Can someone point me at one of these “tankies”? I only ever see strawman posts about how stupid they are.
Post something controversial like “Stalin killed some of his own people” on .ml and you’ll see plenty of them.
Either that or say NK is a dictatorship. When I first got on lemmy I got dogpiled by the hexies because I dared to say NK is a highly propagandized country (even gasp* moreso than the US). Still waiting for even a single one of those guys to move countries to live under the Kim regime, which apparently is the chillest, friendliest place on earth.
US is absolutely more propagandized than NK lmao, NK dont even need to propagandize their people against US, they just need to tell the truth about the horrific crimes US commited there. What has NK ever done against US to be this demonized? lol.
US bad doesn’t mean NK good, ya mook
when did I say that? good and bad are moralist positions, we marxists dont believe in moralism.
Is that why you support the killing of millions of USSR civis? Like legit?
when you are in a making shit up competition and your opponent is a kamla harris voter liberal:
What has NK ever done against US to be this demonized?
That’s the wrong question
why? USA wiped out 12-15% of North korean population btw, they have every single right in the universe to demonize that country.
What a pedo rapist little bitch trump is
why do you support subjugating north korea to brutal sanctions?
Oh yeah. Now that I reread it that IS what they said 🙄
you seem to be mad
Nah. I was just bored and waking up.
read lenin dude.
How does one get so far left that they are a “tankie”? I feel like I am very left leaning, but I would punch a tankie in the head.
is my understanding wrong? I don’t get how you could be “Far Left” (In that they would be against Authoritarian Governments like the Nazis) yet also a “Tankie” (Which embraces and supports Authoritarian Governments).
Help me?
It is honestly pretty simple:
US = bad -> anti US = good
Add to that the idea that revolutions are inherently violent and killing of some traitors is fine and you have your tankie. For dictators being somewhat anti American is a pretty good strategy. The US propaganda is pro democracy and that is a great enemy for a dictator, the US also does a lot of evil shit and the fact that your country is poor is all to blame on the US and absolutely not on the dictators stealing everything. That btw is also why “socialism” never worked for tankies. As in it would have been perfect, but the US destroyed it.
As for many of the best stories, there is a good bit of truth in it. As in the US actually does a lot of evil shit and 100% fights leftist movements. However it is not always the bad guy and two bad guys can fight each other and do so all the time.
Add to that the idea that revolutions are inherently violent and killing of some traitors is fine
This is objectively true. Tell me one big societal change that is achieved without violence?
two bad guys can fight each other and do so all the time
Democrats and Republicans, i.e. Libs and MAGAts
absolutely not on the dictators stealing everything
Most of the time those “dictators” are dirt poor themselves (see maduro or gadaffi). I dont know where you got this assertion from.
That btw is also why “socialism” never worked
Socialism absolutely worked and it was 100% destroyed by USA most of the time.
Yes, tankies are fascists and think almost exactly like MAGA.
I’m not sure socialism as a concept even makes sense when used together with authoritarianism. “Far left” looks like it’s exclusively a made-up label for some flags the Alt-Right uses.
Liberals have exact same stance on imperialism as MAGA
hence liberals = fascists
I’m not sure socialism as a concept even makes sense when used together with authoritarianism
So you support anti marxist socialism? i.e. utopian socialism? lol.
“Far left”
“Tankie”
Choose one
You can be left and authoritarian. At least outside of the US you can, in America all politics get squashed into a single binary choice, so it seems weird.
You can also be left and be right, and dumb and wise, and black and white, all simultaneously! Up is down, back is forwards, authoritarian is left!
No, left is against hierarchy
No, left is socialist (in the broad sense, opposed to individualism)
* Anarchism has entered the chat*
Yea just gonna full sail disagree with you on this claim.
Many types of anarchism fit under the socialist umbrella
Yes, I agree, which would disagree with the other comment’s point that socialism inherently opposes individualism.
