When are these images taken? Currently the White House and National Mall look like a trailer park aftter a tornado rampaged through it.
Why are trailer parks always the example for when something looks like shit? Im genuinely asking. Trailer parks where I live arent bad at all. Im not saying they look like mansions but people generally take care of them and make an effort to keep their property looking nice.
The comparison is after a tornado has been through it. Trailer parks don’t do well against tornadoes
Ah. That makes more sense.
You guys need to chill on the hate. A good amount of hate is fine but y’all becoming redditors.
It’s starting to look like Europeans can’t tell where the front door is or the backdoor is. It’s like these protests are supposed to result in yes daddy and yield results. Sorry, you’re reading history books to tackle modern day issues.
I seek the down votes. They let me know you read my unpopular opinion. Also I do enjoy traveling to Europe.
I can’t tell if this is a right winger thinking everything is alright in the USA or someone who realizes we’re in sort of a lull between crazy stuff happening and other crazy stuff happening. Edit: ahhh I read the comments.
Rebellion against the Imperium usually begins in the provinces.
No it begins in the large cities when a critical mass of people don’t want to abide by the given rules anymore instead they want to write their own.
On average, how long does it take a European to travel to their capital city, either driving or public transit? How long does it take an American to reach DC?
Are European capitals generally the center of population?
Maximum travel time to the Capitol for each country by the lesser of car or train:
Albania 4.5 – 5.5 hours (by car)
Serbia 4 – 4.5 hours (by car)
Spain ~3.5 – 4.5 hours (via AVE high-speed rail)
France ~4.5 – 6.5 hours (via TGV high-speed rail)
United States 43 – 46 hours (by car, excludes Alaska and Hawaii)
Yep, one of my favorite comparisons is that Germany is about the same size as Montana
Even people inside the US have a poor concept of just how big it is.
Like, only India, Russia, and to a lesser degree China compare to the US in terms of livable land area. After that is Brazil at less than half.
I honestly don’t think it’s a coincidence that the four countries with the largest liveable area have a serious authoritarian leadership problem right now.
Trying to organize in the capitol is a nightmare. I think we’re better off pressuring governors and state officials more than trying to focus on the national level.
If we don’t cause discomfort for the federal representatives, I’m afraid they will just call it a local problem much as they’ve done with the No Kings protests up to this point
I see it as two folds, get the local governments to deny and defy Trump then take it to the capitol. It’d be harder to ignore if states are supporting this. But the images show riots and I don’t think it’d be easy to get the numbers in DC to really snarl things up without prior organization. Trump was only able to do it because the Democrats are pathetically weak.
You’re not wrong, but I think you might overestimate the number of states where anything like this could actually happen. It would be spun as a “leftist rebellion” and they’d send in the militia fuckers with glee IMO
They’d do it with any rioting or similar in DC. We’re in a position people are being killed by the regime and will continue to be, and I think we should have a few states backing up counter movements in some way. The 2021 insurrection was able to get away with it because the regime was still in control at that point to let it happen.
“Damn, I would resist the tyranical government, but not if it takes me more than couple of hours to get there. My hands are tied, I could never get to the government building in time.” But then again, you guys didn’t vote that one time because you didn’t know how to buy stamps and googling it was the whole thing, so I get it.
couple of hours to get there
Wow, people are always so quick to point out how bad Americans are at world geography then say stupid shit like this. Get a map
Oh, that’s unfair. Americans aren’t just bad at geography, they’re also shit at reading comprehension, but thanks for the demonstration.
I asked a European friend to take a look. Nope, you’re still the idiot. Get a map and try your “couple of hours” from anywhere outside of DC and report back
That’s just precious. You’re unable to comprehend a single sentence, and you’re doubling down on that.
More ‘we cant do anything because xyz’ arguments. There are protests outside of Paris. Here in Canada, an infintely sparser population, the railroads were shut down over the pipeline in 2020. We literally saw store shelves here on the east coast get emptier because the trains werent running.
