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Who would have thought it was the yanks drinking the fascist koolaid this time around.
There was a Nazi rally at Madison Square Gardens. The US is very nationalistic (How many countries force their children to pledge alliance to the flag daily?) and that can easily become a problem.
The US is very nationalistic (How many countries force their children to pledge alliance to the flag daily
The usa doesn’t force the children… You do understand that right? There’s actually been a very high profile case over it
Legally, schools and teachers can’t force a student to perform the pledge of allegiance. But it’s also taught so early in school that most students don’t even question it as something to do.
Anectdotally: I was regularly performing the pledge of allegiance (literally said every morning of school) since kindergarten in the US. Also anecdotally: I’ve literally seen a teacher scold student(s) for not performing the pledge of allegiance. The latter case may not be as common; but the former definitely is common in the US.
Ok, you see how that’s not forcing though. A teacher is not the literal country
You’re being pedantic. The original point is referring to how indoctrinating the pledge of allegiance can be. If you’re being made to do something since you’re a very young kid and risk being scolded when you don’t do it: you’re essentially being forced.
Pedantic? It’s pedantic to call someone out on a lie? Bulllllshit. I was a kid. There was no issue when I didn’t do it.
No, it is not “essentially being forced”.
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The fact that there was a high profile case might indicate that it’s not as trivially optional as you make it seem.
…the fact that there was a successful case proves that it is in fact optional.
Not necessarily. It does prove that it legally should be optional.
Legally it’s not required, socially it basically is, and there’s real costs to going against that.
So, you’re technically right, maybe. It’s still not normal for a democracy.
There isn’t real costs. It’s not socially basically required.
Either way, socially forced is not the country itself forcing it.
So many stories Americans have written on here and Reddit contradict that.
Either way, socially forced is not the country itself forcing it.
Okay, sure. So what?
You do realize that the bad is amplified on social media, right?
Okay, sure. So what?
So the statement given was false. And state forcing is completely different from social pressure in ethical terms.
I do, and I’ve adjusted for that. I know Americans and I know how they are about their nationalism.
You do understand that right?
They probably don’t. Same type of person that brings up Flint MI even though they’ve addressed the issue
You do realize fixing the water supply doesn’t address the health issues caused from lead exposure automatically, Right? The water supply may be better comparatively. But the issues that it causes in Flint, Michigan are far from resolved.
Nobody should be surprised. The Nazi’s ideas of eugenics were born in America. In 1939 the second-largest Nazi party was in America. A lot of Americans at the time thought we should be fighting for the other side.
I think this is one of those “disappointed but not surprised” situations for many of us.
I’m an American, but given the last decade, that’s precisely how I feel. Infuriating to watch my country sleepwalk into fascism.
And Israel doing the genocide.
The link in the article to Rheinmetall’s history page is particularly interesting. They tell it straight like it was.
Volkswagen is much less upfront about it. Lotta talk about the fun “people’s car” but not the slave labor making Nazi vehicles.
They make no secret out of that, where things get dicey is the role of the Porsche/Piëch clan which ate itself back into the company. That’s also where the “close German factories” drive is coming from, they want their dividends so they don’t have to sell stock to cover some credit or the other.
As a German defence company, we feel a special responsibility to contribute to the culture of remembrance and commemoration in the context of the Second World War. We have thoroughly examined and documented our role and our transgressions during the Nazi era.
German philosopher Hans-Georg Moeller: Guilt Pride: A German Vanity Project Conquering the World
Well, that’s only fair. They get to be on in the Allies this time around. We (the US) are going to have to work with … wait, Italy already dumped us. So, Japan? Can we bring back Imperial Japan for our side?
Thought it was going to be Russia?
US + Russia Vs China Vs EU
Australia meanwhile has to choose their alliance based on Economic ties (China), Military ties (US) or Ideological ties (EU).
Yep, that’s my guess for Cold War II as well.
Canada is tilting hard towards the EU right now, and there’s arguments circulating that we could actually directly join despite the geographics of the country. I have no idea if that will come close to working out, but I do hope the Pacific democracies will join us in sphering with them.
History never repeats, but it rhymes.
The denizens of Muskyland will be pointing and shouting about Nazi’s if VW plants start making armaments.
Electric tanks? Hybrids maybe?
