Nah, that “first of all” guarantees a Republican victory. And Republicans are absolutely worse than Democrats. The “there’s no difference” crowd are simply wrong. It’s a two party system and that isn’t going to change anytime soon. You change the Democrats one elected official at a time. That’s your only choice.
Ok. What’s going to work? Seriously, tell us a strategy. Because bitching on social media is not a strategy. Third party clearly not a strategy. What’s the plan, chief?
Grass roots party funded by the people and truly for us. Because big money isn’t going to allow anyone to fundamentally change the system. Elect independent individuals into local and state governments as well who will work to remove first past the post and put in ranked choice voting. Again, expecting any of the big money parties to make change is the definition of insanity.
I’ve been hearing about parties for the people, for peace, for love, all coming together for the greater good my entire life. And it just ain’t gonna happen like that. Too many variables, too many viewpoints, too much skewed power and gaming the system.
Lesser of two evils is all we’re going to get. So choose your battles strategically and pick a candidate who can push society forward a few inches. There are no miracle candidates and no revolutions coming.
Ahh so you’re just a nihilist then. Again, you save people a lot of time if you say these things out loud then first of all so we know you won’t be arguing in good faith.
This is true, unless you’re an immigrant or a Palestinian or a union organizer or a peaceful protester or against expanding the police state or against fucking up the climate or you want to protect womens right to abortion or you want to protect queer people or you want universal healthcare or you want to lower the military budget or you want to stop interventionism. Its also not true about changing the democratic party one elected official at a time.
But if we ignore all that, then its true, Yeah.
You can look at what our ancestors did. It took voting against the lesser evil to end slavery. The Republican Party was a third party that abolitionists put forward after generations of effort failed to work either of the existing parties from within. In the end it took forming an entirely new party to actually push forward with abolition.
Yes we wouldnt want you to have to do any work of course. We’ll serve you up something nice on a silver platter, until then I’m sure all the Palestinians will understand that you voted for their genocide. “Oh, there wasn’t an immediate solution to everything available?” They’ll say “no no, we totally get it, please tell them we think its awesome starving to death, wouldn’t want them to be mildly inconvenienced” they’ll say.
I should have said they’ll have my vote. They have my support currently, but as this last election has proven, voting for them when they can’t win only leads to worse and more genocides. It led to fucking nazis troops terrorizing and murdering American cities and citizens, in addition to the worsening crises in Gaza, Iran, etc, American imperialist rhetoric and military actions have skyrocketed in the last two years. Look at Venezuela for god’s sake. America has so many internal problems, no election is ever a one-foreign policy-issue election, framing it that way is just a distraction.
“one foreign-policy one-issue” say you dont give a shit about genocide you coward.
but as this last election has proven, voting for them when they can’t win only leads to worse and more genocides
Because the tactic of running an unelectable psycho and yelling at anyone daring to critique her has really been doing wonders.
Funny to bring up Venezuela, you people really have the memory of goldfish. Venezuela has been the target of the US for over a decade now, same goes for Iran. The only thing thats worse (for you) is that you have to pretend to give a shit.
“one foreign-policy one-issue” say you dont give a shit about genocide you coward.
Sure, no problem: You don’t give a shit about genocide you coward. It’s just a distraction for you, a deflection point to cause chaos and ultimately help elect the greater evil. Which has been shown to, predictably, make things exponentially worse for everyone on Earth. Congrats. Maybe you’ve never had your neighbors dragged out of their homes, shipped off to extra-national prisons, and brutally executed in the street, but I have, as a direct result of low voter turnout and third party vote-splitting. We have no use for either, nor anyone pushing rhetoric that inevitably leads to them.
Nah, that “first of all” guarantees a Republican victory. And Republicans are absolutely worse than Democrats. The “there’s no difference” crowd are simply wrong. It’s a two party system and that isn’t going to change anytime soon. You change the Democrats one elected official at a time. That’s your only choice.
