• @[email protected]
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    27110 months ago

    I live in a humid climate (especially in the summer), and if we don’t refrigerate our bread and tortillas, or any baked goods, they get moldy in like 4 days.

    • @[email protected]
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      10910 months ago

      Have you tried freezing it?

      Refrigerating baked goods accelerates staleness, but most baked goods freeze well.

      • @[email protected]
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        4210 months ago

        I’ve had bread in the freezer for months, I throw it straight in the toaster and it comes out like, well… normal ass toast.

        • @[email protected]
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          710 months ago

          Good to know, I recently started getting bread from a local bakery but it doesn’t last, I’ll have to try freezing it next time

      • @[email protected]
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        1210 months ago

        Freeze it every time.

        If you’re anything less than a family of four, leaving bread at room temperature is just eating half a loaf of bread and then throwing away half a loaf of mouldy bread.

        Most supermarket bread has indeed already been frozen before you get it.

        I even freeze all the cakes from Costco, since they only seem to come in packs of about a thousand.

      • @[email protected]
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        510 months ago

        Only exception for me is tortillas. I mean they technically freeze well, but they will also stick together which would make quite a thick burrito.

        My parents always freeze them and I always forget until I’m there trying to make a burrito and it tears in half.

        • @[email protected]
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          510 months ago

          yup. tortillas go in the fridge so you can get individual ones easily. Staleness never really bothered me, but i do warm them up on the stove to improve malleability. And i like to get my burritos a little crispy on the outside to help seal the final fold. Now i want burritos…

          • @[email protected]
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            110 months ago

            I freeze tortillas, one trick to using them after they thaw is rolling the whole package a couple of times both ways.

            Still have to be careful separating them, but it’s no worse than a package of tortilla that has sat underneath too much weight for too long.

            This trick also works with tortillas that sat underneath too much weight for too long

      • jackeryjoo
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        410 months ago

        This is the way. It’s all I do.

        If I’m going to use the bread in the next couple days? I’ll keep it out. Otherwise, I put all my baked goods/bread in the freezer, and extra freezer I bought. Keeps for months. 6+ months if you’re lucky and willing to deal with it being overly dry.

      • Ben Hur Horse Race
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        110 months ago

        people are downvoting a scientifically verifiable statment.

        owning the bread chillers

    • @[email protected]
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      2710 months ago

      Same. I don’t get why people act like putting bread in the fridge is world ending. Unless your eating a whole loaf of bread in 2 days in the fridge it goes.

      That or you get a loaf of mold on the 4th day.

        • @[email protected]
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          610 months ago

          Or lightly toast it? You don’t have to get it crispy to warm it up. It’s better than moldy bread

        • @[email protected]
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          410 months ago

          Toasting! Doesn’t even have to be browned, doesn’t even have to go long enough to get firm, but a little warming up makes bread even better! :D

    • @[email protected]
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      I had air conditioning growing up and my family tends to make desserts more in the winter.

      The first summer living on my own, I made a beautiful blueberry pie, and the next morning I took it out of the microwave (to keep bugs away during the night- I have since learned this was also an idiosyncrasy from my parents. Most people just cover it) and it was already visibly moldy.

      I’m glad I got a slice the first day, and I definitely learned a lesson but holy shit was it a surprise.

    • @[email protected]
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      I had 65% last weekend and since then constantly a bit above 50% in Switzerland. Usually around 30% until summer. How much is humid for you?

    • sp3ctr4l
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      I too grew up in a humid environment and got used to using either a bread box or the fridge.

      Then I realized that our bread was just cheap sugar infused garbage, and that if you pay a bit more for better bread, it does not mold anywhere nearly as quickly.

    • poVoq
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      Well, yes…but 4 day old bread from the fridge is basically inedible as well because of the bad taste.

      • @[email protected]
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        I’ve never had my bread get stale from being in the fridge for 4 days. You have to leave it in a bag or airtight container.

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          Then you probably only ever had bad bread to begin with.

          Edit: I suspect all the down-votes are from the US/UK who sadly never tasted good bread fresh from the oven it seems.

