No, it’s not. Bush v. Gore decided this trajectory for us, by some Supreme Court justices.
Anybody who was around for that and doesn’t oppose FPTP knows what they’re doing.
There is no reason not to do both.
Revolt and vote for the lesser of two evils. Because if the one doesn’t work, at least it isn’t the bigger of two evils on the throne.
You know the only US election where voters outnumbered nonvoters was 2020, right?
And what did that get us? Genocide, more deportations than Trump 1, massive fracking bills, more money to cops, violent crackdowns on peaceful protesters. The only good thing biden did was pull out of Afghanistan and he was hated for it and followed it up with immediate sanctions to stave the people already suffering under a taliban government.
Edit: Its also just not true. The last time a US presidential election had a turnout below 50% was in the 1920s
So pick the greater evil next! Problem solved
Or do literally anything other than what you’ve been doing for all the decades leading up to this point
Like butt stuff?
What would the french do?
But actually it’s the result of young people thinking it’s cool not to vote, elder stole the future of youths with debt.
As opposed to choosing the greater evil for a change?
The actual issue is money in politics. It’s the reason no politician wants voter reform. It’s why Bernie never had a chance, not just as a presidential candidate. You need preferential voting, no more electoral college and no more Senate - pro rata representation only.
With one turn elections, you have to vote for the lesser evil. If one of the candidate seems really good, you were probably brainwashed by some propaganda (or very lucky this time).
Yet no election is going to bring a leader who would take good decisions, if you allow that leader to peacefully manage own interests. I can’t remember any election anywhere having such results. Good results seem always pushed by a strong people strugle. Is there a better way I am missing?
If you are advocating for proportional representation and ranked choice voting, perhaps you should say that, OP.
Nope, it’s also a consequence of often choosing the greater evil.
And for favouring short term over long term planning.
And zero-sum thinking.
And us vs them mentality.
And a lack of critical thinking in general.
I think you’re forgetting that this is the most important election of our lifetimes. If we lose this one, there won’t be a next election.
— last election
As of liberals think long term. They are reactionary like their conservative bedfellows
Long term thinking would be voting third party.
Hmmm. Really seems like the government today is directly the result of not choosing the lesser evil 2 years ago.
No offense, but for the population at large, was there a meaningful choice?
The side that really wanted this might have been a smaller minority than the ones that did not, but ultimately they were not only far for violent (in every meaning of the word and method) but also had control of the police and the courts, meaning murderers routinely got away with it while the leadership and even rank and file got murdered, received very long prison sentences that removed them from society entirely, or even got framed for murders and executed or lynched for it.
The average person does not now, or have they ever, dictated anything. Also as it stands there is no such thing as an ‘average’ person by any metric.
It’s also the direct result of simply not voting. It’s also the direct result of half-ass voting only on big ticket elections, not the state or primary elections.
And the alternative to lesser of two evils is f’ing what? Some third party candidate that spouts boilerplate slogans and no practical solutions?
The United States has had a long history and gone through many changes. The changes don’t happen overnight, but they happen. They just don’t happen instantly with a super perfect candidate.
Blaming voters when the primary cause for all of that is corporate interference in every aspect from candidate selection to gerrymandering districts to lobbying to the ads seen online and on television to the misinformation/disinformation sewed into widely accepted corporate media.
The people with money are the ones to blame. Not the pool of potential voters beaten into submission at work and propagandized into thinking a far right party and center right party are our only options.
Oh ok, throw that on the big list. Whatcha all gonna do about it?
Well first of all, ditch the fucking pretense that the Democrats collectively are actually leftists. They’re not, never were, never will be while you continue voting for them. Gavin Newsom is looking like the potential Democrat front runner for 2028, and he has a lot of negative things to say about LGBTQ+ people. That human rights are negotiable is an abhorrent political view.
Nah, that “first of all” guarantees a Republican victory. And Republicans are absolutely worse than Democrats. The “there’s no difference” crowd are simply wrong. It’s a two party system and that isn’t going to change anytime soon. You change the Democrats one elected official at a time. That’s your only choice.
Gloat more. You just want a system in which no one less genocidal than you is allowed to run.
This is true, unless you’re an immigrant or a Palestinian or a union organizer or a peaceful protester or against expanding the police state or against fucking up the climate or you want to protect womens right to abortion or you want to protect queer people or you want universal healthcare or you want to lower the military budget or you want to stop interventionism. Its also not true about changing the democratic party one elected official at a time.
But if we ignore all that, then its true, Yeah.You change the Democrats one elected official at a time. That’s your only choice.
This is ahistorical drivel.
Oh ok tell us your plan then.
You can look at what our ancestors did. It took voting against the lesser evil to end slavery. The Republican Party was a third party that abolitionists put forward after generations of effort failed to work either of the existing parties from within. In the end it took forming an entirely new party to actually push forward with abolition.
My plan is to shit in your mailbox
We’ve been trying this “incremental change” in Democrats for decades now and this is the results we’ve got. Nah, don’t think it’s going to work chief.
Ok. What’s going to work? Seriously, tell us a strategy. Because bitching on social media is not a strategy. Third party clearly not a strategy. What’s the plan, chief?
Grass roots party funded by the people and truly for us. Because big money isn’t going to allow anyone to fundamentally change the system. Elect independent individuals into local and state governments as well who will work to remove first past the post and put in ranked choice voting. Again, expecting any of the big money parties to make change is the definition of insanity.
I participate politically in my city but it isn’t about me, this isn’t about atomization of each individual’s participation level. The problem is systematic and framing it as such is important, not blaming individual nameless voters.
250 years. We’ve had a form of First Past the Post for as long as we’ve has government, and mathematically that always results in two parties, aka lesser of two evils. Without changing that, we can point fingers of blame wherever, but the people don’t get a real choice.
I wonder if this sticker is on the car of someone who always voted third party or abstained? Clearly, since it’s “you” and not “us”, so not taking responsibility for generations of voting. Do they realize that their choice might have caused this outcome too? Probably not, since they’re using a bumper sticker to blame everyone else.
Indeed, and I don’t know when things will get bad enough that people stop voting D and R.
Maybe we’ll get a dozen DSA’s elected this time. I dunno.
This isn’t profound. It’s actually just a dumb “both sides bad” take said by people who would snub a candidate they agree with on 70% of issues with a 50% chance of winning for a person they agree with on 90% of issues with a 5% chance of winning.
The 70% candidate losing isn’t a win for your cause because now a person you agree with on 5% of issues just won.
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I dont agree with Democrats on 70% of issues. You people keep making these disingenuous framings where the issue people have with democrats is just some teeny tiny thing and not their policies. The democrats committed a genocide, that was the straw that broke the camels back - It is not the one thing we disagree on. I dont like them deporting more people than Trump, I dont like their fanatic militarism, their police state, the way they fuck the climate, healthcare, their kowtowing to corporate interests, their constant sabotaging of left-wing movements, their starvation of people through sanctions, their repressive violence against democratic protesters, their interventionism, their brinksmanship, etc.
And even if it was, GENOCIDE is pretty fucking massive. Voting for a genocide will only end up with you getting sent to the camps as well.
I - and seemingly many others - have been willing to accept voting for democrats despite their many many many dogshit policies, as long as they: Protected Roe v. Wade and didnt gleefully directly commit a genocide.
And they fucked it up. So now people won’t vote for them, because there is no reason to.Genocide apologia
