cross-posted from: https://lemmy.librarysocialism.social/post/61306
The US Senate on Monday voted in bipartisan fashion to advance a fossil fuel industry-backed permitting reform bill that would weaken the Clean Water Act and other key environmental protections to make it easier for the federal government to streamline energy projects—including climate-wrecking gas pipelines.
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It was one party all that time? Damn, they’re good!
This is exactly what we need to point to whenever someone says vote blue no matter who.
I don’t think that is a gotcha once you consider the full context.
Voting blue is not an assertion that the Democrats are good.
The problem is that our culture is so rotten and voting system so broken that the other viable choice is nazi dictatorship on top of being even MORE capitalist and corrupt and destructive.
Depends. Is it Primaries season, or is it the General election?
If the former, then vote progressives in.
If the latter, show me in the races these Democrats were elected where the Republican wasn’t objectively worse on practically every issue.
The Democratic party and GOP should both go the way of the Whigs. Neither are working for the American people. Or humanity.
This is why I get tired of the US getting criticized.
It’s been said the only true role fulfillment championed by dem leadership is to be the perennial opposition party. They are not paid to win and subsequently they do not motivate their lesser peers to behave like winners. Schumer and Jeffries were chosen to maintain a constant loser state of existence.
I fuckin hate these people
I’m flabbergasted! I have been blindsided!
What next? No universal healthcare? Seven bucks and change minimum wage in 2026? No term limits? Openly senile senators and Presidents? Madness.
We live in strange times. It’s almost as if they’re openly colluding without even bothering to hide it. Everybody on Lemmy knows “bOtH sIdEs” is Russian propaganda, this must be fake news.
Ratchet goes clink
For those who like explanation.
That fucking sucks.
If you read about the legislation, there was a lot of phrasing in it to make it sound like they were giving concessions to climate goals, but in practice it’s really just a palatable wrapper to cut red tape for fossil fuel companies.
It had a couple riders though such as lukewarm regulations for data centers, so I wonder how many of these Dems got caught up in that, or how many neglected to read it for its substance.
I have no doubt that some of them at least voted for it because it’s a boon to the fossil fuel industry though.
We might be able to use some parts of it to further the development of renewable energy infrastructure, but overall that’s a consolation prize at best, and this should have been rejected in favor of crafting better legislation next session.
or how many neglected to read it for its substance
All of them neglected to read it. I think senators and congresscritters should have to take a test to prove they read a bill before being allowed to vote on it.
That would be so funny. We really have to micromanage them, don’t we?
They forget that they work for us, not the other way around. After all, who pays their salary?
Ossoff WTF are you doing!?
The man is a Democrat, but only barely.
He is less insane than his Republican opponent by far, but not a great candidate in his own right. I’m glad we won the general election but I wish he had lost the primary to someone more progressive.
It’s not like he ran as a progressive. He’s pretty center left.
Left, hahahahahahahaha. that was funny. You guys wouldn’t recognize leftism if it kissed you and told you you are going to have sex with it.
WHAT DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE/LEGISLATOR ACTUALLY WANTS WORKERS TO CONTROL THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION? Just one name please. Bet you cant, because there are none.
for some reason I read this as a “step-bro” joke
Step-voter, what are you doing?
I always like to consider every side of an argument but since this community has socialism in its name I want to ask you all a question- if you lived in a socialist country would you also oppose measures like this or would you want a more efficient process?
In my opinion, leftists in socialist countries are used to having projects completed relatively quickly, projects that meet the goals of the state and which further societal interest.
I do not support projects whose goal is to make money for corporations. I do not support projects that cause great harm to the environment for profit. I realize that in America we have for-profit systems that are motivated by greed. So the expedition of permitting processes will probably only help the corporations. But my question is about how you would feel about this type of efficiency if the projects benefited society as a whole.
But my question is about how you would feel about this type of efficiency if the projects benefited society as a whole.
A rational society would have an honest conversation about just how much our environmental impact on our nations and planet should be, and to weigh the cost and benefits of various forms of environmental impact. Everything we do affects the environment in some way. You have to weigh the benefits and drawbacks. You can avoid digging a landfill if you build an incinerator, but then you have to deal with the emissions from the incinerator. Solar panels reduce CO2 emissions, but you have to build a mine to get the materials to build them, and all the damage therein…Vast solar farms in the desert are a great idea, but now you have to build vast new energy transfer infrastructure. That’s going to involve tearing down some nature.
How you balance all those? Local damage vs global issues like climate change? Do you try to create some planet-scale ecological model, and have scientists optimize for minimum biodiversity loss? Do you just leave everything up to popular vote? I don’t know. Choose your flavor of socialism. But the idea is that the overall human impact on society would be something that is consciously chosen and managed in some rational way other than pure profit.
or would you want a more efficient process?
Not sure what you’re asking - but a large part of the reason that I find capitalism such a bad idea - and particularly the neoliberal private/public version - is that on top of the cost of the capital, you also need to pay out the profit to the parasitic owners.
I’d be very happy with less red tape, of course, provided that it was actually giving effeciency. But most capitalist moves in that direction are actually just increasing externalities - putting the risk on the public to increase private profits.
from the article: The 22 members of the Senate Democratic Caucus who voted with Republicans for passage were:
Heinrich (D-NM)
Hickenlooper (D-CO)
Kim (D-NJ)
King (I-ME)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Ossoff (D-GA)
Peters (D-MI)
Reed (D-RI)
Rosen (D-NV)
Schatz (D-HI)
Schumer (D-NY)
Shaheen (D-NH)
Slotkin (D-MI)
Warner (D-VA)
Warnock (D-GA)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Damn I really thought better of Whitehouse, at least on climate issues. :(
The bill hasn’t been enacted into law yet, still time to contact representatives while it’s in the amendment process: https://5calls.org/issue/bipartisan-affordability-and-jobs-act/
The new election was such a mixed bag for me. On one hand we now have Peggy in the Senate. On the other hand we have fucking Amy traitor Klobuchar as the fucking governor of Minnesota to try and fill the shoes of Walz. God I hate her so much
Ossoff (D-GA)
Warnock (D-GA)Well that’s a fucking disappointment.
Hickenlooper is up for reelection next cycle - hope Colorado sends his ass packing. Imagine voting with Republicans just a week after the country clearly signaled the far left is what they want. Can’t wait to vote against this old neocon.
Also - schumer lol. Of course
Why the fuck is a single Democrat voting for ANY MAGA legislation?
Collusion. They are more friendly than you and your best friend
Owned opposition
Fuck you, Chucklefuck.
A bill to facilitate data center builds. Fantastic. /s
