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Instead of leaving Xitter, they left Mastodon. Proton’s trend is not inspiring confidence and this feels like another step backwards.
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Looks like I’m leaving Proton. Fucking hell, not even a year ago I migrated from Gmail
SAME! I only just finished getting all my servers and custom domain set up, and I already have to look for a new provider.
If someone has any recommendations for a good hosted email, VPN and online storage provider let us know. It seems there’s not many good options left.
Me too. Same predicament. I was a paid user of Proton.
Just got moved over to paid Tuta, and it seemed to go smoothly.
Learn your lesson and switch to a custom domain :) that way you will never have to change all your services’ email addresses anymore, when you want to switch mail provider.
Yeah, this is gonna be my next move I think. I was using Proton VPN for a while and just recently started migrating my emails there, then they started doing all of this.
I wanted to self host my email anyway, but now I have no excuse. I’ve been burned by the last team I expected it to come from, I’ll be self-reliant now
How costly is a domain? Also how does one set it up, do you need a DNS server?
Most (if not all) domain providers also host DNS for you. After you buy your domain, you’ll need to go to the DNS settings and put some records given by your email provider (records are just made of a “type” such as A, MX, CNAME, TXT, a “domain” and the “content”).
A .com domain usually costs between 10 and 20 dollars per year. I think it’s worth it! There are many domain registrar you can choose from.
I personally like Porkbun, it’s cheap and it works great. In the past I used to like the French service Gandi, but it’s been recently acquired by a VC and now it’s gone to the pooper.
It’s as if with each passing day, Proton wakes up and chooses to wear a slightly different red flag for a cape than the one they wore yesterday. I’m obviously being hyperbolic here, but I’m also a bit upset with myself for having decided to get an annual subscription with them last November.
I’ve heard good things about Mullvad for VPN and Tuta for mail. I’ve got my own domain that I can start using with whatever mail host I land on.
I’m in the U.S. What other mail providers are people using, and what other VPN providers should I be considering?
If you ever want to torrent, some service that allows port forwarding, like AirVPN or PureVPN. A popular alternative of mullvad does not allow this.
You keep posting this and I haven’t been using port forwarding at all but torrents keep coming through. What am I missing here? Serious question, because I do not know what I’m either doing wrong or missing out on with port forwarding and I have not been experiencing what I would call a degraded experience as far as I can tell, but there’s a whole world of things that I’m entirely ignorant to.
A connection has to be established. That is only possible if one side has an open port.
So you can basically not connect to other people with closed ports, which reduces your available pool of people to connect to.
As long as there are enough people with open ports for you, you and the torrent ecosystem will be fine. But when nobody or very few people have open ports, torrenting simply doesn’t work.
Thanks, this is a little difficult to parse while I’m looking at my seeds uploading at ratios well over 1.00 but just the same I’m running a new VPN tunnel with port forwarding enabled to see what difference it makes.
Plex works for the people I share with outside my network. No port forwarding. I just don’t get what I am not getting, and every explainer I get is basically what you posted (no offense) and it doesn’t match what my experience is showing me.
Here is it illustrated by multiple examples:
- Situation: You are the only one seeding a torrent, with ports closed
- Another person with ports closed wants to get the torrent. They will never be able to get it since you two can’t establish a connection.
- Another person with an open port wants to get the torrent. Eventually, after some delay, your client connects to the tracker and gets a list of people who want to get the torrent (leechers). You get the IP and port of the person who wants to get the torrent, you connect to them, you start uploading to them.
- Situation: You are the only one seeding a torrent, but have ports open
- No matter if a leecher has ports closed or open, they get your IP+Port from the tracker, connect to you, and you upload to them
The situation with more clients is more nuanced, but essentially the same:
- Situation: There are 5 seeders with open ports seeding a torrent
- Everything works perfectly all the time
- Situation: There are 5 seeders with closed ports seeding a torrent
- For a leecher with open port, everything works perfectly
- For a leecher with closed port, they will never get the torrent ever
- Situation: There are 5 seeders seeding a torrent. 4 have their ports closed, 1 has it open.