Are Americans lacking any and all imagination that all they can think of doing is non-disruptive protests?
Dont get me wrong, Im sure there is creative action happening down there but my god all the comments are full of excuses.
Questions are excuses nowadays. Good to know. 👍🏻
Oh please. We know what the implication is. Dont play dumb. Dont be a coward and own your argument.
Can I offer some advice? Take your foot off the cunt pedal.
You know Im right. Why are you being a coward about this?
My fascist hello hole is better than your fascist hell hole. Hey, let’s go bomb some more brown people together.
Ill bomb your hello hole. ;)
Americans are trained through 12 years of public education to become docile if or when they protest.
The only characters of the Civil Rights movement that are mentioned in public school are MLK and Rosa Parks.
Practically no mention of Malcom. Everything I learned of the Black Panthers through my public school career, was from watching Forest Gump. BLA? Fannie Lou Hamer? The Deacons for Defense & Justice? Never heard of 'em.
Obviously pacifism is the way to get your message across, right?
Except it fell on deaf ears until black men and women started showing up armed.
(And that, boys and girls, was the start of the gun control movement)
Best we can do is another acronym for Trump or a bumper sticker
Hey those aren’t current pictures of the white house now are they?
One is from Washington DC, the other yes it is from White House.
The key word, here, is current. The east wing is conspicuously intact. The lawn is noticeably not recovering from the UFC stage.
Interesting map:
All quiet on the eastern front…
Last time you could feasibly organise a protest in that suspiciously white area was 2019. The guy who did it was tortured to death in prison. In 2022 I was exiting the metro station about a kilometer away from a known protest area in Moscow, got detained by police, and beaten so hard I couldn’t walk for a week, just because I attended said protests in 2019, and the camera network remembered my face.
That might also be the reason for OP picture I assumeLooks like you don’t know where Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Slovenia and Romania among other countries are.
Don’t be coy, we all know what it’s in reference to. Especially given that some countries on the list actually have pretty lively political activity
I mean, Russia sure, people don’t want to end up in Siberia. But I wonder why Poland, Austria and friends are so empty. Surely Austrian police isn’t worse than fucking Spanish? Also, there is a suspiciously England-shaped hole.
The Brits won’t do shit against their masters. They are only good at punching down.
Two options:
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things are so good there they don’t see the need to protest
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things were so bad for so long that current crisis didn’t make much impact yet
But seriously, I think it’s a mix of those two. Some things are terrible but were bad for so long people got used to it and lost hope it will get better (like healthcare and corruption in Poland). Other things actually got a lot better over the last couple of decades (like salaries in Poland).
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Shame shame USA
At least one of those shots is behind a permanent spiked perimeter fence that you get arrested or shot for crossing. Also Trump keeps moving the White House temporary perimeter fence back further from the White House. I need to check if the Capitol Building is currently fenced off
It’s also not a current picture since you know, a 3rd of the white house isn’t rubble
And there’s still a lawn, instead of a parking lot
No monster trucks, fighting cages, or trailer parks to be seen. Definitely an old pic.
WHY BE THE [[Little Sponge]] WHO HATES ITS [[$4.99]] LIFE WHEN YOU CAN BE A [[BIG SHOT!!!]]
To be fair, its like a 2 day drive for me to get to the Capitol, and gas alone would cost like $1k.
carpool?
hitch hike?
Please show this meme to the people of Minnesota, Rene Goode’s family, Alex Pretti’s family, that kid who lost his eye, and the people who are following ICE around daily to prevent them from kidnapping people.
Doing a protest like the ones in France right now, two weeks before our midterms, would be very stupid and probably boost Trump and the GOP.
Now, when they try to steal the election and nothing gets done you can complain, but I don’t think that’s gonna happen.
Im bookmarking this comment until after the midterms.
