(this is a sarcastic post meant to highlight the absurdity of some of the “greater good” rhetoric we’ve been hearing, especially around leaving vulnerable populations like disabled people behind in case of revolution, basically accelerationism)

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    The Neoliberals have had 50 years in control of the “leftist” party, and they have only enabled the country to move further right.

    They are either impotent or complicit.

    This election the Neoliberals will either lose control of the party or we start a new leftist party. If they try to shove another milquetoast neolib down our throats they might get elected, but then the next Trump gets elected after 4 years of impotence and the cycle of the Duopoly continues.

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      Personally, I think some states are close to center, some are further left and others are further right. Rather than splitting the party and the vote share, we can grassroots organize, get signatures for a ballot initiative, and change the voting system away from First Past the Post. Our voting system is what ultimately prevents viable alternative parties from appearing and is causing the “safe incumbent” neoliberals to win out over “risky” progressive picks since people only get one vote and they don’t want to have their least favorite candidate win over their favorite and their safe choice.

      Organizing now matters a lot. If we change even a few more states away from First Past the Post voting, like we did with Alaska and Maine, then third parties will have much more stable ground to actually form and win elections on the state and federal level. I still think supporting incumbents in many cases make sense until we act to change the voting systems. Although rallying around potential candidates which are pushing for change can make a difference in some races.

      We can try to change the voting system on the county level and city level if trying to get the state as a whole to change has not been working in your state.

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        It’s always the leftists “splitting the party”, never the conservative Neoliberals.

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          That’s not something I would say or agree with. My statement is separate from that type of perspective and not what my comment was talking about.

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            Rather than splitting the party and the vote share, we can grassroots organize, get signatures for a

            You don’t even read your own comments

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              I did. You’re taking an uncharitable reading of my comment. Nowhere in my comment did I assign blame. My comment is about the need to change the voting system, which enables more progressive and third party wins ultimately. I also included some pragmatism, as I’ve seen progressives in my state struggle to win. I did not say anything about any sort “progressives are too left for the country and party!!!” because that’s not a very nuanced take and doesn’t reflect reality.

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      Obvious bad faith argument. Voters and gerrymandering from the GOP moved the country further right.

      The country will move left when leftists start winning elections.

      Which is much less likely now that Trump is in office.

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        My bad I must have forgotten the part where Democrats, the “leftist” party of unions and ending slavery, wasn’t allowed to ever gain power in my lifetime, and that’s why they have done absolutely nothing to protect unions and push leftist policy.

        OH WAIT A DEMOCRAT GETS ELECTED EVERY 4 YEARS AND THEN FUCKING MEETS FASCISTS IN THE MIDDLE, MOVING US FURTHER TO THE RIGHT.

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          No one is “allowed” to take power. There is a constant struggle for it. Leftists have been losing that struggle because they don’t get enough votes.

          Dems move right because it is a politician’s job to cater to their constituents regardless of their ideology. If there are fewer leftist constituents then the politicians move right.

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            Ahh yes, that’s why Republicans do such a good job representing the normies and leftists in their constituents, because they represent all of their constituents, right?

            Your brain is mush if you seriously believe it’s perfectly OK for Dems to move right and repugs to also move right…

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              -311 days ago

              “If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. The will reject democracy.”

              As republicans have become less popular over the years, they have resorted to more gerrymandering, voter suppression and psyop campaigns to win without catering to constituents. Like the one you are contributing to right now.

              Your brain is mush if you seriously believe it’s perfectly OK for Dems to move right and repugs to also move right…

              It is what the voters voted for. You sound like a dictator who demands it your way instead of what the people want.

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            umm akshually there’s nothing they can do even tho they had the presidency and a congressional majority because…

            Just shut up man

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              -411 days ago

              Another bad faith argument.

              You know that “majority” consisted of Sinema and Manchin and in addition to that, most big changes require a super majority.

              But you’re just trying to cause infighting.

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                311 days ago

                akshually we should never expect a political party to force their memebers to vote together, unless it’s republican solidarity and we should expect that

                Yeah you should shut up man

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      -1011 days ago

      Good point, the Dems stink! They haven’t done anything to stop Trump!

      I’m gonna vote for Trump next election and until the Democrats start opposing Trump