Can you explain this to me in very simple terms? What’s the problem with .world? When I signed up I was told it was just the most broad, sort of “default” instance. What’s wrong with it? Is there one with a larger user base I should be on instead?
Lemmy.world has an overwhelmingly “US Democratic Party” slant, politically, as far as mods and admins tend to lean. As a consequence, it often censors criticism of the DNC from the Left, and is defederated from instances it disagrees with politically.
How does one go about figuring out this information? I’ve seen no evidence of censorship, but I also don’t really know what it would look like. I do I learn an instance has been defederated.
As a side note, we need to come up with a MUCH more simplified way to teach people about the fediverse if we’re ever going to get a large enough userbase. This shit is very complicated and confusing compared to more mainstream social media.
Just interacting with it and word of mouth, really. You can check federation, or scroll the drama communities, but at that point it becomes very “trryhard” for social media.
I’ve never had my criticism of the American democratic removed nor my leftist views. They have removed posts and comments showing support of Luigi Mangione (in the context of killing the wealthy). And the instances in question that world has defederated are lemmygrad (which if the name isn’t a big enough hint is a Leninist instance where they praise the USSR and China, hate anything western and ban anyone disagreeing with them) and Hexbear (who are politically adjacent to Lemmygrad but were banned by most instance because they were always brigading other instances and being generally annoying).
The only reason the other person is bringing up the defederation as a negative is because he ideologically agrees with those two instances. You can decide for yourself whether to value his opinion or not.
There are modlogs for all instances. Check them and you’ll see that you are being lied to. You’re right. .world doesn’t censor things that don’t violate the rules. And there is nothing at all in the rules that state you cannot criticize the DNC.
In fact, the person that’s bullshitting you, posts criticism there and is not censored. There’s TONS of criticism of democrats in .world. In fact it’s about 50% or the political content there.
Most of the people that cry about .world are either banned or have been temp banned many times for trolling and violating the actual rules of the instance. Not disagreeing.
Wow! Yikes! Does certainly seem like the mods like to remove and ban people a lot. A lot of what I’m seeing on there is for comments that while I don’t personally agree, don’t really seem like they should be removed. I’m not trying to make a judgement about their personal politics, but they are certainly making their own subjective decisions about a lot of things that should really be left to the wider community…
Be sure to note what reasons are shown for removal. Then check other instances and the communities issuing the removal/ban.
There are civility rules in most instances that where we don’t have to agree with what’s said, at least be civil about it. And what I find is that on .world, most removals are because actual rules are violated. Those having their content removed will cry that it’s bias, without even contest they violated the instance or community rules.
Whereas if you look at .ml, the admins override the mods are remove contend that clearly doesn’t violate any rules at all.
This is not me complaining ing because I have been one of the people removed/banned as I don’t contribute content to that place. Therefore there is no personal bias from me.
Now. Look at all the people whining about .world and check the modlogs of their content.
Therein is where you’ll find the point I’m making here.
Check the modlogs and show me one example of a mod removing something critical of the DNC, that didn’t break the rules. There is TONS of shit on .world that is critical of the DNC from the perspective of the left. YOU have posted quite a bit of tit yourself, so stop the bullshit.
In contrast, go ahead and check the modlogs of .ml and note how the ADMINS- not the mods (which are powerless there) remove shit every day they demonstrably break no rules whatsoever- because its Critical of china/russsia.
Check my modlog, I was permabanned from Political Memes for calling out the DNC’s involvement in the Palestinian genocide (with sources), then asking the mods how that broke the rules, which angered them into banning me. I was also temp-banned from ask lemmy for calling out a known transphobe, which the mod defended as “aggressive misinterpretation” on my end (despite the history of that poster’s transphobia). I also got permabanned from tankiejerk for giving a nuanced opinion on Socialism from a Marxist perspective, when the post gave an unclear definition.
So no, in my experience, Lemmy.world is filled with censorship, on top of outright defederation from the major Marxist instances. Explain to me how it is “free speech” to create an echo chamber that aligns with the US status quo.
Finally, I am not a mod nor an admin of Lemmy.ml. I don’t remove comments or posts. Regardless of how Lemmy.ml is run internally, I have access to far more types of speech through federation, that those on Lemmy.world are deemed not allowed to even see in the first place.
Looks to me your shit was rightfully removed for directly accusing the DNC of actually being the ones committing genocide.
I can’t say for sure what went on between you and them behind closed doors, but you were spreading agenda-based misinformation. I’d have removed your shit too.
Now note how much anti-democratic content still remains there. Then ask yourself what’s different between that content, and the bullshit you posted.
Then go ahead and look at the shit the children that run .ml remove.