Lol because you resisted so hard in 2024. It’s not easy to overthrow your government, but stop pretending the threshold for doing so wasn’t crossed
Not sure what you’re getting at here. Trump won in 2024. Just like Joe Biden won in 2020. Except when Trump won there wasn’t a mob smearing shit on the Capitol walls because they didn’t like the outcome.
I don’t buy any conspiracy theory that Elon changed votes in 2024 or whatever bullshit people are using to cope with the fact that Americans are fucking stupid and Biden was a colossal fuckup.
Please show this meme to the people of Minnesota, Rene Goode’s family, Alex Pretti’s family, that kid who lost his eye, and the people who are following ICE around daily to prevent them from kidnapping people.
This meme isn’t about them and it’s incredible that this is your argument.
This meme is about how Americans are lazy and aren’t doing anything or haven’t done anything to resist or outright overthrow their fascist government. So yeah I’d say those people are relevant.
Are those individuals the ones who are lazy and didn’t do anything, or are you using them as a shield?
Is the image from OP generalizing entire countries?
Maybe both you and OP are bad actors who are looking to drive division and infighting amongst people over what is clearly a global problem.
Or maybe you’re just a smug asshole and part of the problem? But hey, why not knock down and demean others to make yourself feel big and righteous, behave no better than the emboldened fascist fucks.
How would americans like to receive criticism
Gently while being told theyre all really good boys/girls.
I see. So when I tell someone if they aren’t doing the thing in the meme the meme isn’t about them I will also add “and that’s why you are such a good person”.
Deal, but only if we get a chapter on why shame and revenge are poison and how lessons from prison abolitionists can help them be even gooder people.
I’m saying this meme ignores their sacrifices becuase it lumps all Americans into the fat lazy group when they are the clear exceptions. And again, people are still out there doing the work.
I don’t use them as a shield. They’re motivation for me to do better.
defensiveness is a trap
So is generalization.
Much like your stupidity
US is what, 320 million people? And you point one protest and two people killed and use that as an excuse? More kids are being shot at schools daily, it doesn’t stop them from going to school.
No they can’t complain, there’ll just be another wall of excuses and when they aren’t accepted, personal attacks, unless you’re Canadian then you’ll get your arse kissed because the threat is real from them.
The thing about America is, for every person who cares, there are 3 idiots with guns who would love to be the next Kyle Rittenhouse. They aren’t even all republikkkans. Just boot lickers with a murder fantasy
Americans are the biggest bunch of fucking cowards.
I’ll admit it, I’m fuckin afraid of my neighbors in a red state. I’m afraid of my own fuckin parents. They are violent, brainwashed sociopaths with guns. Without a movement to hide in just gonna wind up dead in the street. Call me a coward, but it’s a fine line between cowardice and stupidity. If I wasn’t married, I’m certain I would have thrown my life away on it already.
ok. you can tread on me.
I mean sure, ignore the protests from earlier this year where millions turned out across the nation, but sure…
And did what? They didn’t disrupt anything. Parades on weekends are good for raising awareness, I’m not going to say they are useless. But they are fundamentally different from the other examples given.
I think theyre already aware. They just wont do anything of substance to stop it.
If you go your whole life hearing it’s your god given right to have all the privilege and comfort you have (which is still a pittance in comparison to the rich but more than the people exploited to provide cheap goods) it’s hard to risk them.
Gotten shot and killed by lowest-bidder wannabe cops, who faced zero consequences. And our wannabe dictator said there would be no consequences for killing protesters. The reality is living conditions aren’t bad enough yet for most people to be willing to risk that.
So as it turns out, violence and fear tactics do work…
Protests are not the only option, but when asked why Americans are not making meaningful resistance the argument always boils down to: We have protests! Or We can’t protest!
Perhaps the most cursory look at why these actions are successful in different countries is worth a gander. It’s not that France couldn’t crush every protest with their military.
The difference is the US 100% will and won’t even apologize for it. Then the
stateoligarch run media will say they were “Terrorists”. Hell, the black lives matters protests in Oregon they spent weeks showing the “devastation” the protesters caused, it was like one square block and they had police dressing like protesters instigating the violence so they could disappear people.Did you read the second part of my comment.