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            Good (fresh) bread only lasts a day or two around my house, because it’s amazing and delicious and everyone just eats it.

            Average commercial everyday bread is going to sit around longer because it’s waiting on someone to feel like making a sandwich, or feel like having toast. It’s basically a pantry staple hanging out, waiting to get used. The fridge is fine for that.

            EDIT I see your edit - I think culture/lifestyle is also playing a fair part here as well. I’ve spent most of my life living in a rural area where nothing is walkable, so trips to the grocery store were once a week. If I lived in a place I could just walk down the street to a bakery and grab a fresh loaf, that would be different. But just because I don’t live in a walkable place doesn’t mean I’ve never had good bread.

          • @[email protected]
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            910 months ago

            I bake frequently, sometimes bread, sometimes bagels, sometimes sweets. If I leave any homemade goods out on the counter in the summer, they would get moldy even quicker than store-bought.

          • @[email protected]
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            510 months ago

            why are you comparing 4-day-old bread to bread fresh from the oven? wow yeah it really doesn’t compare, what genius observation. what kind of storage makes it as good as fresh bread from the oven, pray tell?

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              Buy less and only eat fresh 😎

              Stale bread, no thanks. Even no bread at all is better than that.

              But freezing it and reheating it afterwards also works OK for some types of bread.

              • @[email protected]
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                Buy less and only eat fresh 😎

                But don’t you get it? Here in the US, we can’t do that because we’ve got to drive an hour to the grocery store once a week (or less)! Uphill, both ways, fording rivers and traversing icy mountain passes! Waaah!

                Obligatory NotJustBikes on how there is a better way

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            Downvoters are brain dead. Science aligns with the taste buds on this one. Freeze your bread, you degenerates! Doesn’t take terribly long to thaw, doesn’t become dry and stale af like fridge bread.

            Hi, it’s you from the future, older and wiser, take your fucking bread out of the fridge!

      • @[email protected]
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        710 months ago

        Keep it in the bag and then warm it up in a toaster oven. Imagine eating sad room temperature bagels…

  • RandomStickman
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    My SO got a chuckle out of me because I instinctively put chocolate in the fridge. I grew up in a hot climate but I live in Canada now.

      • @[email protected]
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        Even when in canada, because cold chocolate below 20°C is cronchier and doesnt melt in your hand as fast.

        • Ephera
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          It changes the taste, though. Like, it’s probably not noticeable for cheap chocolate, as that tastes flat to begin with, but proper chocolate should be kept at room temperature…

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            It warms up and develops its taste in your mouth. Im pretty picky about chocolate quality but i still prefer the expensive ones below room temperature. Unless its like mousse ones. Maybe im just weird idk.

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            There are certain chocolates I won’t buy in the summer, because above 25 degrees they get spongy and below 15 degrees they are flat and hard. I think it’s why most drugstore chocolate in the U.S. tastes like cocoa scented candle wax. It has to withstand the heat.

    • @[email protected]
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      I put dark chocolate in the freezer, not for preservation or anything I just love the texture.

    • cally [he/they]
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      Wait, yeah I guess it does make sense that people living in cold climates wouldn’t put chocolate in the fridge. TIL

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        The reverse is also true sometimes. Coconut “oil” for example is always a solid where I grew up, and it caught me by surprise seeing it actually being sold as a liquid in normal oil bottles.

        • BubbleMonkey
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          I really enjoy coconut oil as a rough weather gauge.

          I cook with it a lot, but prefer it to be in liquid form for easy measure (which only happens in the warmer bits of summer here), so in winter, I keep a jar of it on top of a particularly warm heat vent.

          I keep my place at 60f/15.6c in winter or it costs a fortune to heat. When it’s relatively warm out, the heat doesn’t kick on often enough to melt it, but when it’s real cold/windy the entire thing will be liquid.

          • @[email protected]
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            310 months ago

            How are you able to keep yourself warm enough with 15-16c of room temperature, though? I can sleep with 18 and above, do daily stuff and touch water regularly without much hassle, but even that drains a lot of energy from me. Below 18 would be a high risk of catching an illness if I am staying home those days.

