• eco_game@discuss.tchncs.de
    5·
    2 years ago

    I was pretty neutral towards Ubuntu, up until an automatic system update removed my deb Firefox and replaced it with the snap version, even though I specifically set the apt repo to a higher priority.

    The entire reason I left Windows is because I don’t want (for example) Edge shoved down my throat after every update, and yet Ubuntu has gone and done the exact same thing with snaps.

    After literal hours of fighting, the only solution I found was to fully disable automatic updates. With Pop OS I have all the benefits of Ubuntu, but I also get a company (System76) that does cool stuff and doesn’t try shoving snaps down my throat.

  • starbrite@lemmy.zipEnglish
    4·
    2 years ago

    I’d love ubuntu, my only real problem with it is it’s owned by a company and not community backed

        • illectrility@sh.itjust.works
          0·
          2 years ago

          Technically, yeah. However, Pop isn’t their product, their hardware is.

          They do their absolute best to create great software like coreboot and Pop and keep it all truly open source. They also innovate the space with things like COSMIC DE (which imo is phenomenal already, even in its early alpha state).

          They only offer software support and help for customers of their hardware but that seems reasonable to me. The community is big and helpful so it makes sense for S76 to refer non-customers there.

          I’ve been using Pop as a daily driver for more than 3 years now and a few months ago, I started to think about switching. Until recently, it was stuck on 22.04 with no clear indicator as to when 24.04 would be released. I decide that I was gonna wait for October and if i still felt that way, I was gonna switch. As of today, I haven’t switched and since the first alpha release of COSMIC and the recent alpha release of Pop 24.04, I’ve never even thought about it.

          24.04 is fast, stable and works incredibly well with COSMIC. COSMIC is insane for productivity and has fixed almost all UX gripes I’ve ever had with GNOME and KDE. It’s truly amazing and a must-try imo.

          • lengau@midwest.social
            1·
            2 years ago

            Personally I have no issues with a corporate backed distro. My point is that if someone doesn’t want a corporate owned distro, PopOS doesn’t fit the bill.

            • illectrility@sh.itjust.works
              1·
              2 years ago

              Well, yeah. If your requirement is “no corporate”, then Pop doesn’t fit. However, if you don’t want to use Ubuntu because it’s a product of Canonical, I would still go ahead and recommend Pop, since it’s A) not by Canonical and B) a wholly different kind of corporate backing

    • tsugu@slrpnk.netOP
      2·
      2 years ago

      Lmao. As if corporate operating systems were bad. What makes RedHat that much better tho? I want to know. From what I’ve seen they are both bringing a lot of value to the FOSS space.

      • Delilah (She/Her)@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        31·
        2 years ago
        • Fedora makes very minimal changes to downstream. The gnome experience on fedora is the experience the devs intended, for better or worse.
        • It often experiments with new technologies. It was the first to ship pulseaudio out of box. And then again for pipewire. And if it wasn’t the first to install wayland by default, it probably was the first to stop shipping XOrg out of box.
        • It doesn’t install snaps instead of native packages when you run rpm install
        • It’s also Linus Torvald’s distro of choice if that’s worth anything
        • tsugu@slrpnk.netOP
          21·
          2 years ago

          • In my humble opinion, the stock experience on Gnome sucks. No desktop icons, no dock, no minimize maximize buttons, no app indicators. I only use Gnome because of the changes Ubuntu made to it, which can be replicated on other distros with a script.

          • That’s valid. Ubuntu has shipped with wayland by default since some time ago but wasn’t the first one. They don’t seem to adopt the latest technology as fast. Which I like. Even the new LTS still gives you the option to use X.org in GDM.

          • Also true. If you don’t like Snaps and aren’t comfortable with more and more packages being replaced by them, Ubuntu isn’t the distro to use. I don’t mind the metapackages installing snaps instead at all honestly. The terminal clearly says it’s installing a snap. And from my experience they work great. I was recently using wsl and needed yt-dlp. I went for the snap right away and it worked great.

          In fact the only broken snaps I have encountered so far are OBS and curl (which can’t access root directories, making it useless for the script I needed)

    • tsugu@slrpnk.netOP
      1·
      2 years ago

      By doing what exactly? Snap’s server being proprietary doesn’t affect anyone at all, what else?

      • AVincentInSpace@pawb.socialEnglish
        21·
        2 years ago

        If apt-get detects that a package you told it to install is also available as a snap it’ll silently install that instead and you have to edit the Linux equivalent of the registry to get it to not do that

        • tsugu@slrpnk.netOP
          3·
          2 years ago

          Not entirely true. I experienced it with curl. Snap of it exists and it mostly works. But apt install curl will install regular curl. From what I’ve seen on my Ubuntu it installs a snap only if the apt package is set to install a snap. Such as Firefox. It doesn’t exist in Ubuntu’s repo anymore, only as a metapackage.

  • drosophila@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    2·
    2 years ago

    I learned better in 2012 when they tried to put an Amazon search bar in their start menu, the same thing people are complaining about with windows today.

    If I wanted to use corposhit I would have stayed with windows.

  • chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world
    2·
    2 years ago

    I don’t get why anybody uses Ubuntu. Just use Debian. It’s basically more stable and functional Ubuntu, but without snaps and you don’t need an entire distro branch for different DEs.