- 10 leechers with ports closed want to get the torrent. The only one that can upload to them is the 1 seeder with port open, the other 4 seeders are useless.
- 10 leechers with ports open want to get the torrent. All 5 seeders seed their torrent equally and everything works perfectly.
- 5 leechers with ports closed and 5 leechers with ports open want to get the torrent.
- The 5 leechers with ports closed are only serviced by the 1 seeder with port open
- The 5 leechers with port open get the torrent from all 5 seeders.
- The 1 seeder with open port seeds to every leecher, the protocol doesn’t discriminate. So in a perfectly equal world, the 1 seeder with port open seeds to all 10 leechers, so each leecher gets 1/10th of their upload speed.
- The 4 seeders with closed port only seed to the 5 leechers with open port, giving each of them 1/5th of their upload speed.
- This means that, if you add this all up, the 5 leechers with closed ports get 1/10th (1 seeder times 1/10th) of one seeders’ full upload speed, while the leechers with open ports get 9/10ths (1 seeder times 1/10th and 4 seeders times 2/10ths) of one seeders’ full upload speed.
as you can see, the people with open ports have a massive speed advantage in this example, literally getting 9 times the upload speed available in the network. But essentially, torrenting still works as long as some people have open ports, just everyone with closed ports is at a severe disadvantage.
Now there are a couple more issues with closed ports (like DHT/pex not working) but they all boil down to the same problem: the ones with closed ports can only get stuff from people with open ports. Thus they are at a massive disadvantage and get reduced speeds or in contrived situations with few seeders even nothing.
- Situation: You are the only one seeding a torrent, with ports closed
One shitty CEO can destroy a company the same way one shitty president can destroy a country.
Guess I made the right choice to leave Proton.
Looks like Tuta’s getting my business now.
Unfortunately, they lock you in. If they decide the AfD is their best friend, you can’t get the emails out of their system because they don’t have an email export function…
Email export is available in their desktop client
That explains why I never saw it 😐 I don’t understand why they would only add it in the web client. It’s just their website running in electron.
what’s this “email export” function doing here then?
Come on, do you really think going to a mail provider located in a country with an intelligence agreement with the US, and with a prominent far-right political party that got the most votes in the recent election could possibly be a bad idea?
The CDU is right-wing but not far-right and they won the election by a significant margin.
In Switzerland, the SVP has received the most votes every single election since 1999, is further right than the German CDU and shares nearly all positions with the AfD.
In particular, it wants to stop the influence of the justice system on politics and make every foreigner requesting citizenship dependent on receiving the popular vote in a referendum. Also, unlike the CDU, it opposes gay marriage.
On Mastodon, Proton is held to a higher standard. That’s why they left for the dumb masses instead.
They didn’t even post about this decision! What a shame!
I suggest voting on the following Proton’s UserVoice idea I have just created. This may be the only way of getting their attention.
“limited resources” wtf? just copy and paste the content. I guess they didn’t like the backslash on Mastodon because of the CEO and Trump bootlicker Andy Yen
This is even more ridiculous given they have a bluesky account and all they need to do is follow the bridge and their content will be ported to mastodon. Literally 5 seconds.
Oh yeah that’s prob it. On Reddit they can delete any negative comments
Same on Bluesky actually. They can hide comments they don’t like in response to their posts.
Welp. Guess I’m never using that bluesky account I created to pad their growth metrics.
Yeah not even copy paste, this has been easily automatable for years.
especially as it’s not even their own body they don’t have enough to deal with.
I was an apologist for Proton during the whole Andy Yen commentary mess, but this is a really sus choice for Proton to be making.
All that matters under capitalism is growth. I wonder if the thinking here is that Proton has already captured all the geek/privacy enthusiast crowd that it’s going to, and Andy Yen’s social fuck-up basically killed any future expansion in that space, so this is part of a pivot to new markets and abandonment of areas they know they aren’t going to win back.
If so, I’d expect to see Proton making expanded ad buys targeting preppers, libertarians, sov-cit types and other “I’m being watched!!” kooks.