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              Heated mattress pads on my bed and couch, mostly. And a heated chair pad when working. They cost a ton less to run than filling a drafty space with gas-warmed air, and are mostly sufficient. A month of both of the big pads being constantly on, on high, barely touches my electric bill, but my gas bill for heat… I keep it that cold because that’s still around $200 usd/mth. If I bump it to 65/18.3, it shoots up to the $350-400+ range. And since I’m not actually comfortable at 18.3 either (26-33/80-90 is about my sweet spot), might as well just keep it at 15.6 and save the money :)

              So those, and fuzzy socks, fuzzy pajama pants, and a fuzzy bathrobe. Maybe a high-heat pad here and there, if I’m feeling luxurious or my back hurts. A friend of mine does something similar, but uses heated vest and socks to take the warm along with (rechargeable ofc).

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                  Yeah, I’m basically built for tropical environments. I’m cold at 75 unless I have a sweatshirt on. And I still wear that big fuzzy bathrobe through most of summer (I don’t have AC, and never have, but I do have dehumidifiers for when it’s really warm, and that’s generally enough).

              • @[email protected]
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                210 months ago

                Hmm, good to know. Electricity rates here are not quite good to go with electric heating, even if for a smaller area, but might be worth checking out to use from time to time. Thanks for the details.

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                  The nice thing about it is that this isn’t actually heating an area, it heats you and the mattress/blankets around you, basically making a microclimate in your sleepy cocoon. Very very efficient, even if your electric rates aren’t great (mine really aren’t either, but it still barely touches it, they just don’t use a lot of electricity). I put my heated pad under a padded pad to help retain and even out the heat, and it helps a lot.

                  Happy to help either way! So here’s some more info!

                  https://electricado.com/how-much-electricity-does-heated-mattress-pad-use/

                  Most of the below comes from that link-

                  60-100 watts is roughly average energy use, but you can get lower, and smaller pads will use less.

                  Energy Cost = (Wattage x Usage Hours) / 1000 x Electricity Rate

                  For example, let’s assume your heated mattress pad has a wattage of 75 watts, you use it for 8 hours per night, and your electricity rate is $0.12 per kWh. The calculation would be as follows:

                  Energy Cost = (75 watts x 8 hours) / 1000 x $0.12 = $0.072 per night

                  For one mattress pad for a 30-day month with the above assumptions, it would run you a whopping $2.16/mth.

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              Warm cloth. The problem is mainly that if it gets warmer during the day, then you end up having a lot of condensate from air humidity on everything and that is the perfect condition for mold to form.

    • @[email protected]
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      I’m here for crunchy chocolate. Also really depends on what season for Canada definitely can get toasty.

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      I know i’m not the only one prefering chocolate refrigerated (and some variants frozen). Not the creamy type for me.

      Lindt with nuts is way crunchier in the freezer.

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        I keep Reese’s peanut butter cup minis in the freezer when family sends them (not for sale in Japan currently). My wife likes Alfort which are chocolate + biscuit cookies and turned me on to putting those in the freezer. Somehow, it’s much better that way; I didn’t expect the biscuit to be changed or, if so, certainly not better, but it is.

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    Mine refuse to refrigerate cheese (other than cream-cheese) and butter. Infuriates me as it gets super oily and rancid real fast.

    • @[email protected]
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      One of my wife’s friends got persistently sick last year. She just could not get better. Sometimes she’d be fine for a week or two, but then she’d get sick again. Eventually it came down to her needing to document everything she did each day - and they discovered she was getting sick from warm butter.

      Turns out her mom had come over at some point and saw that she refrigerated butter and said “you don’t need to do that, it’s so much easier to use when warm and it doesn’t go bad.” Yeah, that’s the case if you eat a stick of butter in a few short days. But you can’t leave it out for more than that or it starts getting filled with all sorts of germs.