Yea, unless I miss interpreted you were saying yes France could crush protests, my point is that they most likely won’t, where in the US they will, and people know they will. see Kent State.
My comment was that protests are not the only option and if you look at why the protests in the other countries are effective, it might give you a little hint about non protest actions that would be useful.
Mainstream media are doing exactly the same in France and they all belong to, oh wait, some right wing billionaire.
It’s almost like someone somewhere is showing the user manual to the others.
Edit: It’s even worse than that. They are saying all the bad guys are extreme leftist from LFI (the most successful left party), gouvernement is somewhat implying the same and some officials even said they should remove this party from power and the upcoming presidential election. They are trying to make the opposition illegal and pave the way for the Fascist. It’s a fucking shit show, of course we need to riot and burn the system, that’s the only thing they are afraid of.
News are circling around the 3% (some are allegedly undercover cops, some are from fascist groups, and more ofc.) that break things, so yeah France is doing the same thing. No talk about why, only about that poor person that got their window smashed. 24/7.
I’ve often been surprised at how living in America is perceived by the world. I’ve met a lot of people from all over the world, and while some have actually spent enough time here to understand the good and the bad. The rest who have not seem to believe in the shiny veneer that we export in our movies and television.
We are absolute wage slaves here. We are one missed paycheck from homelessness. But sure, blame the slaves for not overthrowing their owners.
You are wage slaves who have a higher standard of living than the other wage slaves that are exploited in order to enable the availability of cheap consumer goods which keep the people docile.
This is about the English (and written in 1882) but now also applies to the USA:
Engels wrote: “You ask me what the English workers think about colonial policy. Well, exactly the same as they think about politics in general. There is no workers’ party here, there are only Conservatives and Liberal-Radicals, and the workers gaily share the feast of England’s monopoly of the world market and the colonies.”
This is an expert from Lenin: Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism which I think should be read prior to Settlers if only to disarm the reader from defensiveness. Sakai didn’t invent the idea of the bourgeoisie proletariat, he was building on the ideas of others.
The Chinese aren’t protesting either. For similar reasons too.
I’m not sure the connection? (Genuine)
They’re some of that forced slave labor making the goods that the Americans are wage slaves to consume.
I’d rather have less buying power to buy useless shit I don’t need than to be one paycheck away from homelessness
I think that’s a pretty universal opinion.
I dont understand the logic though so please help me here. I have lived in the US and do have a good idea of how shitty things are (or were even back then). Things will not improve by inaction and are objectively getting worse. So yes, you risk a lot by acting but if you dont your life will continue to get worse and you’ll end up homeless anyway. Or worse.
No one is coming to save you. You live in the most powerful country in the world. Nobody is going to come in and liberate you. Your only option is to save yourself.
Nobody is claiming it will be easy, simple, or clean. But what other option is left? This is why the rest of us are baffled. Especially since the US has built up the reputation of having a rebellious spirit. Where is that spirit now?
I can make this simple: would you be the first to step in front of the firing squad when you have no idea if others will join you in rushing it?
We are not a united people here.
This might be it, because you do pay change for the better with blood, the history is filled with it. The army is brought in, it goes overboard and they open fire on protesters, in every country everywhere throughout history, before people realise what’s happening.
Good luck Americans, this seems to be your turn.
Indeed you are correct.
AMD in 1954 Che Guevara actually came up with a speech that explained everything you need to know about the current americans’ ‘rebellious spirit’ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-H5m_BeJoQA&pp=ygUkd2h5IGFtZXJpY2FucyBkbyBub3RoaW5nIGJhZGVtcGFuYWRh0gcJCTAMAYcqIYzv.
(Im going to add that Im baffled that Many people think that wearing a fucking costume is rebellious enough to substantiate any aubstantial positive changes… WTF?!)
