As someone fairly new to Lemmy, y’all should just try making informative posts. I see lots of posts exactly like this, but there’s never any substance. What exactly did those instances do to earn their reputation? Start there. I’m close to blocking some communities because the lore just has no entry point so why bother.
Those 3 instances are the biggest Marxist-aligned instances, either implicitly or explicitly. People taking issue with the stances and positions Marxists have, or Marxism in general, tend to not like them. That’s about it, really.
I’ve had my comments removed from Lemmy.world communities that didn’t break the rules, and have not been censored on the Marxist-aligned instances. I could say the same of Lemmy.world, that it seems in my experience to “be run by people that have no intent whatsoever to allow free-speech or fair debate.”
Calling out the Democrats for their participation in the genocide of Palestinians is removed as “misinformation,” and entire instances going against the standard Lemmy.world political line are defederated, preventing “free speech” before it even has a chance to exist.
I don’t think defederation is a bad tool, but I do think using it against large instances and then claiming to be “pro free-speech” is a bit ironic.
Can you explain how what I said is trolling, or misinformation? To be clear, you are calling the comments where I called out known transphobes for their transphobia “breaking the rules,” as well as calling the DNC complicit in the genocide of Palestinians as “misinformation?”
Incorrect. It’s not about the fact that they’re communists. Rather, it’s about their strict nationalistic feelings towards Russia and China. They claim that these regimes are communist (which is incorrect), and thus support any action by these nations. They enable and overlook oppressive actions commited by them, while being quick to point out the oppressive actions of the other countries (which are openly capitalist).
I’ve seen many tankies debate with other people, and they frequently employ tactics used by conspiracy theorists, such as selectively accepting sources, and denouncing everything else as propoganda. I’ve even seen a tankie denounce a news outlet, then use the same outlet in the same thread to argue their point.
I say this as someone who finds Marxism appealing, by the way. So I am in no way (as far as I can tell) biased against these people.
I’ll emphasize what I said, as I believe I already covered what you’re talking about:
People taking issue with the stances and positions Marxists have, or Marxism in general, tend to not like them.
Marxists in general tend to critically support Russia’s opposition to US Hegemony (and no further than that), and support “AES” (Actually Existing Socialism) countries like the PRC, Cuba, Vietnam, etc. Not a single Marxist believes Russia post-USSR is Socialist, though the vast majority of Marxists do believe the PRC is Socialist. Exceptions include the Peruvian Marxist-Leninist-Maoists (not to be confused with Marxism-Leninism Mao Zedong Thought, which is Marxism-Leninism under Mao but does not see Mao’s contributions as universally applicable), or Trotskyists.
I think you’d better understand the points Marxists make if you spent some time trying to actually understand their viewpoints, instead of misframing them in this manner. What, for example, do you find appealing about Marxism that stands in contradiction to the actual stances Marxists hold, not your misrepresentations of them?
.world is full of assholes who so assume they are right I have had people there make the most rude and egotistical comments on other people from assumptions from sexual orientation to wealth to just threats that when pushed back upon they lock down their belief so hard that they state no evidence could be provided to correct them like a maga style conspiracy theorist and then the mods will delete comments from and ban only the victim as they celebrate keeping their narcissism at peak.
Then the 3 communist communities are that kind of unwilling to waver but more on specifically calling out western authoritarianism while being extra forgiving towards eastern authoritarianism because they think it’s the only alternative and so need to forgive it and block nuance from the conversation to protect ego and faith.
And since it’s primarily political posts that make it to All lots of users have pushed back gotten yelled at and banned from those communities from the obvious chaos of talking politics with people who only interact with their own bubbles.
Honestly they are just the oldest communities with members who are the most devout in their faith and don’t communicate well with others. As Lemmy was basically originally a quarantine for the worst users of reddit.
It helps to adopt the mantra of “block early, block often”. Sometimes you can salvage a community merely by blocking one (or a few) posters/commentors, other times it helps to block the entire community (on PieFed there are additional options beyond merely Subscribed vs. All vs. Local, but on Lemmy you have to jump through all of these hoops, so yeah, blocking helps a ton).
There are occasionally lore posts but people vary SO MUCH in what they consider “good” or not that it is hard to have those conversations without them devolving into shouting matches - unfortunately some people are not content to allow others to have their preferences without things like trolling and brigading and going through someone’s entire comment history and downvoting literally everything they’ve done, etc.
But keep watching, occasionally those lore posts do come up every now and then.
As someone fairly new to Lemmy, y’all should just try making informative posts. I see lots of posts exactly like this, but there’s never any substance. What exactly did those instances do to earn their reputation? Start there. I’m close to blocking some communities because the lore just has no entry point so why bother.
Those 3 instances are the biggest Marxist-aligned instances, either implicitly or explicitly. People taking issue with the stances and positions Marxists have, or Marxism in general, tend to not like them. That’s about it, really.