      • @[email protected]
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        Was it unsalted butter? Salted butter can be left out for a while, certainly more than a few days without concern, but unsalted needs to be refrigerated.

      • Lev_Astov
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        For the last few years, I’ve been using butter I leave out in a covered butter dish on the counter since I learned that’s fine. It’s always been a stick of salted butter which I typically finish within 2-3 weeks and that’s never caused any problems. I wonder if it being unsalted would really change things that much…

    • @[email protected]
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      I’ve been made fun of for thinking butter tastes/feels off after sitting out on the counter, but it absolutely does. If you want soft butter, take it out like an hour before or soften it with heat and whip it back into a homogeneous mixture. I usually cut a pad and melt it on top of whatever I’m making before spreading it. Anything but leaving it on the counter to go bad…

      Cheese is a weird one though. Definitely refrigerate cheese.

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        They claim cheese needs to “breathe” and apparently that is indeed a thing for some French cheese, but not have it sit unrefrigerated for a few days 😒

      • @[email protected]
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        310 months ago

        Someone tried to convince me to get a heated butter knife. I think I’m seeing their point on it

      • @[email protected]
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        110 months ago

        My SO is a counter butter er. I’ve told her it’s grow but she won’t listen. She gets her own butter now.

      • Clay_pidgin
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        We got a butter bell, which is the best of both worlds. Room temperature butter kept airtight. Lasts 10-14 days, I’d estimate.

        • @[email protected]
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          I always thought it was OK to leave salted butter out. Been doing it for years never had a problem I can remember. I also don’t eat tons of butter so would guess I’ve left it out longer than two weeks

          • @[email protected]
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            Today’s salted butter doesn’t have enough salt in it to preserve itself like that.

            Back in like Oregon Trail days they would pack butter in enough salt to preserve it for travel, and people got used to the taste (hence why they still make the two types) but today’s butter is just not salty enough.

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              Interesting thanks for the info. Like I said I haven’t had any issues so far, but now I think ill pay attention to how long it takes me to go through a stick of butter

          • @[email protected]
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            I also did that for years, with 5 people in the house we went through softened butter fast.

            Then as kids grew up and moved out, I realized it was taking WAY longer to go through. I gave up and leave it in the fridge now. Then again, going through it much slower means that I’m buying much nicer quality butter 😁.

          • tiredofsametab
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            It will eventually go rancid. More oxygen getting to it and more heat will speed that up.

        • @[email protected]
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          This is the first I’ve heard of a butter bell. I’ve been leaving salted butter out for years, but I bought a glass food storage container with a snap on lid that is basically the exact size of a stick of butter. I suppose it’s accomplishing almost the same thing, although a tiny amount of air does get inside especially as the stick is eaten.

  • @[email protected]
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    If I don’t put my bread in the fridge, it’s moldy within a week. It’s all meant to be toasted anyway.

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      Clean your cupboards. Mold spores can remain on surfaces for months. Give everything a good wipe-down with some cleaning spray or vinegar solution and then leave the cabinets open to dry out well. And do it again anytime food gets moldy.

      Packaged bread should last more than a week, but fresh bread is meant to be eaten within a few days, if not the same day.

      • @[email protected]
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        I used to live in a desert and bread easily lasted for weeks. Once I moved to what is essentially a rain forest, it doesn’t last more than 5 days. I have to refrigerate it.

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          Yes, you’re right about the humidity being the biggest factor, and that will also make bread go stale. It also depends on whether it’s prepackaged bread or freshly baked. Prepackaged bread is less likely to arrive with mold spores, and the packaging keeps humidity out during transit and storage. Once it is opened to the humidity, especially in tropical climates, refrigeration will slow any growth.

          For people in arid climates, their refrigerator might actually be more humid than their cupboards.

      • @[email protected]
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        910 months ago

        Greatly depends on your country. Dutch bread is very fresh when bought with little to no preservatives. So we freeze our bread, like 90%of us, cuz it will mold in the fridge after like 4 or 5 days if not sooner.

