Basically just the CPU fan, case, and PSU (if you’re lucky). If someone can figure out how to get Doom running on just those 3 things, young people will be able to ascend.

  • qwerty@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
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    6 days ago

    PC hardware got more expensive (as well as everything else) only in terms of fiat notes. If you measure it in hard assets like monero, ₿ or gold it keeps getting cheaper.

  • HubertManne@piefed.socialEnglish
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    6 days ago

    these are the components that people cheap out on but give the most bang for the buck when you increase quality.

  • Rcklsabndn@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    7 days ago

    Is there a reason asides from branding that Noctua makes all of there gear in prune binge shit peuce? I’m not an RGB gamer boy, but I would love it if they had some options in black or charcoal.

  • sleepmode@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    7 days ago

    Noctua was never cheap. They are gloriously overbuilt in a world of rifle bearing, built-to-fail bullshit at end of warranty schlock. Pay now or pay later.

    • boovard@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      7 days ago

      I’ve had my Noctua CPU fan for more than 15 years, never made a squeak or a noise. And I still get free upgrade kits from them to accommodate for new CPU platforms. Just have to send them a request. So I’d pay the price anytime.

      • StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        7 days ago

        You may know this already. The reason Noctua fans are so much quieter is because they spin more slowly and blow less air, so even low priced, entry level fans are more effective. They literally sell a lower performing, if well engineered, fan for a premium price mostly because of hype and brand recognition.

          • StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            7 days ago

            Tell me you don’t understand how PWM works without telling me you don’t understand how PWM works.

            I’m an electrical engineer so I’m really looking forward to the responses to this.

            • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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              7 days ago

              That’s why there is a “?” amd not a “.” or “!”. Because ai wasnt sure and that’s what I thought to understand it as.
              No need to be a dick though ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

              • StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                6 days ago

                So sorry! I mistakenly assumed you were amongst the “downvoting for sharing information they don’t like” crowd that hit my original comment, so I read your comment as being passive aggressive. My response wasn’t any better than what I assumed BUT mine was entirely intentionally, so I was absolutely the one in the wrong. I apologize.

                I assumed your response meant “PWM will spin up the fan to equal RPMs regardless of model”, which is actually pretty similar to what some Nortua diehards have claimed on Reddit when I’ve criticized Noctua fans in the past.

                The other commenter has the right of how PWM works. Since it only modulates the frequency and therefore duration of on/off cycles, if one fan spins at a max of 6000 RPM while a Noctua equivalent tops out at 4500, PWM will only be able to modulate to speeds below that maximum.

                • Buddahriffic@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                  6 days ago

                  You were downvoted because you’re wrong, or at best technically accurate but inaccurate about the results.

                  Your fan speed is set by your fan controller.

                  And while it’s true that different fans can be set up to spin at different speeds with the same input voltage or PWM signal, if the fan is less effective at cooling at that rate, the controller will end up higher on the fan curve and speed it up to compensate.

                  The only things that determine your fan’s ultimate speed are a) how high the controller allows it to go, b) how much heat the hardware is generating, and c) how efficiently the combination of coolers and fans dissipate that heat into the air (which also depends on the room’s conditions).

                  Now we’re just talking about fans, so we can ignore item b entirely as well as the cooler and room conditions. And it then comes down to, can the fan keep up with the heat being generated at the current point in the fan’s curve? If not, heat increases and the controller speeds up the fan. Then, when it hits whatever the cap is, if it still can’t keep up, the hardware either overheats or throttles.

                  If it can keep up, then it stays where it is on the curve. If it can dissipate more heat than is being produced, it goes down on the curve and the fan slows down as the temperature lowers.

                  All this to say, if you have fan A that needs to be at 2000 rpm to keep up with the heat being generated by the hardware at say 65°C and someone says they have a better fan, B, that is just set to spin slower at the same signal from the controller, all that will happen is it will fail to keep up with the heat generated at 65, then the heat will rise until it’s spinning at 2000 rpm anyways or the curve hits the cap and the system throttles to reduce the heat generated.

                  So we couldn’t really eliminate that item b above and it could actually be relevant, though if that were the case, I’d assume people would just curse noctura because their fans suck and their systems run hotter or slower. But they have a good reputation where the main complaint I see is about their price, not their performance.

                  Personally, I use be quiet! fans rather than noctura, but it’s a similar principle. They make quieter fans by tweaking or redesigning blades shape and angle, bearings, and the motor. Blades make them more effective at slower speeds, and all three can make them quieter at the same speeds.