Arming and supporting Israel in their genocide against Palestinians so that the US can secure its economic interests in the region is well-documented. Unsurprisingly, you go on to defend moderators that classify anti-Zionism as anti-semitism, it makes sense that you would consider the DNC’s involvement in the Palestinian genocide to be “misinformation.” Seems to me that you’re just a fan of Zionism, given how hard you bat to defend it.
I dunno, man. I’m pretty new to the whole fediverse stuff. I just learned about modlogs from this thread here, so obviously what I say is not super well-informed on the topic. But looking at the modlog someone linked below, most of the stuff I’m seeing removed are actually the exact opposite. I see comments removed because they’re calling other people tankies. I’m seeing stuff removed because it’s “horseshoe theoretisizing, bad-faith”. Then a bunch of people indirectly advocating violence.
I’ve never been a mod of anything, and a lot of this looks like stuff that if it were up to me I’d leave. But I don’t really see any evidence that .world “has an overwhelmingly “US Democratic Party” slant, politically”. As far as there is any ideological basis behind the mod actions, it seems to be more unaligned leftist than anything else.
Again, though, I’m very new to this and did not do anything close to what I would describe as a thorough search.
Well noted, and for the record- I don’t blindly support everything .world does. There are always exceptions to the rule. So it’s not my intent to make a blanket statement exonerating any and all behavior from the admin/moderation teams that make up lemmy.world.
It’s just been my observation of the parties involved on the subject after having been on lemmy for quite some time. There’s enough evidence in the logs to support most of what I’m saying to be accurate, but it’s not infallibly empirical.
So… I’d say, when in doubt- take a look at the content of character of the one making the complaint either via comment history or modlogs. You’ll see either trustworthy- but extremely biased people, untrustworthy- and extremely biased people, and everything in-between.
But at the end of the day, after all is said… it’s still better than Reddit.
It’s not bad. If you check the modlogs of most of the people crying about it, you’ll find that many of them are either banned, or have had their shit removed for being debate trolls.
There is a lot of “free speech for me, not for thee” people around here, as they stir up shit in .world and then run to their instances where anyone that disagrees with them is banned. Then they accuse .world of bias.
I had no idea using .world was a bad thing tbh, I just made a backup on another instance in case I lost access. Guess I’ll swap to using it full time.
Can you explain this to me in very simple terms? What’s the problem with .world? When I signed up I was told it was just the most broad, sort of “default” instance. What’s wrong with it? Is there one with a larger user base I should be on instead?
Lemmy.world has an overwhelmingly “US Democratic Party” slant, politically, as far as mods and admins tend to lean. As a consequence, it often censors criticism of the DNC from the Left, and is defederated from instances it disagrees with politically.
How does one go about figuring out this information? I’ve seen no evidence of censorship, but I also don’t really know what it would look like. I do I learn an instance has been defederated.
As a side note, we need to come up with a MUCH more simplified way to teach people about the fediverse if we’re ever going to get a large enough userbase. This shit is very complicated and confusing compared to more mainstream social media.
Just interacting with it and word of mouth, really. You can check federation, or scroll the drama communities, but at that point it becomes very “trryhard” for social media.
I’ve never had my criticism of the American democratic removed nor my leftist views. They have removed posts and comments showing support of Luigi Mangione (in the context of killing the wealthy). And the instances in question that world has defederated are lemmygrad (which if the name isn’t a big enough hint is a Leninist instance where they praise the USSR and China, hate anything western and ban anyone disagreeing with them) and Hexbear (who are politically adjacent to Lemmygrad but were banned by most instance because they were always brigading other instances and being generally annoying).
The only reason the other person is bringing up the defederation as a negative is because he ideologically agrees with those two instances. You can decide for yourself whether to value his opinion or not.
There are modlogs for all instances. Check them and you’ll see that you are being lied to. You’re right. .world doesn’t censor things that don’t violate the rules. And there is nothing at all in the rules that state you cannot criticize the DNC.
In fact, the person that’s bullshitting you, posts criticism there and is not censored. There’s TONS of criticism of democrats in .world. In fact it’s about 50% or the political content there.
Most of the people that cry about .world are either banned or have been temp banned many times for trolling and violating the actual rules of the instance. Not disagreeing.
That’s what .ml does.
Where do you go to see the modlogs?
This will get to started. From there, you can search by mod, user, reason, etc….
Each interface should have a link somewhere that directs you to the logs.
Wow! Yikes! Does certainly seem like the mods like to remove and ban people a lot. A lot of what I’m seeing on there is for comments that while I don’t personally agree, don’t really seem like they should be removed. I’m not trying to make a judgement about their personal politics, but they are certainly making their own subjective decisions about a lot of things that should really be left to the wider community…
Be sure to note what reasons are shown for removal. Then check other instances and the communities issuing the removal/ban.