Check the modlogs of those three communities and note how much of the content that is removed, doesn’t break any rules whatsoever.
They are run by people that have no intent whatsoever to allow free-speech or fair debate.
They deserve to dry up and disappear.
I’ve had my comments removed from Lemmy.world communities that didn’t break the rules, and have not been censored on the Marxist-aligned instances. I could say the same of Lemmy.world, that it seems in my experience to “be run by people that have no intent whatsoever to allow free-speech or fair debate.”
Calling out the Democrats for their participation in the genocide of Palestinians is removed as “misinformation,” and entire instances going against the standard Lemmy.world political line are defederated, preventing “free speech” before it even has a chance to exist.
I don’t think defederation is a bad tool, but I do think using it against large instances and then claiming to be “pro free-speech” is a bit ironic.
ROFL
You get your shit removed for spreading bullshit misinformation and aggressively trolling people.
Thanks for proving my point.
Every one of your removals is a direct violation clearly stated rules. If they don’t violate the community rules, they violate the instance rules.
Can you explain how what I said is trolling, or misinformation? To be clear, you are calling the comments where I called out known transphobes for their transphobia “breaking the rules,” as well as calling the DNC complicit in the genocide of Palestinians as “misinformation?”
Unsurprisingly, you go on to defend moderators that classify anti-Zionism as anti-semitism, it makes sense that you would consider the DNC’s involvement in the Palestinian genocide to be “misinformation.”
ROFL!
thanks for proving my point. I rest my case. I’m going to block you for a while now so as not to have to have uncleared notifications from a troll.
Cool 👍
Incorrect. It’s not about the fact that they’re communists. Rather, it’s about their strict nationalistic feelings towards Russia and China. They claim that these regimes are communist (which is incorrect), and thus support any action by these nations. They enable and overlook oppressive actions commited by them, while being quick to point out the oppressive actions of the other countries (which are openly capitalist).
I’ve seen many tankies debate with other people, and they frequently employ tactics used by conspiracy theorists, such as selectively accepting sources, and denouncing everything else as propoganda. I’ve even seen a tankie denounce a news outlet, then use the same outlet in the same thread to argue their point.
I say this as someone who finds Marxism appealing, by the way. So I am in no way (as far as I can tell) biased against these people.
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I’ll emphasize what I said, as I believe I already covered what you’re talking about:
Marxists in general tend to critically support Russia’s opposition to US Hegemony (and no further than that), and support “AES” (Actually Existing Socialism) countries like the PRC, Cuba, Vietnam, etc. Not a single Marxist believes Russia post-USSR is Socialist, though the vast majority of Marxists do believe the PRC is Socialist. Exceptions include the Peruvian Marxist-Leninist-Maoists (not to be confused with Marxism-Leninism Mao Zedong Thought, which is Marxism-Leninism under Mao but does not see Mao’s contributions as universally applicable), or Trotskyists.
I think you’d better understand the points Marxists make if you spent some time trying to actually understand their viewpoints, instead of misframing them in this manner. What, for example, do you find appealing about Marxism that stands in contradiction to the actual stances Marxists hold, not your misrepresentations of them?
.world is full of assholes who so assume they are right I have had people there make the most rude and egotistical comments on other people from assumptions from sexual orientation to wealth to just threats that when pushed back upon they lock down their belief so hard that they state no evidence could be provided to correct them like a maga style conspiracy theorist and then the mods will delete comments from and ban only the victim as they celebrate keeping their narcissism at peak.
Then the 3 communist communities are that kind of unwilling to waver but more on specifically calling out western authoritarianism while being extra forgiving towards eastern authoritarianism because they think it’s the only alternative and so need to forgive it and block nuance from the conversation to protect ego and faith.
And since it’s primarily political posts that make it to All lots of users have pushed back gotten yelled at and banned from those communities from the obvious chaos of talking politics with people who only interact with their own bubbles.
Honestly they are just the oldest communities with members who are the most devout in their faith and don’t communicate well with others. As Lemmy was basically originally a quarantine for the worst users of reddit.
Basically:
It helps to adopt the mantra of “block early, block often”. Sometimes you can salvage a community merely by blocking one (or a few) posters/commentors, other times it helps to block the entire community (on PieFed there are additional options beyond merely Subscribed vs. All vs. Local, but on Lemmy you have to jump through all of these hoops, so yeah, blocking helps a ton).
There are occasionally lore posts but people vary SO MUCH in what they consider “good” or not that it is hard to have those conversations without them devolving into shouting matches - unfortunately some people are not content to allow others to have their preferences without things like trolling and brigading and going through someone’s entire comment history and downvoting literally everything they’ve done, etc.
But keep watching, occasionally those lore posts do come up every now and then.