              • zant@lemmy.zipEnglish
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                7 days ago

                Don’t be sorry because you’re not wrong and dude was just being a dick for no reason. Also a PWM signal is not a complex concept and it certainly doesn’t require any degree at all to understand.

                Simply put: you have an additional pin carrying the PWM signal, which is a simple squarewave. How much of that wave is high during a period is called the duty cycle and regulates the fan speed. Eg. if for 75% of the period the signal is high, then the duty cycle is 75%.

                So, while the phrase “they spin what they are ordered to do by the PWM” is not particularly well worded, it’s also technically not wrong.

                I really wish people would share their knowledge, instead of gatekeeping it to feel superior.

                • StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                  6 days ago

                  I wasn’t being a dick for no reason - I was being a dick because I thought THEY were being a passive aggressive dick, much like how you assumed I was “gatekeeping knowledge to feel superior”. Bad assumptions all around here.

                  I assumed they were suggesting PWM will cause an inherently slower spinning fan to spin at any RPM regardless of model, which is actually a response some Noctua diehards have used in the past when I point out what Noctua is omitting when they advertise their fans as being so much quieter.

                  Regardless, I apologized for my bad assumption and subsequent response. It was out of line, especially given the actual meaning and intent of the comment.

                • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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                  7 days ago

                  Ty :)

                  So the fan decides the max RPM possible and the fan controller (probably the Motherboard) decides the percentage of the available RPM with the duty cycle?

                • teuniac_@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                  7 days ago

                  The username was a bit of a giveaway.

                  Their claim about Noctua is also not correct, or at least not generalisable to all coolers. I upgraded my CPU recently to a Ryzen 9 5950X, so needed to upgrade my cooler. The NH-D15 came out as one of the best options (that were also available second hand) when looking at cooling performance per dB. That ratio is what matters.

                  I ended up spending about $45. It ended up not having all fan clips with it, but Noctua sent those to me for free.

  • Donebrach@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    7 days ago

    Shut the fuck up you little fuck. They’re gonna be upping the price to $90/ fan blade and also firing all the people who make the damn blades if this gets out.

    • RustySharp@programming.devEnglish
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      7 days ago

      They’re also close to buyitforlife territory. Mine is >15 years old (1st gen i5!). The AM4 mount would’ve been free if I had the original receipt. But alas, I had to fork out $10 cause I was too dumb to have taken a photo of it back then.

      • PeanutBrain@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        7 days ago

        I sent an email with a picture to them of the CPU and NH-D14 I got and they sent me AM4 kit for free. I bought the cooler used and use it still to this day.

      • steelplatedmech@piefed.caEnglish
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        7 days ago

        I’ve been using Arctic fans. Are Noctua fans super amazing in comparison?

        I built a CR Box fan too using 5 Arc Fans, but seen builds with Noctua fans to make it super silent.

        • teebeutel@feddit.orgEnglish
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          7 days ago

          I have been rocking the same noctua fan/cooler fan for +10 years.

          If you still have the receipt they send you adapter kits for new processors for free.

          • chiliedogg@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            6 days ago

            Free in that you paid a $120 premium to get a $10 part every 5 years with an upgrade.

            They make good stuff, but it just isn’t worth the markup. If actually you need the level of performance to justify spending that kind of money, just go with liquid cooling.

            • teebeutel@feddit.orgEnglish
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              6 days ago

              The “premium” you are talking about were 60€ in 2015. It survived 3 builds until now, pretty good deal. If you need pretty LEDs and fancy colours you can always choose a competitor.

              • chiliedogg@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                6 days ago

                60 euro premium and how much money has it saved you versus buying something cheaper and an adapter at each upgrade?

                • teebeutel@feddit.orgEnglish
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                  3 days ago

                  It cost me nothing because I did not need to buy a new one each time.

                  So what should a cooler in this category should have Costed in 2015 for you?

                  You keep rambling about premium but do not define what that means for you.

      • 🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 🇮 @pawb.socialEnglish
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        7 days ago

        All but the cheapest fans these days are buyitforlife material. The only thing really gonna fuck up a modern fan is epic amounts of dust binding up the ball bearings. And many fans these days use a newer magnetic type system where there isn’t even any physical contact being made to wear anything down.

    • Sludge@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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      7 days ago

      Thank God the prices of dacs and other audio gear hasn’t gone crazy… Yes they’re already expensive a lot of the time, but I couldn’t bear to pay a 200% premium when upgrading audio gear