There are civility rules in most instances that where we don’t have to agree with what’s said, at least be civil about it. And what I find is that on .world, most removals are because actual rules are violated. Those having their content removed will cry that it’s bias, without even contest they violated the instance or community rules.
Whereas if you look at .ml, the admins override the mods are remove contend that clearly doesn’t violate any rules at all.
This is not me complaining ing because I have been one of the people removed/banned as I don’t contribute content to that place. Therefore there is no personal bias from me.
Now. Look at all the people whining about .world and check the modlogs of their content.
Therein is where you’ll find the point I’m making here.
Check the modlogs and show me one example of a mod removing something critical of the DNC, that didn’t break the rules. There is TONS of shit on .world that is critical of the DNC from the perspective of the left. YOU have posted quite a bit of tit yourself, so stop the bullshit.
In contrast, go ahead and check the modlogs of .ml and note how the ADMINS- not the mods (which are powerless there) remove shit every day they demonstrably break no rules whatsoever- because its Critical of china/russsia.
The hypocrisy is mind-blowing.
Check my modlog, I was permabanned from Political Memes for calling out the DNC’s involvement in the Palestinian genocide (with sources), then asking the mods how that broke the rules, which angered them into banning me. I was also temp-banned from ask lemmy for calling out a known transphobe, which the mod defended as “aggressive misinterpretation” on my end (despite the history of that poster’s transphobia). I also got permabanned from tankiejerk for giving a nuanced opinion on Socialism from a Marxist perspective, when the post gave an unclear definition.
So no, in my experience, Lemmy.world is filled with censorship, on top of outright defederation from the major Marxist instances. Explain to me how it is “free speech” to create an echo chamber that aligns with the US status quo.
Finally, I am not a mod nor an admin of Lemmy.ml. I don’t remove comments or posts. Regardless of how Lemmy.ml is run internally, I have access to far more types of speech through federation, that those on Lemmy.world are deemed not allowed to even see in the first place.
Here it is.
Looks to me your shit was rightfully removed for directly accusing the DNC of actually being the ones committing genocide.
I can’t say for sure what went on between you and them behind closed doors, but you were spreading agenda-based misinformation. I’d have removed your shit too.
Now note how much anti-democratic content still remains there. Then ask yourself what’s different between that content, and the bullshit you posted.
Then go ahead and look at the shit the children that run .ml remove.
Arming and supporting Israel in their genocide against Palestinians so that the US can secure its economic interests in the region is well-documented. Unsurprisingly, you go on to defend moderators that classify anti-Zionism as anti-semitism, it makes sense that you would consider the DNC’s involvement in the Palestinian genocide to be “misinformation.” Seems to me that you’re just a fan of Zionism, given how hard you bat to defend it.
I dunno, man. I’m pretty new to the whole fediverse stuff. I just learned about modlogs from this thread here, so obviously what I say is not super well-informed on the topic. But looking at the modlog someone linked below, most of the stuff I’m seeing removed are actually the exact opposite. I see comments removed because they’re calling other people tankies. I’m seeing stuff removed because it’s “horseshoe theoretisizing, bad-faith”. Then a bunch of people indirectly advocating violence.
I’ve never been a mod of anything, and a lot of this looks like stuff that if it were up to me I’d leave. But I don’t really see any evidence that .world “has an overwhelmingly “US Democratic Party” slant, politically”. As far as there is any ideological basis behind the mod actions, it seems to be more unaligned leftist than anything else.
Again, though, I’m very new to this and did not do anything close to what I would describe as a thorough search.
Well noted, and for the record- I don’t blindly support everything .world does. There are always exceptions to the rule. So it’s not my intent to make a blanket statement exonerating any and all behavior from the admin/moderation teams that make up lemmy.world.
It’s just been my observation of the parties involved on the subject after having been on lemmy for quite some time. There’s enough evidence in the logs to support most of what I’m saying to be accurate, but it’s not infallibly empirical.
So… I’d say, when in doubt- take a look at the content of character of the one making the complaint either via comment history or modlogs. You’ll see either trustworthy- but extremely biased people, untrustworthy- and extremely biased people, and everything in-between.
But at the end of the day, after all is said… it’s still better than Reddit.
So, welcome in!
Please do!
It’s not bad. If you check the modlogs of most of the people crying about it, you’ll find that many of them are either banned, or have had their shit removed for being debate trolls.
There is a lot of “free speech for me, not for thee” people around here, as they stir up shit in .world and then run to their instances where anyone that disagrees with them is banned. Then they accuse .world of bias.