into something grand, friend.
This place really is growing on me
It’s a shit site full of bots. Who cares?
Find a better alternative and move on.
Besides Lemmy, what alternatives do people recommend?
Just browse Wikipedia when you’re bored. Find some trusted newssites and visit them/subscribe to their feeds.
You lived before Reddit you can do it again if Lemmy isn’t for you.
Of course that appeal got rejected because I didn’t explain the context above.
The repeal was rejected because they’re never not rejected.
I posted info on effective ban evasion https://lemmy.world/post/52856407 , so far so good. IP address is by far the highest hurdle to clear these days, because of the crackdown on spammers. The universal weak spot with IPs is cell phones. It’s too complicated to lock phone numbers to IPs since cell phones constantly move around, but I’m sure they would love to do this and might some day find a way to make it happen. But until that happens, it’s the only back door, outside of paying good money for clean domestic IPs in your own timezone.
Reddit is fighting ban evaders with the same fire they used to go after bot networks, and probably losing a lot of valid, well meaning users in the process.
they recently tried to force logins because too many people were lurking afraid of getting banned, plus OPENAI stopped using the site too. new device, new browser is the easiest way to go back on reddit.
they are getting good at blocking the spammers(the one drives traffic to thier own online businesses, or sometimes of accounts). i dont think it actually stops them though, im on another forum where they talk about this very thing, they can produce enough accounts ,devices, thier own browser setup to evade it constantly, or eventually. i dont think they go after propaganda bots though.
I tried anti finger printing, which is like the same as using the device, and that works fine. I think what was the setting me back was not using a clean IP, and not using a mainstream email provider.
I found out that if you use the cell phone IP with anti-fingerprinting like the brave browser, and he’s a fresh email account through Gmail or Hotmail, youre pretty much in the clear from the get-go.
i waited a whole year and was gauging reddits bans, they leveled off like last year, because they realize they were banning too much people, which would generated content for ai scraping. i dont use mobile for reddit anymore, except for lurking. i use librewolf as the desktop browser, since its a new browser i never used with reddit.
its harder if you are spammer for your “business/income” they catch on faster that way. even these people started to produce "organic human behaviour, which serves reddits purpose, to not illicit the filtering. i stay away from all the large subs though, as long you are not a serial evader, you have to wait quite awhile before making a new account.
Maybe they will start profiling cell service IPs, but so far I’ve been in the clear with them. I think spam / proxy IP database lookups is weighing heavily in reddit’s profiling. Using Claude I cam up with a reasonably seamless way to have Firefox and Brave on my home PC use my phone’s data connection instead of my cable IP, which is very very static and long blacklisted.
reddit is definitely doing that, for people who are spamming thier own businesses. i created an account after a year of getting shadowbanned, from brave, i think what set it off during early last year, when i was using brave, reddint dint notice, but when i switched to a different browser they immediately shadowbanned the now deleted account. as long as you have different IP/device, and browser you are in the clear. the spammers i was talking about have multiple devices(phones) so they can do the spamming. i only use the phone to lurk now and on desktop i avoid any of the problematic subs.
So they really just think I’m as bad as a bot network, Jesus Christ no wonder they went full Shoretrooper from Andor on me
With all that you’ve pointed out, I just really don’t want to go there… at least not yet
My goal is to at least try everything that I can first, to appeal it every once in a while if I can. I can’t prove their suspicions by being exactly what I’m trying to make my case about not being
I’m only on reddit for three or four subreddits. I was banned from two of them for moderate political views. Not surprisingly, my new account has not been banned by the subreddits I like, but other subreddits have banned my account using something I just learned existed called “/u/bot-bouncer” which is apparently a non-reddit service that somehow decides if a new account is a bot or not based on account age and post history analysis alone. Absolutely crazy. This of course increases the ban evasion threat considerably.
getting a ban reversed on reddit is virtually impossible. if it’s your first ban, you may be able start over on a new account with a different email address and avoid the sub you got banned from. ymmv, ban evasion is one of the triggers for a permaban that can follow you forever. It’s been 3 years for me, and I still can’t make an account without being shadowbanned immediately.
Damn, really? Aw man, that sucks I’m sorry to hear :(
Do you still have any appeals left? Or is it all just closed for you? How many appeals have you sent?
if its your original account its possible, but dont get your hopes up. admins are the only one that can lift it, and they ignore 99.99% of ban appeals. you are still susceptible to a secondary ban even if they lift, because the AI cant tell difference between a lifted ban that clears your record, and your past (pattern of getting banned)
Sorry to hear that. My suspicion is that there’s nothing you could have done to successfully appeal. The stories that I’ve heard here sounds like the entire ban appeal process is just a kafkaesque bureaucratic nightmare, and it’s only getting worse over time
Been perma banned three times for challenging right wing views- been using Lemmy for a year now and haven’t looked back. I do miss the vast archive of data that formed Reddit but now that AI models are stealing all its data, I don’t see a bright future for it other than a gathering of bot accounts spreading nefarious agendas
i avoided politics sub, because i was catching too many of my accounts getting “banned” before i went on lemmy.
Have you actually seen organized campaigns aimed at pushing particular agendas, or are you just calling anyone who disagrees with you a “bot account”? just asking.
They report spam anything that challenges their views. It’s a broken windows type of strategy. Content mods will see a bunch of reports accumulated against you and assume you must be a problematic account.
I’ve recently started re logging into my old permabanned account when I visit public wifi or people’s houses who share their wifi.
Really funny to hear people in the background mention how shitty Reddit is because it thinks they are banned.
You should ponder the fact that a website ban has you depressed. You shouldn’t allow a corporate entity to hold that power over you. You’re just a revenue stream to them
Just stop going. It’s a broken mess.
I’ve been banned on reddit so many times I’ve gotten the ‘permanent’ ban message for the last 4 or so. That place changed. It’s very intolerant and has no sense of humor. My first account was 11 years old at the time of first banning. After that first ban, I probably got banned every year for many years running.
No sense of humor. No sense of proportion. No sense that this is an anonymous internet forum.
No one here is ever going tell you to appeal the ban or return to reddit. If you are looking for advice how to get unbanned or what else you can do this is not the place.
If you are mad and looking to vent, and go off on how much you hate reddit… Then welcome home.
I’m going to submit my second appeal once I’ve worked up the courage. Genuinely just here for emotional support
They use mostly AI to moderate, so unlikely they will ever see your appeal. only an ADMIN can lift a ban. afte ri was banned, i was appealing almost every day last year, until i stopped, recently i made a new account(after 1+years getting ban). you arnt losing anything, i was lurking for that 1+year, while i was on lemmy.
also satisfying my curiosity of how people are getting banned, including the of accounts, i went to another forum. Most people reddit is lurking instead, because of the fear of being banned.
reddit mostly is bots right now, reddit suddenly lost alot of engagement because AI stopped scraping it because its just AI posting AI generated reposts.
I’m just scared of it getting rejected again somehow
dude. there is life after reddit. it’s a shithole.
Migrate to topicle.com
Get off Reddit dude, only bots and Nazis left anyway
Botzis