    • Rolling Resistance@lemmy.world
      0·
      2 years ago

      Because it’s a popular distro. Because when you look for “how to X in linux”, there’s a 90% chance the response will be about Ubuntu. Because your workplace said so. The list goes on.

    • tsugu@slrpnk.netOP
      0·
      2 years ago

      It’s sad because it’s a genuinely good distro. Linux wouldn’t be anywhere without it yet all I hear is people parroting the same misinformation they heard.

      • prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works
        1·
        2 years ago

        Linux wouldn’t be anywhere without is an incredibly shortsighted statement given that redhat has been the defacto standard in the enterprise and for (US) govt purposes

  • soloner@lemmy.world
    0·
    2 years ago

    I can’t tell if this in-fighting on Linux flavors is in good humor or just snobby opinions.

    • tsugu@slrpnk.netOP
      0·
      2 years ago

      I think it’s just elitism. The worst example is Chris Titus making a video where he explains why you shouldn’t use Ubuntu. And then proceeds to make video explaining how it’s not actually that bad and he uses it with a different DE.

      But now 300K people saw that Ubuntu bad for stupid reasons, from a “reputable” source.

      • caseyweederman@lemmy.ca
        0·
        2 years ago

        I’ve been using it for many years and I have no idea who Chris Titus is.
        There’s no reason to use Ubuntu over Debian, especially since Bookworm included non-free firmware in installation media by default.

        • tsugu@slrpnk.netOP
          0·
          2 years ago

          I think you’re far too gone if you genuinely believe there’s no need for Ubuntu.

          Ubuntu has its own kernel, they have a security team making patches specifically for Ubuntu, there’s a tool that detects any drivers your device needs and downloads them for you, and their GNOME implementation is the best I’ve seen. I also like the new software centre in 24.04, displaying both apt and snap packages when you search for them, really fast.

          And yes I know, you will tell me that you can replicate all of this on Debian. And you can replicate basically everything Debian can do on RHEL. So there’s no need for Debian. Ans there’s no need for RHEL since…

          If there really was no point in using Ubuntu, people wouldn’t use it. And yes this applies to Windows as well. Users aren’t braindead idiots. If there is a much better alternative that suits their needs they will use that instead.

          Edit: Also free 10 year support for non-commercial use.

          • caseyweederman@lemmy.ca
            0·
            2 years ago

            Debian has its own kernel, and security team, in fact as Ubuntu is downstream of Debian they get the full benefit of Debian’s security patches (yes Canonical maintains their own kernel, but the vast majority of other packages are pulled from Debian’s repositories), fwupd isn’t unique to Ubuntu, KDE has been combining update managers into Discover for ages, not everybody likes Gnome.
            You’re saying “replicate” like these are all things Ubuntu did first and everyone else is copying them. That’s ignorant at best and disingenuous at worst.

  • idefix@sh.itjust.works
    0·
    2 years ago

    I’m a very happy Manjaro user and have been for more than 5 years.

    Let’s just say it doesn’t seem to be a popular opinion around here!

    • RGB@lemmy.today
      0·
      2 years ago

      I’ve been curious as to what makes Manjaro better than something like EndeavourOS or just straight up Arch?

      • idefix@sh.itjust.works
        1·
        2 years ago

        I’m too old to say that one distribution is better than another one. The selling points : I have no admin at all to do, and no trouble for 5+ years, although I’m pretty sure I would have had the same results with Arch or Endeavour. I like their default configuration for KDE plasma, and I like their software update workflow. If you’re happy with your distribution, keep it 😁

  • kekmacska@lemmy.zipEnglish
    11·
    2 years ago

    it uses snap (less packages and security than flatpak), app.armor (less secure than Selinux), has a history of anti-privacy integrations (like sending user keystrokes to amazon), still collects some user data. Tumbleweed is better. Great kde implementation, strong security, a lot of cutting-edge software, stability, beginner-friendly

    • agelord@lemmy.world
      1·
      2 years ago

      sending user keystrokes to Amazon

      That’s a very serious allegation to make without citing any source.

      Still collects some user data

      Someone has already pointed out, no data is collected unless the user opts in. But, my question is what’s wrong with collecting anonyomized telemetry about most used hardware and most used/unused software features? It helps developers make better decisions.

      • kekmacska@lemmy.zipEnglish
        1·
        2 years ago

        when i want to aid development with writing down my hardware, i should be able to send them, not they should collect it from me.

        • agelord@lemmy.world
          1·
          2 years ago

          Most distros let you either opt-in or opt-out of it though. It’s really not as big of a deal as people make it out to be. Besides, the “general” population switching to Linux doesn’t really care about anonymized telemetry.

          Discouraging people to not use a certain distro due to its optional and anonymized telemetry, is foolish.

          • kekmacska@lemmy.zipEnglish
            1·
            2 years ago

            idk but i’d switch to linux for absolutely zero telemetry, or as little as physically possible, while still maintaining a good gaming experience. That’s the reason i’m planning to buy an amd build, not nvidia, i don’t want propertiary drivers even

    • tsugu@slrpnk.netOP
      1·
      2 years ago

      False (except for less packages, that’s true), false, the amazon incident was a honest mistake and only applied to the search bar in unity (even more specifically the amazon lense), and no data is being collected unless you enable it during the install. https://youtu.be/rdPt8WB1lZw

      Also are you serious? A rolling release distro with automated package builds being more secure? Last time I checked Tumbleweed got affected by the XZ exploit.