say the literal acts you want Americans to do or you’re even more cowardly than we are. ICE can’t disappear you if you’re in europe, you don’t need to mince words
America isn’t going to have a revolution. Modern Americans couldn’t revolution our way out of a Walmart. Best we might be able to do is a collapse, and we’ll blame it on everybody in the world but ourselves.
But we do have little to no independent media, which does help Dutton and his cohorts (Trumpets of Patriots or some nonsense) convince people to put in donkey votes at best and vote for them at worst. All they need is a majority in parliament to push the crazy.
Things like American citizens being deported to foreign prisons when they have not committed a crime?
Travellers with legal visas at the border being imprisoned and tortured instead of just turned away?
Private citizen data being stolen from government facilities while federal employees are illegally terminated from their jobs?
States being threatened with loss of funding until the King gets a personal apology up to his standards?
is there actually evidence of them being tortured?
Illegally detained sure. The worst thing that’s happening right now is the deportation stuff, but we’ve done this before, multiple times. Notably with the japanese.
It’s not good, don’t get me wrong, but we’ve done it before, and came back from it once. All of this shit is also being challenged by the judicial branch, whenever it gets off of its ass that is.
most of these things haven’t gone through fully, or are being immediately responded to with lawsuits. USAID for example. Immediately overturned in court.
Now we could quibble about the degree of torture, but then we would be arguing about how much torture is acceptable for someone who had a visa, a job in the US, and was apprehended at the border instead of just denied entry.
And again I ask, what specific things need to happen before people will start doing something about it?
i’m not sure that’s necessarily torture, inhumane conditions for sure.
The worst one in that case is lights being on 24/7 and no sleeping arrangements. But it’s also not clear how long people are being held either.
Speaking to CBC News earlier Thursday, Jasmine’s mother, Alexis Eagles, said her daughter — who grew up in Yukon and had been living in B.C. until last year — was being detained at the San Luis Regional Detention Center after she recently tried to enter the U.S. from Mexico.
she’s canadian, visiting canada, and entered the US through mexico? Ok, so it looks like she tried to enter at the canadian border, her visa was revoked, she tried to then enter through the mexican border for some reason, after having her visa already revoked. Seems questionable and like a stupid decision to me, and even her mother seems to agree with that.
and was apprehended at the border instead of just denied entry.
i would assume that revoking a visa, is a denial of entry, especially since this literally happened at the canadian border, so maybe you want to read up a little bit on that one again.
And again I ask, what specific things need to happen before people will start doing something about it?
i don’t know, good question, it’s the hard question to answer here. The judicial branch has already done something about it. It’s definitionally illegal, it’s just a matter of it being escalated to the scotus, and hoping they side with the law.
i’m not sure that’s necessarily torture, inhumane conditions for sure.
As I said, your quibbling over the definition of torture, ignoring the actual issue here: is this “inhumane treatment” appropriate for someone who hasn’t been charged with a crime?
But it’s also not clear how long people are being held either
She was held for 11 days, it’s in the first paragraph.
i would assume that revoking a visa, is a denial of entry,
"She attempted to return to the States with the new visa
I would assume being granted a new visa is a statement that "it’s okay to come back now’.
The judicial branch has already done something about it. It’s definitionally illegal
And no one is listening to them.
the scotus, and hoping they side with the law.
The same SCOTUS that already ruled that Trump can not be charged with a crime? If they side with these illegal actions will that be reason to act? Or will the response be “The Court says this is legal so I guess it’s fine.”
They are boiling the frog slowly. If you were asked a year ago if everything that’s happening now would be cause to do something and start protesting most people would have said “of course!” But somehow by the time the US got here people are still saying “we’ll protest when things actually start happening”.
People who have committed no crimes are being detained with no charges in inhumane conditions for weeks, and everyone in a position of power is fine with this. So I continue to ask you name something that if it were to happen it would definately be time for Americans to do something. It doesn’t have to be the exact line in the sand, it can be something that “we should be protesting before this happens, but if it has gotten to this point we definately should be opposing it.”
Holding people in inhumane conditions isn’t enough.
Denying reporters access to the country because they have been critical of Trump in the past isn’t enough.
Deporting American citizens to foreign prisons isn’t enough.