Gloat more. You just want a system in which no one less genocidal than you is allowed to run.
We’ve been trying this “incremental change” in Democrats for decades now and this is the results we’ve got. Nah, don’t think it’s going to work chief.
Ok. What’s going to work? Seriously, tell us a strategy. Because bitching on social media is not a strategy. Third party clearly not a strategy. What’s the plan, chief?
Grass roots party funded by the people and truly for us. Because big money isn’t going to allow anyone to fundamentally change the system. Elect independent individuals into local and state governments as well who will work to remove first past the post and put in ranked choice voting. Again, expecting any of the big money parties to make change is the definition of insanity.
Ok good luck with your by-and-for-the-people party
You could have said you were a conformist jerk and been done with it. Saved me the trouble of thinking you actually cared.
I’ve been hearing about parties for the people, for peace, for love, all coming together for the greater good my entire life. And it just ain’t gonna happen like that. Too many variables, too many viewpoints, too much skewed power and gaming the system. Lesser of two evils is all we’re going to get. So choose your battles strategically and pick a candidate who can push society forward a few inches. There are no miracle candidates and no revolutions coming.
Ahh so you’re just a nihilist then. Again, you save people a lot of time if you say these things out loud then first of all so we know you won’t be arguing in good faith.
Nope, keep guessing
This is true, unless you’re an immigrant or a Palestinian or a union organizer or a peaceful protester or against expanding the police state or against fucking up the climate or you want to protect womens right to abortion or you want to protect queer people or you want universal healthcare or you want to lower the military budget or you want to stop interventionism. Its also not true about changing the democratic party one elected official at a time.
But if we ignore all that, then its true, Yeah.
This is ahistorical drivel.
Oh ok tell us your plan then.
My plan is to shit in your mailbox
You can look at what our ancestors did. It took voting against the lesser evil to end slavery. The Republican Party was a third party that abolitionists put forward after generations of effort failed to work either of the existing parties from within. In the end it took forming an entirely new party to actually push forward with abolition.
Just as soon as there’s a viable leftist third party, they’ll have my support. Currently, third party votes only guarantee the greater evil wins.
Yes we wouldnt want you to have to do any work of course. We’ll serve you up something nice on a silver platter, until then I’m sure all the Palestinians will understand that you voted for their genocide. “Oh, there wasn’t an immediate solution to everything available?” They’ll say “no no, we totally get it, please tell them we think its awesome starving to death, wouldn’t want them to be mildly inconvenienced” they’ll say.
I should have said they’ll have my vote. They have my support currently, but as this last election has proven, voting for them when they can’t win only leads to worse and more genocides. It led to fucking nazis troops terrorizing and murdering American cities and citizens, in addition to the worsening crises in Gaza, Iran, etc, American imperialist rhetoric and military actions have skyrocketed in the last two years. Look at Venezuela for god’s sake. America has so many internal problems, no election is ever a one-foreign policy-issue election, framing it that way is just a distraction.
“one foreign-policy one-issue” say you dont give a shit about genocide you coward.
Because the tactic of running an unelectable psycho and yelling at anyone daring to critique her has really been doing wonders.
Funny to bring up Venezuela, you people really have the memory of goldfish. Venezuela has been the target of the US for over a decade now, same goes for Iran. The only thing thats worse (for you) is that you have to pretend to give a shit.
Oh, he gives a shit. Like every other centrist, he prefers genocide over all things.
Sure, no problem: You don’t give a shit about genocide you coward. It’s just a distraction for you, a deflection point to cause chaos and ultimately help elect the greater evil. Which has been shown to, predictably, make things exponentially worse for everyone on Earth. Congrats. Maybe you’ve never had your neighbors dragged out of their homes, shipped off to extra-national prisons, and brutally executed in the street, but I have, as a direct result of low voter turnout and third party vote-splitting. We have no use for either, nor anyone pushing rhetoric that inevitably leads to them.