It turns out all countries have an authoritarian desire and like to do horrible stuff to their civilians. At any point in time some may be better than others. But all of the problems stem from the same root problem of power. It’s a human thing and it’s unavoidable. Something that citizens will always need to fight against.

I don’t understand why this is so hard for you to understand. There were only two options in the last election. Yeah, the Dems were shit, but they were way less fascist.

If you didn’t vote for the Democrats you were voting for fascism. You enabled the fascist party of the United States of America to take charge. You helped fascists take charge of the most powerful country in the world.

As I’ve stated before, there was no vote that you could make that wasn’t going to result in genocide. This whole no voting /voting for a third party thing is just a virtue signal. It’s to make you feel good and that’s it.

What really makes me sick is it seems like you have no remorse. We didn’t know how bad Trump would be. But now that we do know you don’t seem to care.

At least I feel bad about the dead Palestinians. You seem to have no remorse whatsoever over the harm and death that will be caused by the people that you have helped put into power.

I hope you realize it eventually and learn from it.

Yes, 100 percent agree. Dems are useless. They could have really made a good showing when Trump started to do the fascist shit. But they decided to roll over and be smug about it.

What do you think you are accomplishing by being such an insufferable ass?

Did you forget you were calling me progenocide a couple replies ago? I’m sorry I was just following the vibe. I guess you can dish it but you can’t take it.

Assuming what is in heart incorrectly doesn’t counter my facts.

I didn’t vote for the Dems because of loan forgiveness, I voted for them because they were the least fascist option.

It’s ok though, I understand you are struggling with how your vote supported rapidity brining fascists to power. The large amount of death caused by the loss of USAID. Sending of innocent people to El Salvador concentration camp. Autistic people being marked as non-human. And look at that, it isn’t even half way though the first year of this term.

Literally, your only hope right now for a good outcome is if soo many people die that we 180 out of this with a revolution that somehow doesn’t result in another authoritarian being in charge soon. Seriously, shit is soo fucked right now, I have become an accelerationist.

We all did, we all voted for it. We didn’t all vote for fascism though. That was a you thing probably.

No matter what action you took in this last election. You were voting for genocide.

• Republican - genocide
• Democrat - genocide with less fascism.
• No vote - The two major parties are pro-genocide so you are genocide by default.
• Third party - none of the third party candidates had a chance so genocide by default.

So accusing anyone of voting for genocide is kind of silly because everyone did. No one really had a choice.

Yeah, I definitely don’t care enough to discuss it with you. Have you read what you have posted? You sound like the least reasonable person to discuss this with. You aren’t even engaging with what I have posted, you are just activated by the fact that my definition isn’t exactly your definition. Go argue about nothing with someone who cares, I am not into this kink.

So we are just arguing over the definition of Democracy? I think we have to agree to disagree here. I don’t think I care enough to have a deep discussion with you about that.

Not necessarily, you can use more steel, stronger parts. And if forever chemicals become a problem, you can regulate them just like with everything else. Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.

Why are you mad at me? All I am saying is what we have right now is worse than what we had last year and I would like that back at the very least. I never said that what we had a year ago would solve all the problems or was the ideal government or the best form of democracy.

Ok then, using your metrics we never had democracy. Using my metrics we had democracy, and I would prefer that to fascism.

But I also like stronger democracy. So if we can make improvements I’m all for it.

If I read this reply as an honest question I would say, unfortunately yes, as long as they’re doing fascist things.

If I read this reply as a gotcha attempt, I would say I am a fat man and I would say yes. Fascism is a disease of the state. People are going to die, and some people will catch strays.

The sooner we wake up to the fact that there are political problems that need to be solved the sooner we can stop doing this horrible stuff.

This took me a long time to figure out so I’m very sympathetic.

One way political people bring attention to bad politics is to body shame. The intent is to bring energy to the shaming. This is to wake up all the non-political people by being funny or hateful. These emotions travel farther than just facts.

The side effect is that some people walk away thinking the body shaming is the point. It isn’t.

It sucks that the facts aren’t enough, but that is the world we live in.

So it’s not that micropenises are bad. It’s that Trump is bad and it is the common thought that micro penises are bad or funny or inadequate. Just because it’s common thought though doesn’t mean it’s true.

Depends on you threshold but we have had it for a while. No need to spend money on elections or news media if we didn’t have a democracy.

Who said anything about anarchism? I’d be happy to just get democracy back.

I just think it’s racists being stupid.

John Green: Yikes!

This was not my intention. Thanks for bringing it up.

What is the difference between fascism and ultra-fascism? Everything you listed for ultra-fascism can and does occur under fascism.

I’ll reiterate that I reject the premise as a false dichotomy

Great, what option am I missing? Without a democracy what options do we have other than revolution (I also don’t like but it is preferable to no democracy)?

with the option of 20 years of fascism there’s a chance of ending up like modern Spain and a possibility for some people that I love and care about to survive (and continue to fight for a more just world)

I get it, you are afraid of losing your love ones dying or being sent to a camp. Me too. What stops that from happening under fascism? Are your family and friends white? Listen, non-Jew Germans got put into camps too at Nazi Germany. Some people are more safe than others, but no one is safe. Due process is already gone. You’re either with them or against them, and my friend, this post you made is more than enough to send you a very fun place if they find you.

It’s easy to get myopic and not see or empathize with the millions that would be impacted.

I am not, I hate this. I have already said this. Empathy is what drives me to accelerationism.

There’s 340M people in the US, 170M of which require a prescription medication at a given time…

My friend, the US has already started a trade war with the world. There isn’t really any coming back from this. Even if I wasn’t an accelerationist, people are already going to die. Lots of them. The die is already cast here. Fascism started the trade war.

Sure, the intention looks better but, by measure of total human cost, it is kinda hard to see accelerationism as the lesser of evils here.

Do you not think fascism kills/harms people or do you not think the US is a fascist state? Listen, to be a moral net good, all accelerationism needs to do is to harm/kill one less person than lasting fascism would. I think that is pretty doable seeing as US fascism will affect the world.

As the proverb goes: “The road to hell is paved with good intentions.”

Right back at you Friend!

Additionally, (I can’t emphasize or repeat this enough) there’s no historical data to suggest that accelerationism doesn’t just end up with straight-up fascism

I agree, also, the US is currently (already) a fascist state! Do you think Trump is going to let an election remove himself from power? I am open to reverting out of my accelerationism if I feel like we are in a democracy again. So we will have to see how midterms and the next presidential elections look. But it isn’t looking great.

They also don’t pay the clerks enough to give a shit.