The fact that a judge said they can’t deport American citizens to foreign prisons and they still did it anyway isn’t enough.
so when does the revolution start?
say the literal acts you want Americans to do or you’re even more cowardly than we are. ICE can’t disappear you if you’re in europe, you don’t need to mince words
here you go:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution
America isn’t going to have a revolution. Modern Americans couldn’t revolution our way out of a Walmart. Best we might be able to do is a collapse, and we’ll blame it on everybody in the world but ourselves.
America doesn’t need a revolution, a simple general strike will remind the capitalist bastards that they rely on us, not the other way around.
then what are you waiting for?
I’m Australian. We have mandatory voting, which makes it almost impossible for a nutjob like Trump to take control here.
But we do have little to no independent media, which does help Dutton and his cohorts (Trumpets of Patriots or some nonsense) convince people to put in donkey votes at best and vote for them at worst. All they need is a majority in parliament to push the crazy.
same, I meant what are they waiting for
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lol imagine not receiving your pay because you went on a strike
we did a blackout already, nothing happened. Barely even made news.
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…the revolution will not be televised…
when things actually start happening.
Until then, nobody cares.
If you’ve ever wondered why hitler got so far, this is why.
gestures broadly
Things like American citizens being deported to foreign prisons when they have not committed a crime?
Travellers with legal visas at the border being imprisoned and tortured instead of just turned away?
Private citizen data being stolen from government facilities while federal employees are illegally terminated from their jobs?
States being threatened with loss of funding until the King gets a personal apology up to his standards?
What things are you waiting for?
is there actually evidence of them being tortured?
Illegally detained sure. The worst thing that’s happening right now is the deportation stuff, but we’ve done this before, multiple times. Notably with the japanese.
It’s not good, don’t get me wrong, but we’ve done it before, and came back from it once. All of this shit is also being challenged by the judicial branch, whenever it gets off of its ass that is.
most of these things haven’t gone through fully, or are being immediately responded to with lawsuits. USAID for example. Immediately overturned in court.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/canadian-detained-us-border-1.7483021
Now we could quibble about the degree of torture, but then we would be arguing about how much torture is acceptable for someone who had a visa, a job in the US, and was apprehended at the border instead of just denied entry.
And again I ask, what specific things need to happen before people will start doing something about it?
i’m not sure that’s necessarily torture, inhumane conditions for sure.
The worst one in that case is lights being on 24/7 and no sleeping arrangements. But it’s also not clear how long people are being held either.
she’s canadian, visiting canada, and entered the US through mexico? Ok, so it looks like she tried to enter at the canadian border, her visa was revoked, she tried to then enter through the mexican border for some reason, after having her visa already revoked. Seems questionable and like a stupid decision to me, and even her mother seems to agree with that.
i would assume that revoking a visa, is a denial of entry, especially since this literally happened at the canadian border, so maybe you want to read up a little bit on that one again.
i don’t know, good question, it’s the hard question to answer here. The judicial branch has already done something about it. It’s definitionally illegal, it’s just a matter of it being escalated to the scotus, and hoping they side with the law.
As I said, your quibbling over the definition of torture, ignoring the actual issue here: is this “inhumane treatment” appropriate for someone who hasn’t been charged with a crime?
She was held for 11 days, it’s in the first paragraph.
I would assume being granted a new visa is a statement that "it’s okay to come back now’.
And no one is listening to them.
The same SCOTUS that already ruled that Trump can not be charged with a crime? If they side with these illegal actions will that be reason to act? Or will the response be “The Court says this is legal so I guess it’s fine.”
They are boiling the frog slowly. If you were asked a year ago if everything that’s happening now would be cause to do something and start protesting most people would have said “of course!” But somehow by the time the US got here people are still saying “we’ll protest when things actually start happening”.
People who have committed no crimes are being detained with no charges in inhumane conditions for weeks, and everyone in a position of power is fine with this. So I continue to ask you name something that if it were to happen it would definately be time for Americans to do something. It doesn’t have to be the exact line in the sand, it can be something that “we should be protesting before this happens, but if it has gotten to this point we definately should be opposing it.”
Holding people in inhumane conditions isn’t enough.
Denying reporters access to the country because they have been critical of Trump in the past isn’t enough.
Deporting American citizens to foreign prisons isn’t enough.
The fact that a judge said they can’t deport American citizens to foreign prisons and they still did it anyway isn’t enough.
So what is enough?