I know that. No one is saying you as an individual need to do this right now. We are saying you need to organize. I think this is a cultural misunderstanding.
When I say ‘you’ I am not referring to an individual. Im referring to you as a people. Maybe that misunderstanding is evidence of the hyper individualism your country has subtly snuck into your lives that prevents you (again a collective you) from doing so.
What did you think I meant by, “we are not a united people”?
You can’t organize peace with people who idealize a fascist society
No one is coming to save you.
Yeah, because they’re all too busy enacting fascism in their own country to do anything about the growing US threat except lick boots. Save us? Lmao you better be thinking about saving yourself once the consequences start rolling in.
We are thinking about that. In fact, as per OPs post, many are acting on it.
No, I meant this part:
do anything about the growing US threat
“Nobody is going to save you” is such a petty, disgusting thing to say when the people you’re looking down on are being turned into the cogs of a machine that has the entire world in its sights. The world needs to save itself from us.
Seriously. The global ultra rich are all working from the same basic playbook. It’s just happening here first due to the extreme concentration of wealth.
Strategically, the best option other nations have to solve the American Problem is to prepare to weather the storm and let the country collapse by itself.
Historically what’s going on now with the US is a pretty straightforward “fall of the Empire” scenario (the biggest Empires invariably fall from internal problems as the generations that created the Empire are replaced by generations which know nothing more than wealth extraction) and interfering with that is a great way to be targetted as a scapegoat by the falling empire’s elites and suffer the side-effects of that empire’s death throes.
Looking from the outside, even if Trump is stopped, the problem will at best be delayed since the other party of the Power Duopoly that controls America is also deeply corrupt and done their part in the decay of that country for the last couple of decades (by weakening unions, deregulating Finance, unconditionally saving big companies, having Financial and Economic policies which reward Rentierism above Work, and so on) - Trump is not the malaise that’s killing America, he’s a symptom of that malaise and removing him will not solve the problem, will not stop another one like him to take over in the future and will not alter the trendof decay, only the speed of it.
As for the idea that Fascism is taking over in other countries, well, the rest is well behind the US in it and it’s exactly the point of the OP that people in other countries are already starting to push against it, well before it gets to the level seen in the US of jackboots (for the US that would be ICE) going around arbitrarilly arresting and even killing people.
I want you to say this same line to a Haitian person in 1804. Or to a Cuban person in 1959. Or to a Russian person in 1918
The amercans indeed are not the healthiest or best paid of all wage slaves om planet Earth today…but their access to spec ops knowledge and to weapons would put most of the world to shame. Heck the average american could put a Hatian person in 1804 or a Cuban pwrson in 1959 to shame with the access to shit they have…and yet…these americans never want to anything about their slavery. 😂🤣
I guess this must be what the americans want seeing as how they never want to substantiate any substantial changes to improve their lives and the lives of others who their mercenaries are currently blowing up as I type this 🤷🏿♂️
are motherfuckers in the us still not aware of trump???
Lol
But a genuine comment because people think I’m a big meanie:
It’s helpful to know that folks aren’t alone and also helpful for orgs who are already doing things to improve the material conditions of their community to get some publicity and maybe some new helping hands.
Maybe then america will realize they have power, and the revolution might not be exactly the same as their last one
it’s also helpful to fight against tyranny though
I mean this in the least antagonist way possible: I don’t think anything I said excludes fighting tyranny.
then… go fight tyranny then?
I think you might be misunderstanding my comments or maybe I’m misunderstanding yours because I am very lost.
I added the “protests aren’t totally useless” thing as a way to combat defensiveness after I replied to the top level comment comparing recent US protests (such as No Kings) to the protests shown in the meme. It’s absurd to compare the two, and not because of the violence that occurs at them. The reason the type of action shown in the image can be impactful is because there have specific goals and targets in contrast to what amount to an awareness campaign or parade.
yeah they didn’t set fire to anything and cause a right wing backlash that help pro putin and islamist oligarchs internationally
standard lemming sigh
haant changed shit…so…who cares?
