Good point. I guess what I was really trying to say is that it wasn’t so much when the original accusations were made that impacted him so much, but later on, when they kind of snowballed in impact, and especially after that hit-piece movie came out against him. I.e., from a certain point, public opinion had shifted enough that he was somewhat shunned in the film industry, which naturally impacted his ability to make movies.
both parts of the scandal are gigantic messes that keep on mutating into more and more bizarre discourses. i don’t think public has a say in things that should be investigated with due process.
Same. I also find it truly offensive and weird that some try to imply that there was anything morally or legally wrong with the Soon-Yi marriage, and are so quick and eager to link it to the Dylan accusation, which is an almost completely unrelated matter IMO.
I guess one possible ‘fly in the ointment’ is that it seems that Woody was friendly with Epstein, and indeed appears in the files a few times (not unlike 100’s or thousands of others). But by the same token, plenty of fairly famous folks were evidently pals with Epstein, and didn’t know or realise how very F’d he was as a person until the public stuff came out. Still, it’s a bit of ‘waiting for the other shoe to drop’ situation at this point.
Bah, I’m sorry I brought all this up, altho in my defense, I was kinda anticipating someone jumping in (as usual) and shouting about how Woody was a monster, etc, and wanted to prepare myself.
Weirdly, even believing what I believe, which is that he’s a good person and innocent man, there’s still an odd stigma about him that… that, I don’t know, gets under my skin a bit. It’s very strange, and I frankly don’t understand why I feel that way. As if a chaotic mob of ignorants was changing my opinion, against my will. Just… fuck.
my problem with this thing is that it is driven mainly by he said she said and whole lot of broken telephone on top. the fact of the matter is - we don’t know and we have no clue what went on and who was in the right or who was in the wrong. as such there’s not much to have your opinion on beside matters of personal preference.
I agree with that as a guiding principle, and in theory, but the more I’ve investigated this one, the more there distinctly seems to be a smoking gun of sorts, in that there seems to be a plausible, fact-based case that an enraged Mia lost her mind after Woody took up with her adopted daughter (some time after Mia had already broke up with him), and coached young Dylan to produce a false accusation.
I agree we can never know for sure (which I stated in my post, if you read it), but at the very least there seems to be a highly-viable scenario of her taking that coupling as an act of pure vengeance, and deciding to strike back even harder. And it seems to fit her parenting and personality-style frightfully well, based on accounts of Moses and Soon-Yi.
So yes, we can never know for sure, but based on the evidence? Chances seem significantly higher to me that Woody is an innocent person (if a complete knucklehead for getting with Soon-Yi), and that Mia is the person most to blame, here. Possibly criminally so.
it’s okay. What’s you favorite Allen movie? His late 80s Bergman-inspired dramas or 90s genre experiments? My personal fave is Sweet and Lowdown because it is such a reference galore if you dig jazz history.
his work been solid and fairly diverse up most of the time until early 2010s. He even did kafkian thriller once.
Whoa. I just counted, and he’s done 50 films, now. I’ve only seen 20 of them, at best.
Good to see he’s still producing films through the scandal period, as I’d thought that completely shut down his directing career.
his scandal period is arguably longer than his pre-scandal period - it’s been like 33 years and counting.
Good point. I guess what I was really trying to say is that it wasn’t so much when the original accusations were made that impacted him so much, but later on, when they kind of snowballed in impact, and especially after that hit-piece movie came out against him. I.e., from a certain point, public opinion had shifted enough that he was somewhat shunned in the film industry, which naturally impacted his ability to make movies.
Not to push my own opinion, but just for the rekkid: (sorry for the link)
https://www.reddit.com/r/JohnnyEnzyme/comments/14bxcad/more_on_dylan_farrows_accusations_against_woody/
both parts of the scandal are gigantic messes that keep on mutating into more and more bizarre discourses. i don’t think public has a say in things that should be investigated with due process.
Same. I also find it truly offensive and weird that some try to imply that there was anything morally or legally wrong with the Soon-Yi marriage, and are so quick and eager to link it to the Dylan accusation, which is an almost completely unrelated matter IMO.
I guess one possible ‘fly in the ointment’ is that it seems that Woody was friendly with Epstein, and indeed appears in the files a few times (not unlike 100’s or thousands of others). But by the same token, plenty of fairly famous folks were evidently pals with Epstein, and didn’t know or realise how very F’d he was as a person until the public stuff came out. Still, it’s a bit of ‘waiting for the other shoe to drop’ situation at this point.
Bah, I’m sorry I brought all this up, altho in my defense, I was kinda anticipating someone jumping in (as usual) and shouting about how Woody was a monster, etc, and wanted to prepare myself.
Weirdly, even believing what I believe, which is that he’s a good person and innocent man, there’s still an odd stigma about him that… that, I don’t know, gets under my skin a bit. It’s very strange, and I frankly don’t understand why I feel that way. As if a chaotic mob of ignorants was changing my opinion, against my will. Just… fuck.
my problem with this thing is that it is driven mainly by he said she said and whole lot of broken telephone on top. the fact of the matter is - we don’t know and we have no clue what went on and who was in the right or who was in the wrong. as such there’s not much to have your opinion on beside matters of personal preference.
I agree with that as a guiding principle, and in theory, but the more I’ve investigated this one, the more there distinctly seems to be a smoking gun of sorts, in that there seems to be a plausible, fact-based case that an enraged Mia lost her mind after Woody took up with her adopted daughter (some time after Mia had already broke up with him), and coached young Dylan to produce a false accusation.
I agree we can never know for sure (which I stated in my post, if you read it), but at the very least there seems to be a highly-viable scenario of her taking that coupling as an act of pure vengeance, and deciding to strike back even harder. And it seems to fit her parenting and personality-style frightfully well, based on accounts of Moses and Soon-Yi.
So yes, we can never know for sure, but based on the evidence? Chances seem significantly higher to me that Woody is an innocent person (if a complete knucklehead for getting with Soon-Yi), and that Mia is the person most to blame, here. Possibly criminally so.
I will absolutely, positively shut up now.
it’s okay. What’s you favorite Allen movie? His late 80s Bergman-inspired dramas or 90s genre experiments? My personal fave is Sweet and Lowdown because it is such a reference galore if you dig jazz history.