      • @[email protected]
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        I’m guessing you don’t live somewhere with high heat & humidity, or if you do you run your AC a lot. We keep bread on the counter and in the fridge but not all bread is equally resistant to mold, even some packaged bread. In the winter it’s a lot more forgiving. Also we just open the windows and run fans quite a bit in the summer.

  • @[email protected]
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    Mine didn’t refrigerate bread when I was growing up, but I do now. There are less people in the house so the bread stays around longer.

    • @[email protected]OP
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      My suggestion would be to freeze half a loaf and pull it out when needed. Bread thaws quite well and it doesn’t get stale that way.

      • @[email protected]
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        But not moldy, which is dangerous as opposed to inconvenient.

        Can always throw the bread in the microwave for 10-15 seconds to give it some life anyways.

      • @[email protected]
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        I would rather have a sandwich with slightly sub par bread than wasting food and money because I have to keep throwing out 1/2 loaves because they molded before I ate them.

      • @[email protected]
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        It goes stale faster, but molds slower. If it molds before you can use it, then staleness isn’t the issue.

      • Sabata
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        I don’t eat it fast enough to not get mold.

      • @[email protected]
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        410 months ago

        That hasn’t been true in my experience. If anything leaving it out on the counter makes it get stale (and worse, moldy) much faster, whereas i can leave a loaf in the fridge for a month or two and it will be perfectly fine.

    • Ms. ArmoredThirteen
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      I didn’t used to refrigerate bread but living in Seattle bread here can mold in like 2 days. It all lives in the fridge now to give it a fighting chance

  • @[email protected]
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    I basically just go by whether or not it was refrigerated in the supermarket. However, once it’s opened I mostly throw everything in there except for dry stuff.

    • @[email protected]
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      2010 months ago

      Good general rule. Only exception I can think of is there are a few fruits they’ll refrigerate in the back and then often display at room temp, since a few hours at room temp doesn’t hurt them much. Apples, oranges, stuff like that.

      • @[email protected]
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        You don’t need to refrigerate apples and oranges? Just leave them in the counter for easy snacking.

      • @[email protected]
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        110 months ago

        lol what supermarket is moving apples and oranges in and out of the refrigerator every day for display purposes?

        • @[email protected]
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          It’s pretty common actually. There is a large walk-in cooler in the back where perishable backstock is stored. When new apples are needed, a big box is fetched from the cooler and the apples are restocked in the display.

          Most of the stuff is kept in the back cooler, only things left out are those harmed by refrigeration like tomatoes or those that don’t go bad for a long time.

          With apples it extends their life by quite a long time though. Probably over double.

    • @[email protected]
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      810 months ago

      products with any sort of packaging also say how they should be stores pre and post-opening, e.g. canned goods are generally fine to keep in a cupboard until opened where they then need to be in the fridge.

    • @[email protected]
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      410 months ago

      There are a lot of things sold unrefrigersted that need to refrigerated after opening. Like every jar of spaghetti sauce I’ve ever bought.

  • Uriel238 [all pronouns]
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    Bread outside the fridge spoils fast. Bread in the fridge lasts longer but is less fluffy. In this household we refrigerate our bread and then toast it lightly if we’re going to eat it straight. Most of the sandwiches I make are toasted anyway.

  • @[email protected]
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    Living in the tropics, it’s rather common to refrigerate bread, else you run the risk of mould overnight.

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    I’ve lived on my own for a while and I freeze everything I can. Nothing lasts long enough unless it’s frozen or shelf safe.

    This does mean I get a lot of my fruits in smoothie form.

    I’m lucky most vegan things last longer than the non-vegan things I grew up with.

      • @[email protected]
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        I just now for the first realize that my food waste has gone to almost 0 since i’m vegan.