Funny how they didn’t make actual post on Mastodon, but just silently edited their profile to say they left Mastodon? That’s pretty cowardly.
Yet another reason to not like Proton.
Makes me glad that I procrastinated on switching over, I guess I’ll just ride out my current NordVPN subscription and switch over to Mullvad?
Almost makes me afraid to ask the community, what exactly is wrong with Nord? 😅
They’ve done other things, but the reason I don’t use Nord is that they had a breach where an attacker had physical access to one of their servers, and they tried to sweep it under the rug rather than notify users.
Fair cop; I guess there’s always risks in renting space in a data centre (physical intrusion), and that response definitely isn’t the best.
Not enough for me to be a deal breaker currently, but will definitely switch when my plan expires.
Yeah, I don’t blame Nord themselves for the breach, but not notifying users was bad
Unless you never want to torrent, I would say to not use mullvad, you can’t forward a port with them (same with NordVPN). There are plenty of VPNs that don’t log and allow port forwarding. I use AirVPN.
I’ve not encountered any issues filling up my NAS with torrented Linux ISOs via NordVPN?
My priority for a VPN has just been no logging and the ability to ‘travel’ internationally… so if there the case, no need to rush out and switch then?
https://lemm.ee/post/56692320/18526252
A connection has to be established. That is only possible if one side has an open port.
So you can basically not connect to other people with closed ports, which reduces your available pool of people to connect to.
As long as there are enough people with open ports for you, you and the torrent ecosystem will be fine. But when nobody or very few people have open ports, torrenting simply doesn’t work.
I’ve been giving them the benefit of the doubt, but I’m kinda done with them. Anyone have any suggestions for a mail provider? I’m not yet willing to self-host that.
If all you need is mail, Tuta.
It’s sad, I really like their UI
If you’re afraid of self-hosting, https://mailcow.email/ is pretty great and easy to setup for that if you want to go to this adventure, else, Tuta would be their main competitor but I don’t really like their UI
I’ve been using Tuta Mail for over 5 years.
Posteo
Posteo unfortunately doesn’t support custom domains.
Yes, for a reason. You have to register with a name and an address to obtain/buy a custom domain at a third party. Your identity could be traced back via this. This is against their very strict and consistent ‘zero knowledge’ policy.
Hmm I don’t agree. You can always sign up using a foreign mail provider with a domain privacy service.
Could you break this down in how that works?
- I register a domain using a service in a country outside of the EU (since Posteo is German).
- I also apply a “privacy protection” service, which means my data won’t be visible in the public whois (the domain will be officially registered by the privacy service that I use).
- I sign up to Posteo and configure my third-party domain.
This means Posteo doesn’t know anything about me, and even if the police raids Posteo they can’t find who I am.
Of course they could, in theory, find out who I am, but that means going to the provider that I used to sign up for my domain, which may be on the other side of the planet outside of German police jurisdiction.
Thanks 🙏, but what you describe is a theoretical option, right? Posteo doesn’t offer to integrate such a custom domain afaik - but please correct me if I’m wrong! Do you use Posteo with a custom domain?
I’ve been happy with mailbox.org. I left proton after the boot licking. I had been a paying customer for years.
But are they on Mastodon? This is a very important factor for my purchasing decision.
The have their own single-user instance.
Ugh, I use proton for VPN and email. Any suggestions for decent VPN at this point?
AirVPN is great, allows port forwarding, 5 devices, and they run very good black Friday specials every year if you decide to buy it after trialling.
At least they are still on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/proton.me
But a true fediverse presence would be better
Bluesky is not much better than X despite it claiming to
Bluesky is WAY better than Twitter. It’s still vulnerable to the same issues Twitter is, but someplace with no nazis is always going to be better than someplace with nazis.
It’s… better in the sense that you don’t have right wing weirdos all over the place. But technically? Organizationally? Feels like we’re on track to replay the same exact shit over again. It feels like people just aren’t learning the lessons they should from the Twitter takeover.
Bluesky can be taken over by a billionaire. The fediverse cannot. Bluesky is just another Musk waiting to happen.