The anti-US psy-op has been very effective here
America is doing a very effective anti-US psy-op by being fucking terrible.
Sorry to comment twice. But are you actually real? Like a human with breath and a beating heart? You don’t fundamentally understand that difference here? These people are fighting, the “demonstrations” in America have had zero bite, and any real fight in them has been squashed by their own people. You HAVE to see that.
I’m so tired of this idea that these sparse, scheduled, legal events are considered protests.
I’m tired of the idea that looting stores and burning public buildings is an effective way to protest.
Most protests in Europe are also legal events. You ask for permit to march through a city. Only in some places rioters started destroying things. So far peaceful protests in Spain forced government to pass housing laws requested by people and call snap elections while all riots in France achieved is curfew.
Spain has a left wing government (the last time I looked at least) they play by the rules it seems (people ask, government provide as it can).
In France the right have sold out the country to the rich, more or less stole the prime ministers seat (after the snap elections it should have gone to the left, surprise surprise it didn’t) , they couldn’t care less about housing prices and so on.
So when you say france only obtained a curfew you show that you don’t understand those two countries political landscapes.
The fight goes on ✊🏼
So when you say france only obtained a curfew you show that you don’t understand those two countries political landscapes.
What else did they gain? After the riots support Le Pen grew. You really think this is good for the left and our fight?
It’s just the beginning.
French gvt just offered a rework on university selections which is one of the students demands, and more space in unis for more students, which is also something demanded.
So what’s your deal, lay back on the floor and do nothing?
Yes, they will gradually change university selection. Elections are in May, Macron is basically saying “the next person will do something about it, trust me”.
What they should have done? I would say same thing as in Serbia: organize, mobilize, build support for people they want to see leading the country and get them elected. Burning schools and public buildings achieves nothing.
It’s sad that people no longer understand the difference between working towards some goal and violent lashing out. Hopefully lemmy is just an echo chamber fetishizing violence and most people are smarter than that. Hopefully we will see more countries follow Spanish example than the French one.
Oh so you’re one of those people. You think you are 100% right, and absolutely nothing will change your mind.
No need to discuss further, because you are just changing your tube to any new information that contradicts what you said before. For example if I say we already do mobilise, build support to elect Glucksman, you will only spew some other bs.
No need to respond.
if you think that spain has a lefy wing government then you meed help.
spain’s government is capitalistic. There will NEVER be left wing capitalism cause its actually impossible.
Left wingedness places humans at the centre and gives each individual human greater abilitiy to say what they want with their lives. Left wingedness makes more leaders , and it even turns the workers into leaders. This is why left winged exrremism is called ANARCHY, cause then there are no leaders. Right wingednesses centres the rich and their materials. It makes less leaders. And last time I checked pain has only one president . This is why right winged extremism is called AUTOCRACY, one leader.
Hecl even wikipedia itself calls you out. on your idiocracy . DOnt even believe anything I just typed go to wikipedia right now and type in left wing and right wing politics and then show me how anything I just typed is wrong… I can wait 🍿🤭
Dude you live in Dreamland.
We other people actually try to change things by, you know, actually doing something.
No need to vomit wordsalads at me 😁😂🤣
…ok… and what exactly do you other people do? …
Lol stop bothering me 😂🤣😂😁
which sparse ones are you referencing? It seems like you are wondering why CNBC isn’t showing you all the local protests even in conservative towns?
I genuinely do not understand this level of delusion…
Look, these protests are ineffective. Period. They’re nothing more than photo ops for social media. I don’t care if they’re happening everyday and the news isn’t reporting, they are not doing anything to alleviate any of the issues this country is facing.
Yeah obviously they haven’t successfully overthrown Trump yet. What is delusional about me telling you the revolution will not be televised?
“I know that reference!!”
Gotta retweet ot now 😌
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L the fuck M A O