      • volvoxvsmarla
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        I’m so confused right now. We aren’t completely vegan but we mostly cook vegan at home. But like, that’s the majority of the stuff that goes bad? All the fresh vegetables and fruit? Vegan spreads, milks and yogurts go bad just as fast as dairy ones. I have the feeling oat milk goes bad faster than homogenized cow milk. Eggs never go bad. I hardly remember ever tossing a piece of meat or fish, but hell whenever I have to buy a 2 kg sack of carrots because it is just so much cheaper than 700g of carrots and 1/2 of it goes bad (and it’s still cheaper) or I buy a perfect bell pepper just to open it to find mold or that brown stuff in avocado or I buy organic lemons and they are 2/3 moldy the next day I can’t even… I have a special storage thing for potatoes and they still go bad occasionally. Yesterday garlic from the store was half rotten. Or when you didn’t notice a tomato got a hit in your bag and that injury proceeds to mold… Or when your kid tossed the apples on the floor and they all develop bruises faster than you can eat them all and they just aren’t that tasty anymore… We are trying our best to go to the store for fresh stuff daily but I feel like it is still a fight against nature.

        So for real, what are you guys talking about? Absolutely no offense, I am genuinely curious why our experiences differ so vastly.

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          I dunno why exactly. It’s just my experience.

          Maybe it’s because plant cells have cell walls, making them more rugged?

          My veggies have always lasted the same amount of time, but things like tofu and milk last forever.

          Plant milk last sooo long compared to cows milk.

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        510 months ago

        You can dry-age beef for up to 4 months. Some people go even longer. Of course, you could also can it like fruits and vegetables, but I’ve never been a fan.

        Then there’s mastodon meat dug out of the tundra that dogs would still eat…

    • @[email protected]
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      710 months ago

      Fruits from warm climates on the other hand, take cold damage and go bad sooner in 4°C.

    • @[email protected]
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      4610 months ago

      non refrigerated ketchup always tastes funky unless it’s the kind that’s packed with a large enough buttload of preservatives that they no longer have to put “refrigerate after opening” on the bottle.

        • pacoboyd
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          810 months ago

          Resutrants are going though it at a much quicker pace than your bottle at home.

        • @[email protected]
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          410 months ago

          Some might put them in the fridge when they close or even have many extra so that they can be rotated in and out. But, given the frequent state of ice machines in restaurants, it wouldn’t surprise me if the way condiments are handled is less than ideal.

          Though, on the other hand, if it’s not resulting in a bunch of cases of food poisoning, maybe it serves as immune system training that just gives you an ick feeling when you realize what’s been going on this whole time.

          Many places use those individually sealed packets, too. Ketchup bottles usually say “refrigerate after opening”, so those things are probably fine, other than maybe plastic content.

    • @[email protected]
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      Personally, I refrigerate anything that says Refrigerate after opening. Even if it’s preceded by For best results. Ketchup falls into that category.

      • @[email protected]
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        810 months ago

        There’s two very distinct brands of white people: The “I like boiled meats because browning it makes it too spicy” brand, and the “if it’s not making me cry and shit bloody fire, it’s too bland” brand. There is no in between.

      • @[email protected]
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        510 months ago

        FWIW Mexicans don’t know what spicy is, either. They think Tapatío is spicy.

        source: I’m half Mexican.

    • Buelldozer
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      I like the temperature contrast between cold ketchup and hot food so mine is in the fridge.

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      The best before date is based on it being refrigerated and the reason why we do it is to slow bacteria multiplication to a crawl

    • @[email protected]
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      210 months ago

      Growing up, our ketchup came in plastic bottles with that little aluminum seal between the nozzle and the bottle. Our rule was it stayed in the pantry until the seal came off, then it went in the fridge.

      To your roommate’s credit, we are “my brother got sunburns in winter” white.

      • pancakes
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        I’ll fight you on this. Gatekeeper anything by saying it should or shouldn’t be used by a demographic will limit the amount of positive interactions you’ll have in your life.

        • @[email protected]
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          Oh no, does that mean that people who enjoy diabetes tomato juice don’t like me? That’s terrible.

          • @[email protected]
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            210 months ago

            My dude, this is one the strangest hill I have ever seen someone defend with such animosity.