As much as i know, anarchy is not indivualist since the entire point of anarchism should be that the community works togheter to do stuff
It’s what happens when you don’t have the the ability to analyze through dialectical materialism. It’s confusing when suddenly the fascist mad man is seemingly taking the same stance as “tankies” on normalizing relations with a non violent country who’s only crime has been being victim of a genocidal campaign over half a century ago. Trump likes Kim for the same reason that he likes Xi. He thinks they are actually the evil dictators that the US makes them out to be. He wants to be an evil dictator. He will always respect any leader that panders to his ego and treats him like a leader. Ironically, Western countries are bad at this. It’s why he hates europe. Hell, Mamdani was smart enough to play a similar game of charisma. That’s the dialectics. At least from what we are hearing from Trump. It’s why he says things like this.
The main material reason is that the defeat in Iran has made any chance of the US maintaining its military in East Asia laughable. It cannot maintain its illusion of China being a threat. If China was going to invade Taiwan it would have done it. Instead, China cut its oil imports to help all of its Asian neighbors. The dream of a “shift to Asia” that happened under Obama is gone. The US power in West Asia is dying and they are pulling weapons and troops from East Asia to desperately attempt to hold onto it. They are stuck with capital invested in a region that they are showing absolute failure and weakness in. With capital investments in Israel and the military industrial complex Trump is being pressured to just “bring things back to how they were”. They never will be. It may take a long time before that is admitted. I expect another round of bombing campaigns and maybe even a desperate small ground troop invasion to attempt to save face and “claim the strate”. But this likely will fail and remain in this denial state for some time; ending through a different president most likely.
He will continue to deny the defeat and soon desperately shift to the one region of the world US capital can continue to exploit: South America.
Some of this is me mixing in my own predictions. Feel free to critize that. But, we obviously all know “JDPON Don” falls into the correct position sometimes, often because of his own ego and the shifting global relations in the face of a dying empire.
TLDR: The “tankies” are against American Imperialism. American Imperialism is losing its power and is forced by material circumstances to take actions that “tankies” would consider good. Trump is appealing to the “strong man” in Kim to make his weak move (failed Iran war causing troops and weapons to be removed) look like strength.
see how they just downvoted your comment and lack mental capacity to actually reply.
Almost like the throughline is authoritarianism. They like it when they have control but they don’t like it when who they don’t like has control.
Honestly, it feels like those with lower iq and less ability to inform themselves are the ones that love authoritarianism. They can’t form a coherent ideology and devolve into just trying to control everyone to their underdeveloped beliefs.
That’s where the whole bullshit idea of horseshoe theory comes from. It’s people leaving out the authoritarian axis because it’s beneficial to divide actual leftists and make us seem crazy.
why do you oppose lifting sanctions on north korea - which is a nation that is one of the biggest victim of US imperialism?
Liberals are just imperialists.
Comply with international law and open up and I’d probably be for lifting them.
Just like I’m for removing sanctions on Cuba.
Just like I’m for imposing sanctions on Israel.
Just like I’m for imposing sanctions on my own imperialist country that’s bombing and invading the rest of the world.
And let’s point out too that it’s not the US alone who has sanctions on NK like we do on Cuba. The UN Security Council consistently votes against the Cuba sanctions. They don’t on NK sanctions. Russia and China are part of that council too with veto power, but it’s unanimois. So 🤷♂️
What I would be for, actually, is a better way to affect beneficial change and avoid harming civilians. Sanctions themselves disproportionately affect normal civilians through food and medical shortages, etc, while the political elite can avoid them.
We’re agreed though, liberals, especially neoliberal capitalists, are imperialists. And we’re feeling that imperial boomerang come back around to us finally.
Ok you are alright in this regard
I however disagree heavily with your assertion on “authoritarianism”, because I am a marxist leninist.
Every anti “authoritarian” tendency of socialism (moreso sceintific socialism i.e. marxism) is reactionary and idealist in itself.
So because of your political ideologies you are just going to hand wave aside authoritarianism, neat. What a load of trash.
We need the a Dictatorship of Proletariat to resist imperialism from outside and counter revolution from inside. In liberal terms that would be called authoritarianism, it could be ugly but its the reality and path we need to take.
