Can someone explain to me how my state got everything else right for the most part but went stupid for this one?
Literally, let’s inspect little girls privates, but not boys, because 10 trans students exist and MIGHT want to play sports with their friends? Jesus.
It was also kind of disgusting that literally all our state initiatives were funded by a 1%-er, Brian Heywood and his Let’s Go Washingtion PAC.
what exactly gives you that idea? I literally just had a conversation with a very left leaning friend yesterday and she made it pretty clear she thought it was ridiculous for trans women to be competing again biological women because she said they clearly had an unfair advantage.
Either your friend is a TERF or it was what we Germans call “Geschichten vom Paulanergarten” which means it never happened.
People who claim trans women have an unfair advantage don’t know what HRT does to a body and muscle retention.
So stfu about shit you have no idea about.
You should take your own advice.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9331831/
That’s a review and not a study. And a lot of the content is pretty cherrypicked.
Bad try.
This is an actual study that shows that transwomen have comparable fitness to ciswomen.
https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/60/3/198
That is also a review, my friend.
It’s also just an abstract. Do you have the full paper?
I will acknowledge that transgender women after 3 years or so may have similar physical fitness to cisgender women. That 3 years is important though. I think if transgender women were to be allowed to compete in female leagues, there would need to be verification of HRT timelines. In a high school environment I could see this being difficult for a number of reasons. That’s not to say I’m against it, but I think further regulations would need to be put in place in order to guarantee fairness.
Edit:
Reviewing it further…
https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-study-looking-at-physical-fitness-of-transgender-and-cisgender-women/
Also here is something a lot more comprehensive then https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7988249/ if you have a free account, you can see the full text
And sports have standards. In most cases, transwomen have to have hormone levels similar to ciswomen. I agree with having standards to ensure that transwomen have to have been on HRT long enough to achieve similar levels as ciswomen. But banning transwomen from women’s sports is wrong.
Reading that article, it seems to pose more questions than answers. It repeatedly admits that more data is needed.
“Table 1” alone seems to give more reasons than enough to delay integration of trans and cis athletes due to a pretty decent number of “future considerations”.
So as in my previous edits, I still think there are just too many unknowns to ensure fair competition. I think the voters got it right on this one – for now – until those unknowns have been solved.
There aren’t too many unknowns. This shit is well researched due to the entire fucking controversy and it has been determined that despite more lean mass, most transwomen are at comparable fitness to ciswomen. You are acting like transwomen shouldn’t win at all to be accepted into women’s sports.
I dont think you actually read the paper you sent me if this is the conclusion you are reaching.
And I don’t know where you are getting this shit right here. I’m trying to have a real conversation with you and you keep acting like a prick. To be fair though, you aren’t the only one acting like this. People seem to have a foregone conclusion on this subject and if others don’t agree with that, insults follow. I don’t think this does your arguments any favors.
She thinks that Kamala was only slightly too far left when she said that ICE would deport more people under her administration than Trump’s.
thanks for your helpful addition to this conversation.
Ask your idiot friend how long she’s been thinking women are inferior to men.
'Cos that biological essentialism is the bastard child of misogyny
Well, even leftists can be absolutely brain dead fucking stupid. So jot that down.
both parties have their very brain dead portions, one party just has more of them.
I would say anyone that can’t think for themself, fact check, or vet sources is probably pretty fucking braindead. Unfortunately there are almost just as many of those people on the left as there are on the right. I mean theres a reason why the frickin middle class voted against a literal billionaire tax in california.
My point is that your “very left leaning” friend is a fucking dipshit for believing that, and is probably not especially left wing, if they’re willing to throw trans people under the bus based on pseudo-scientific nonsense
Is it pseudo nonsense that men have a physoligical advantage compared to women, or what are you arguing?
Trans women aren’t men and taking HRT impacts your muscle mass, etc.
There is a wealth of scientific literature about the effects of HRT. This isn’t new or unexplored. But apeals to fairness in sports, based on a poor understanding of the science, is being used as cudgel against trans folks. As a wedge issue to bar us from being about to exist freely in public life.
The fact that the sports ban policies that come out of this, also impact cis women and girls, be exposing them to genital checks and the like, are a bonus for the kinds of backward reactionaries who push this shit
read this:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9331831/
Even after years of therapy, there are still remaining advantages that trans women possess; Lung capacity, heart size, bone density, more advantageous skeletal structure, residual strength advantages, etc…
Should we ban tall people from playing basketball?
no, but going off what the findings were in the article it would probably be unfair to let transwomen compete against biological women.
Going down that route we have to face the fact in just about every sport segmented between the sexes it all comes down to peoples individual genetic advantages which would end up doing exactly what you want to happen to trans athletes but on much much larger scale as we’d have to ban anyone that’s over a certain threshold in their relative sport.
Too tall, can’t play basketball/volleyball/football. Etc etc.
There are differences between sporadic genetic advantages and distinct highly consistent physical advantages between the sexes. We already separate sports by sex for a reason. If you are against separating male and female athletes however, I guess we could look at things as you’re trying to frame them. We would just get rid of women’s leagues entirely and let women have the same shot as their male counterparts to find entry into sports. I have a feeling women would not be happy about this though.
pseudo scientific how? this isn’t bigotry, this is a real question.