      • @[email protected]
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        410 months ago

        Ketchup is pretty meh to me and my opinion is that, for the most part, anything you put ketchup on is just going to taste like ketchup. So my rule of thumb is that if its dry as fuck or tastes worse that ketchup, add ketchup. Otherwise don’t cause it’s just going to make it taste worse.

        Gatekeeping is dumb though, but I appreciate your desire for a pointless argument.

      • @[email protected]
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        310 months ago

        It has its uses but they are rare. Hamburgers and fries is really about it. Maybe chicken nuggets. I don’t even bother keeping any in the house it’s so rare I use it.

          • @[email protected]
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            210 months ago

            Ok I forgot about meatloaf. We can add that to the list. That puts us at what, like four things?

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    I have an slightly odd one that I do myself: Carrots in a water filled container (in the fridge). That way they last really long and you don’t get that limpy half-dried version after a while that is hard to remove the peel off. They basically stay as if fresh from the store or garden.

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    Refrigerating bread slows down mold growth…

    This increasing the shelf life.

    You don’t have to refrigerate bread. But you can with clear reason.

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      That’s because in America we’re so concerned about contaminants on shells that we clean all the protection off the outside, making the shells porous enough for bacteria to get through. Store-bought eggs in the US so have to be refrigerated.

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      This is because of a difference in food safety standards. When eggs are laid, they’re covered in something called bloom. It’s a slimy coating which the chicken produces. It’s full of good bacteria, and it protects the eggs and prevents them from spoiling. So Europeans buy eggs with the bloom on them, and don’t need to refrigerate their eggs.

      But in America, the Food and Drug Administration has strict regulations regarding animal poop near food. Namely, you can’t have animal poop near your food. Full stop, with very few exceptions. And since chickens poop out of the same hole they lay eggs from, part of the bloom is, in fact, chicken poop. So eggs in America have to be washed, to remove that chicken poop before they can be sold. But this also removes the bloom, meaning the eggs are unprotected and need to be refrigerated.

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        Bloom it up! Local farm stands have a good bet of being unwashed eggs. Can’t say I blame the FDA on this, given the awful state of dairy and chicken farms that we get these eggs from…

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          It’s dry by the time it reaches you, but is still protecting the eggs by filling in all the pores in the eggshell. Basically, eggs in america have porous shells, which means they spoil faster in the open air.

    • @[email protected]
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      it’s perfectly standard to keep eggs in the fridge here in sweden, no reason not to since it just makes them last forever.

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          210 months ago

          Longer! In Scotland, mostly cool, mine sit on the counter for a couple of months at a time.

          I spin them to check if they’re still okay. You spin them on the counter, briefly place a finger to stop them and release. If the yolk is still fluid the egg will start to spin again, and they’re good to use. If the inners have congealed they stop dead, and go in the bin.

    • @[email protected]OP
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      I don’t eat eggs but my spouse does store them on the counter. Fresh farm eggs don’t need refrigerators.

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        Eggs that have been washed (i.e. had the cuticle remove) should generally be stored in the fridge or used very quickly. Eggs in either case shouldn’t generally be moved from refrigerated storage to the counter unless they’re going to be used very quickly because the condensation can do bad things.

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      I was told that they last the longest if kept out of the fridge the first week or so and afterwards you should put them in a fridge. And for some reason if they are already refrigerated they need to stay refrigerated no matter how old. No idea if there is a scientific basis to it, but it sounds at least plausible that there is.

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        And for some reason if they are already refrigerated they need to stay refrigerated no matter how old.

        It has to do with washing. Eggs, fresh from a chicken’s poophole, have a protective layer around them that allows you to store them at room temperature. If you wash them though, the protective layer disappears and the egg shell becomes porous, and as a result you need to refrigerate them. If you buy eggs that are already refrigerated, they are likely refrigerated because they have been washed, so you should keep them refrigerated as well.

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      310 months ago

      I am American but I buy my eggs from a local farm, where they do not do more than a light wash with water. No fridge for those.

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    I refrigerate bread. It’s much better and more effective than a bread box. My parents did not refrigerate bread because they live in a different part of the country where it would not mold over as quickly.